Xubuntu LTS proposal
So, as discussed around UDS time, we need to make an official request
for Xubuntu to be labeled as an LTS release. Here are what I think we can sanely commit to: 3 yr LTS Milestone image testing i386/amd64 (including point release updates post release) Best effort High/Critical bug fixes Best effort security fixes for Xfce related packages This would be made easier if Xubuntu Precise would be aligned with Debian for their Wheezy release with the same base Xfce version. With a proposed March 2012 release date for 4.10, it's possible that Debian could move to that release before their freeze during the summer. Comments? Thanks, Micah -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel |
Xubuntu LTS proposal
On 12/07/2011 05:27 AM, Micah Gersten wrote:
> So, as discussed around UDS time, we need to make an official request > for Xubuntu to be labeled as an LTS release. > Here are what I think we can sanely commit to: > > 3 yr LTS > Milestone image testing i386/amd64 (including point release updates post > release) > Best effort High/Critical bug fixes > Best effort security fixes for Xfce related packages > > This would be made easier if Xubuntu Precise would be aligned with > Debian for their Wheezy release with the same base Xfce version. With a > proposed March 2012 release date for 4.10, it's possible that Debian > could move to that release before their freeze during the summer. > > Comments? > > Thanks, > Micah > > I forgot the link to the wiki page describing this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedDerivatives Thanks, Micah -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel |
Xubuntu LTS proposal
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Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 05:27:08 -0600 Micah Gersten <micahg@ubuntu.com> wrote: > So, as discussed around UDS time, we need to make an official request > for Xubuntu to be labeled as an LTS release. > Here are what I think we can sanely commit to: > > 3 yr LTS > Milestone image testing i386/amd64 (including point release updates post > release) > Best effort High/Critical bug fixes > Best effort security fixes for Xfce related packages > > This would be made easier if Xubuntu Precise would be aligned with > Debian for their Wheezy release with the same base Xfce version. With a > proposed March 2012 release date for 4.10, it's possible that Debian > could move to that release before their freeze during the summer. > > Comments? > > Thanks, > Micah > > I agree completely with this proprosal. Having official LTS status allows Xubuntu to have the updated images, which saves users a great deal of bandwidth. It also allows those using the Long Term Support release to receive updates throughout the release lifetime. - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJO33CLAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbA77IH/3p24Nim/IYhzmHIkJwYmKYx 4b8OPEkaSIsdDUTTmj8L1/FMxdl6adOfyY2v39X+pYq2HmWkyV8M4KZjEgqZQ+L1 NtzxThTKHsC+SjNG9w38Sn/0obvxVAUiEoOmz6oz7AlGM1rS/AmuY5NXnEdK4DJM EgdFQmvBz96Oiso3Qx4P3YNBNDJYzhbXTGxVjFaU6yVKxZEGXv Iwn+JrGu7KsXt6 PTd5uVDXYiKSPfsllj4X5S5BhJmdgb4Z7xzWD46zFrbQX8DIn2 baUAM26YlMOYUh nszht+A9Jn9HGc5t22IZeb/Yt3j6IiKyBUPDqJOOcWl4L0vVuTLUUdKCxJCU7XU= =+Tnd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel |
Xubuntu LTS proposal
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:27 AM, Micah Gersten <micahg@ubuntu.com> wrote:
> So, as discussed around UDS time, we need to make an official request > for Xubuntu to be labeled as an LTS release. > Here are what I think we can sanely commit to: > > 3 yr LTS Since Ubuntu is switching to 5 year LTS Desktop, are the derivatives required to as well to be considered LTS? Or can we have a 3 year LTS? -- Elizabeth Krumbach // Lyz // pleia2 http://www.princessleia.com -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel |
Xubuntu LTS proposal
