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Old 09-04-2012, 10:44 AM
Jack Fromm
 
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I forgot to mention one other symptom. Alt-F4 doesn't work. Since I
can't access the drop-down menus of an application, I try to close
them with Alt-F4. That doesn't work. Ctrl-Q or Ctrl-W does work.



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Subject:
Re: [xubuntu-users] Misaligned Windows in the Interface


Date:
Tue, 04 Sep 2012 06:34:46 -0400


From:
Jack Fromm <jjfrv8@gmail.com>


To:
xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com







I thought it was just me. I developed the same problem the other night.
I've been on 12.04 since May and it worked fine until then. In addition
to the problems John describes, applications open on my secondary
monitor and I can't move them. Not only that, but they don't show an
icon on the panel like an open app should. Finally, when I go into
Settings Manager, both Window Manager and Window Manager Tweaks are
completely blank when I open them.

I can't remember if I ran any updates just before it happened or not. I
do remember that my machine did not shut down gracefully after a session
and things were wacky after that.

Jack

On 09/04/2012 06:24 AM, John Deakin wrote:
> I have just move to Xubuntu from Unity to use the simpler interface.
> Initially all went well but recently the user interface has pushed the
> windows up to the top of the screen so that the title bar is not
> accessible. I have tried Alt+Space and M to move the windows down but
> this does not work. When the menu is dropped using the cursor I cannot
> select any item as the menu disappears as I move the cursor down it so I
> am completely unable to move the windows down.
>
> I have had to revert to Unity but would like to use Xubuntu if possible.
> Any ideas please?
>




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Old 09-07-2012, 05:07 AM
Mike Kupfer
 
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Jack Fromm wrote:

> I forgot to mention one other symptom. Alt-F4 doesn't work.
[...]
> I thought it was just me. I developed the same problem the other night.
> I've been on 12.04 since May and it worked fine until then. In addition
> to the problems John describes, applications open on my secondary
> monitor and I can't move them. Not only that, but they don't show an
> icon on the panel like an open app should. Finally, when I go into
> Settings Manager, both Window Manager and Window Manager Tweaks are
> completely blank when I open them.

Jack, in your case, it sounds to me like the Xfce window manager (xfwm4)
is not running for some reason.

If you can get a terminal window, see if "pgrep xfwm4" prints anything.
If it does not, try running "xfwm4 &" and see if that fixes things.

I don't recognize the symptoms that John Deakin reported, but it
wouldn't hurt for him to try these steps, too.

If manually starting xfwm4 fixes things for you, make sure you save your
session so that you have xfwm4 the next time you log in.

mike

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Old 09-07-2012, 08:41 AM
John Deakin
 
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Mike,

I think I have sorted my problem out but thanks for the tip. I think my
problem was caused by trying to run two instances of Thunderbird at
start-up. Once I stopped this happening all seems to be well but I will
wait a day or two to ensure this.

John

On 07/09/12 06:07, Mike Kupfer wrote:
> Jack Fromm wrote:
>
>> I forgot to mention one other symptom. Alt-F4 doesn't work.
> [...]
>> I thought it was just me. I developed the same problem the other night.
>> I've been on 12.04 since May and it worked fine until then. In addition
>> to the problems John describes, applications open on my secondary
>> monitor and I can't move them. Not only that, but they don't show an
>> icon on the panel like an open app should. Finally, when I go into
>> Settings Manager, both Window Manager and Window Manager Tweaks are
>> completely blank when I open them.
>
> Jack, in your case, it sounds to me like the Xfce window manager (xfwm4)
> is not running for some reason.
>
> If you can get a terminal window, see if "pgrep xfwm4" prints anything.
> If it does not, try running "xfwm4 &" and see if that fixes things.
>
> I don't recognize the symptoms that John Deakin reported, but it
> wouldn't hurt for him to try these steps, too.
>
> If manually starting xfwm4 fixes things for you, make sure you save your
> session so that you have xfwm4 the next time you log in.
>
> mike
>

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Old 09-07-2012, 11:04 AM
Jack Fromm
 
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On 09/07/2012 01:07 AM, Mike Kupfer wrote:

Jack Fromm wrote:


I forgot to mention one other symptom. Alt-F4 doesn't work.

[...]