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Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 7 Dec 2011 12:26:40 -0800 Elizabeth Krumbach <lyz@ubuntu.com> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:27 AM, Micah Gersten <micahg@ubuntu.com> wrote: > > So, as discussed around UDS time, we need to make an official request > > for Xubuntu to be labeled as an LTS release. > > Here are what I think we can sanely commit to: > > > > 3 yr LTS > > Since Ubuntu is switching to 5 year LTS Desktop, are the derivatives > required to as well to be considered LTS? Or can we have a 3 year LTS? > Per the spec written at UDS and referenced by Micah, we can have 3 year or 5 year LTS. It is a decision made by the Project Lead when applying for LTS status. - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJO387bAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbApMsH/A0eZBQdGpuNmjDQovZ9Fhte OU4KBAg1L23auS9nvy2JnnaE3JIy50F2uLbvZDlh4xWp6bWE4P GCVWd2koHSJk84 5FzIh+5UTfWNIKCP0yA/flWx8uIKJK60MR01pkX0zmhHx8cXAJ2ViWLXFpucRqz0 AvpI14+ixmKLbtwa6Q6M15eAsh7vYDa5S/msjqtExhLcuu5MNl8ZD97NayGzZjs5 mnsvScsepX7m0hUDcbUcOcedQqSHnWEFJ7/UeYvFqFzHwczVX4rWdNwCU+gCIpl3 tdAfgkeaSj2UHW62T0WLKQFRUE4gJGGRRlDfLBq3xewtlcxgrA jNOKcmMt4SBzE= =YQKQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel |
Xubuntu LTS proposal
I'm not sure how LTS are defined with Canonical/Ubuntu, but as far as I know will Lubuntu (the youngest addition in the flavor rack) will not have a LTS. Simply because of lacking manpower.
With metta, Chris On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 21:38, Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com> wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 7 Dec 2011 12:26:40 -0800 Elizabeth Krumbach <lyz@ubuntu.com> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:27 AM, Micah Gersten <micahg@ubuntu.com> wrote: > > So, as discussed around UDS time, we need to make an official request > > for Xubuntu to be labeled as an LTS release. > > Here are what I think we can sanely commit to: > > > > 3 yr LTS > > Since Ubuntu is switching to 5 year LTS Desktop, are the derivatives > required to as well to be considered LTS? Or can we have a 3 year LTS? > Per the spec written at UDS and referenced by Micah, we can have 3 year or 5 year LTS. It is a decision made by the Project Lead when applying for LTS status. - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 * * * * *[http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. * * * * * [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJO387bAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbApMsH/A0eZBQdGpuNmjDQovZ9Fhte OU4KBAg1L23auS9nvy2JnnaE3JIy50F2uLbvZDlh4xWp6bWE4P GCVWd2koHSJk84 5FzIh+5UTfWNIKCP0yA/flWx8uIKJK60MR01pkX0zmhHx8cXAJ2ViWLXFpucRqz0 AvpI14+ixmKLbtwa6Q6M15eAsh7vYDa5S/msjqtExhLcuu5MNl8ZD97NayGzZjs5 mnsvScsepX7m0hUDcbUcOcedQqSHnWEFJ7/UeYvFqFzHwczVX4rWdNwCU+gCIpl3 tdAfgkeaSj2UHW62T0WLKQFRUE4gJGGRRlDfLBq3xewtlcxgrA jNOKcmMt4SBzE= =YQKQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel |
Xubuntu LTS proposal
On 12/07/2011 01:27 PM, Micah Gersten wrote:
So, as discussed around UDS time, we need to make an official request for Xubuntu to be labeled as an LTS release. Here are what I think we can sanely commit to: 3 yr LTS Milestone image testing i386/amd64 (including point release updates post release) Best effort High/Critical bug fixes Best effort security fixes for Xfce related packages This would be made easier if Xubuntu Precise would be aligned with Debian for their Wheezy release with the same base Xfce version. With a proposed March 2012 release date for 4.10, it's possible that Debian could move to that release before their freeze during the summer. Comments? Thanks, Micah This has a wikipage now for archiving purposes, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/LTSCyclePlan Feel free to add your comments to the wiki as well. It will be reviewed on our next community meeting where we will formally vote about using this plan or not. Pasi -- Pasi Lallinaho (knome) � http://open.knome.fi/ Leader of Xubuntu and Shimmer Project � http://shimmerproject.org/ Graphic artist, webdesigner, Ubuntu member � http://xubuntu.org/ -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel |
Xubuntu LTS proposal
Hi,
Thanks for working on this topic. On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 05:27:08AM -0600, Micah Gersten wrote: > So, as discussed around UDS time, we need to make an official request > for Xubuntu to be labeled as an LTS release. > Here are what I think we can sanely commit to: > > 3 yr LTS > Milestone image testing i386/amd64 (including point release updates post > release) That's fine to me, as long as people are able to provide testing for so much time (either milestone image or stable release updates). > Best effort High/Critical bug fixes We already do something like that (I can roughly define our current way as: "Remember to fix important bugs in older releases when we have time and didn't forget about them because someone has used the 'nominate for release' button on Launchpad or because many people are complaining on forums or mailing lists"). I'm not sure that users are happy with it though, i.e. if they feel that there's no support after a release, or that updates take so much time to be distributed that they had to rely on PPAs (and so we've lost testers for stable release updates). > Best effort security fixes for Xfce related packages There have been very few bugs flagged as security issues in Xfce (CVE-2007-3770 and CVE-2011-1588 are the only recent ones I'm aware of -- also the disputed CVE-2009-4996), so I agree we can commit to that sanely. > > This would be made easier if Xubuntu Precise would be aligned with > Debian for their Wheezy release with the same base Xfce version. With a > proposed March 2012 release date for 4.10, it's possible that Debian > could move to that release before their freeze during the summer. > Due to the reduced number of active Xfce developers, their release schedule isn't very reliable… That's why I didn't want to target 4.10 for precise (Debian has 2 or 3 extra months before their freeze). Now if many people here think the opposite, I don't want to prevent them from working on that goal, we can still go for it. That might imply a buggy release though, with bugs fixed by lots of -proposed/-updates uploads shortly after (similar to what is done for other parts of Ubuntu ;-). > Comments? > > Thanks, > Micah > Regards, -- Lionel -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel |
Xubuntu LTS proposal
Hey Lionel,
good to hear your thoughts too. On 12/11/2011 03:10 PM, Lionel Le Folgoc wrote: Hi, Thanks for working on this topic. On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 05:27:08AM -0600, Micah Gersten wrote: So, as discussed around UDS time, we need to make an official request for Xubuntu to be labeled as an LTS release. Here are what I think we can sanely commit to: 3 yr LTS Milestone image testing i386/amd64 (including point release updates post release) That's fine to me, as long as people are able to provide testing for so much time (either milestone image or stable release updates). As the testing team seems to be quite healthy now, I don't see why this wouldn't be possible. Testing team, what are your thoughts? Best effort High/Critical bug fixes We already do something like that (I can roughly define our current way as: "Remember to fix important bugs in older releases when we have time and didn't forget about them because someone has used the 'nominate for release' button on Launchpad or because many people are complaining on forums or mailing lists"). I'm not sure that users are happy with it though, i.e. if they feel that there's no support after a release, or that updates take so much time to be distributed that they had to rely on PPAs (and so we've lost testers for stable release updates). I don't see how they would be unhappy. We have a way to file (important) bugs in older releases, and if people fail to file them correctly or in fair amount of time after they saw the bug, there's not much we can do about the bugs, unless we spot them ourselves. As far as I understand, our bug triaging works very well too, so that shouldn't be the problem. If it's about developers not having enough time, I hope there is more communication - espeacially now as we share Xfce with Ubuntu Studio - they might be able to fix a number of bugs too. Best effort security fixes for Xfce related packages There have been very few bugs flagged as security issues in Xfce (CVE-2007-3770 and CVE-2011-1588 are the only recent ones I'm aware of -- also the disputed CVE-2009-4996), so I agree we can commit to that sanely. This would be made easier if Xubuntu Precise would be aligned with Debian for their Wheezy release with the same base Xfce version. With a proposed March 2012 release date for 4.10, it's possible that Debian could move to that release before their freeze during the summer. Due to the reduced number of active Xfce developers, their release schedule isn't very reliable… That's why I didn't want to target 4.10 for precise (Debian has 2 or 3 extra months before their freeze). Now if many people here think the opposite, I don't want to prevent them from working on that goal, we can still go for it. That might imply a buggy release though, with bugs fixed by lots of -proposed/-updates uploads shortly after (similar to what is done for other parts of Ubuntu ;-). For the 12.04 LTS, I'd want as stable system as possible, even if that meant not pushing 4.10 in, even if it was released (half-baked) on time. Comments? Thanks, Micah Regards, Cheers, Pasi -- Pasi Lallinaho (knome) » http://open.knome.fi/ Leader of Xubuntu and Shimmer Project »�*http://shimmerproject.org/ Graphic artist, webdesigner, Ubuntu member » http://xubuntu.org/ -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel |
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Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:29:40 +0200 Pasi Lallinaho <pasi@shimmerproject.org> wrote: > Hey Lionel, > > good to hear your thoughts too. > > On 12/11/2011 03:10 PM, Lionel Le Folgoc wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Thanks for working on this topic. > > > > On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 05:27:08AM -0600, Micah Gersten wrote: > >> So, as discussed around UDS time, we need to make an official request > >> for Xubuntu to be labeled as an LTS release. > >> Here are what I think we can sanely commit to: > >> > >> 3 yr LTS > >> Milestone image testing i386/amd64 (including point release updates post > >> release) > > That's fine to me, as long as people are able to provide testing for so > > much time (either milestone image or stable release updates). > > As the testing team seems to be quite healthy now, I don't see why this > wouldn't be possible. Testing team, what are your thoughts? Since I do the majority of the milestone testing, I don't see any issues. I already test Ubuntu for the milestones, I can just as easily test Xubuntu instead. > > >> Best effort High/Critical bug fixes > > We already do something like that (I can roughly define our current way > > as: "Remember to fix important bugs in older releases when we have time > > and didn't forget about them because someone has used the 'nominate for > > release' button on Launchpad or because many people are complaining on > > forums or mailing lists"). > > > > I'm not sure that users are happy with it though, i.e. if they feel that > > there's no support after a release, or that updates take so much time to > > be distributed that they had to rely on PPAs (and so we've lost testers > > for stable release updates). > > I don't see how they would be unhappy. We have a way to file (important) > bugs in older releases, and if people fail to file them correctly or in > fair amount of time after they saw the bug, there's not much we can do > about the bugs, unless we spot them ourselves. As far as I understand, > our bug triaging works very well too, so that shouldn't be the problem. > If it's about developers not having enough time, I hope there is more > communication - espeacially now as we share Xfce with Ubuntu Studio - > they might be able to fix a number of bugs too. > > >> Best effort security fixes for Xfce related packages > > There have been very few bugs flagged as security issues in Xfce > > (CVE-2007-3770 and CVE-2011-1588 are the only recent ones I'm aware of > > -- also the disputed CVE-2009-4996), so I agree we can commit to that > > sanely. > > > >> This would be made easier if Xubuntu Precise would be aligned with > >> Debian for their Wheezy release with the same base Xfce version. With a > >> proposed March 2012 release date for 4.10, it's possible that Debian > >> could move to that release before their freeze during the summer. > >> > > Due to the reduced number of active Xfce developers, their release > > schedule isn't very reliable... That's why I didn't want to target 4.10 > > for precise (Debian has 2 or 3 extra months before their freeze). Now if > > many people here think the opposite, I don't want to prevent them from > > working on that goal, we can still go for it. That might imply a buggy > > release though, with bugs fixed by lots of -proposed/-updates uploads > > shortly after (similar to what is done for other parts of Ubuntu ;-). > > For the 12.04 LTS, I'd want as stable system as possible, even if that > meant not pushing 4.10 in, even if it was released (half-baked) on time. > > >> Comments? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Micah > >> > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Cheers, > Pasi > - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJO5gsAAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbAQz4IAJnTIPKE/igXg4jtJaTHGe1N 4m2+rT8b0FPxh1MAkXuuLpcdpTwafeHCjjfVrVrZyZR8Bz/lzcaDK4DcR8sHcNHW 0PcdfOfAzNLSzmIr4rWxqbnCuPk3uLlfuVPS4SLxZ6L8H8CWj2 u/JhkmpRiHX45Q adHaKnVuvMz4QBc8bGMLw4zIbDLTUgNJlMDI3i+yRWQFLS3mQt uwlF/Y3Kt4IO10 otxFjzwpeNilWqGZYGETASHAQ7/jIGkPLMbmmxXCwyZuyendDOWu2d3A8rcRbGsy vclw3lHC1otfyvyVxRt/WRW6Du1evoBJ019gfBc398u6RcIuOjsx0i8iaQyYmJI= =CgEF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel |
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