I thought it was just me. I developed the same problem the other night.
I've been on 12.04 since May and it worked fine until then. In addition
to the problems John describes, applications open on my secondary
monitor and I can't move them. Not only that, but they don't show an
icon on the panel like an open app should. Finally, when I go into
Settings Manager, both Window Manager and Window Manager Tweaks are
completely blank when I open them.

Jack, in your case, it sounds to me like the Xfce window manager (xfwm4)
is not running for some reason.

If you can get a terminal window, see if "pgrep xfwm4" prints anything.
If it does not, try running "xfwm4 &" and see if that fixes things.

I don't recognize the symptoms that John Deakin reported, but it
wouldn't hurt for him to try these steps, too.

If manually starting xfwm4 fixes things for you, make sure you save your
session so that you have xfwm4 the next time you log in.

mike


Mike,

Thanks very much for the suggestions. I would have liked to try them out
just so I could have nailed down the cause of the issue. Unfortunately,
I have resolved it but I still am not sure what the root cause was. I
don't think it was as simple as John's. It lasted over several days and
nothing I did fixed it so I decided to bite the bullet and do a bare
metal restore from a two-week old backup. Things were okay after the
restore (although I did have to redo all my panel customizations).
Then I ran the 70+ updates that had happened in those two weeks. That
brought the problem back. I did another restore from backup and this
time I ran the updates in two passes --- all the minor ones first, then
the seven related to a kernel upgrade. When things were still okay
after the reboot, I re-did my panel tweaks. Been okay since.


If it happens again, I will be sure to try your suggestions.

Thanks again,
Jack

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Old 09-09-2012, 01:22 PM
John Deakin
 
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On 07/09/12 06:07, Mike Kupfer wrote:
> Jack Fromm wrote:
>
>> I forgot to mention one other symptom. Alt-F4 doesn't work.
> [...]
>> I thought it was just me. I developed the same problem the other night.
>> I've been on 12.04 since May and it worked fine until then. In addition
>> to the problems John describes, applications open on my secondary
>> monitor and I can't move them. Not only that, but they don't show an
>> icon on the panel like an open app should. Finally, when I go into
>> Settings Manager, both Window Manager and Window Manager Tweaks are
>> completely blank when I open them.
>
> Jack, in your case, it sounds to me like the Xfce window manager (xfwm4)
> is not running for some reason.
>
> If you can get a terminal window, see if "pgrep xfwm4" prints anything.
> If it does not, try running "xfwm4 &" and see if that fixes things.
>
> I don't recognize the symptoms that John Deakin reported, but it
> wouldn't hurt for him to try these steps, too.
>
> If manually starting xfwm4 fixes things for you, make sure you save your
> session so that you have xfwm4 the next time you log in.
>
> mike

My problem returned so I followed Mike's advice and got no return.
Having tried running "xfwm4 &" all was well again. Can you tell me how I
might have lost xfwm4 to start with?

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Old 09-09-2012, 04:54 PM
Robert Clark
 
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Hello John and Mike,
Somehow you managed to send your email to me, Mike. You might want to check it out.
Bob from Panama

On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 8:22 AM, John Deakin <john@humanaspects.co.uk> wrote:

On 07/09/12 06:07, Mike Kupfer wrote:

> Jack Fromm wrote:

>

>> I forgot to mention one other symptom. Alt-F4 doesn't work.

> [...]

>> I thought it was just me. I developed the same problem the other night.

>> I've been on 12.04 since May and it worked fine until then. In addition

>> to the problems John describes, applications open on my secondary

>> monitor and I can't move them. Not only that, but they don't show an

>> icon on the panel like an open app should. Finally, when I go into

>> Settings Manager, both Window Manager and Window Manager Tweaks are

>> completely blank when I open them.

>

> Jack, in your case, it sounds to me like the Xfce window manager (xfwm4)

> is not running for some reason.

>

> If you can get a terminal window, see if "pgrep xfwm4" prints anything.

> If it does not, try running "xfwm4 &" and see if that fixes things.

>

> I don't recognize the symptoms that John Deakin reported, but it

> wouldn't hurt for him to try these steps, too.

>

> If manually starting xfwm4 fixes things for you, make sure you save your

> session so that you have xfwm4 the next time you log in.

>

> mike



My problem returned so I followed Mike's advice and got no return.

Having tried running "xfwm4 &" all was well again. Can you tell me how I

might have lost xfwm4 to start with?



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