Hai Charlie (and the rest),
I think something went wrong with your reply so I forwarded to everyone again.@Scott K: I think it's a problem with using a lot of terms side-by-side and mixing things up even. As you can see, the page [1] Ubuntu uses is called Derivatives. However on that same page the officially recognized once are suddenly called "flavor". In my humble opinion it's a more friendly term to use, but we should get some (dare I say it?) "Unity" in our naming scheme. It might have been my mistake, because the information [2] given by Kate apparently also talked about Flavors. But it's important everyone knows what the "correct" term is/should be.
I hope this clears up some of the mess (originally created to ask for help on getting links to the meeting minutes).
With metta, Chris
[1]*http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives
[2]*http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/12/05/%23ubuntu-news.html*starting from 18:15
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From: Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com>
Date: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 15:00
Subject: Re: New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section
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Scott Kitterman <ubuntu@kitterman.com> wrote:
> None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative). *These are other
> distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project. *I think it's
> much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and
> Ubuntu Server.
>
> I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word
> is derivative correct.
>
> Scott K
>
I have heard several times that the word "derivative" is incorrect when
referring to these distributions based on Ubuntu. Why is it incorrect?
According to the definition:
derivative (comparative more derivative, superlative most derivative)
* 1. * Imitative of the work of someone else.
* *2. (law, copyright law) Referring to a work, such as a translation
* *or adaptation, based on another work that may be subject to
* *copyright restrictions.
Perhaps Kubuntu, having been developed alongside of Ubuntu is not a
derivative, but the others are very much "adapted or based on another
work" (Ubuntu). I can not any definition that excludes this adaption
from being a derivative.
Maybe an explanation of why this word is wrong is in order here?
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12-06-2011, 01:37 PM
Chris
Fwd: New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section
Hai Charlie (and the rest),
I think something went wrong with your reply so I forwarded to everyone again.@Scott K: I think it's a problem with using a lot of terms side-by-side and mixing things up even. As you can see, the page [1] Ubuntu uses is called Derivatives. However on that same page the officially recognized once are suddenly called "flavor". In my humble opinion it's a more friendly term to use, but we should get some (dare I say it?) "Unity" in our naming scheme. It might have been my mistake, because the information [2] given by Kate apparently also talked about Flavors. But it's important everyone knows what the "correct" term is/should be.
I hope this clears up some of the mess (originally created to ask for help on getting links to the meeting minutes).
With metta, Chris
[1]*http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives
[2]*http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/12/05/%23ubuntu-news.html*starting from 18:15
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com>
Date: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 15:00
Subject: Re: New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section
To: ubuntu-news <ubuntu-news-team@lists.ubuntu.com>
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On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 00:15:42 -0500
Scott Kitterman <ubuntu@kitterman.com> wrote:
> None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative). *These are other
> distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project. *I think it's
> much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and
> Ubuntu Server.
>
> I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word
> is derivative correct.
>
> Scott K
>
I have heard several times that the word "derivative" is incorrect when
referring to these distributions based on Ubuntu. Why is it incorrect?
According to the definition:
derivative (comparative more derivative, superlative most derivative)
* 1. * Imitative of the work of someone else.
* *2. (law, copyright law) Referring to a work, such as a translation
* *or adaptation, based on another work that may be subject to
* *copyright restrictions.
Perhaps Kubuntu, having been developed alongside of Ubuntu is not a
derivative, but the others are very much "adapted or based on another
work" (Ubuntu). I can not any definition that excludes this adaption
from being a derivative.
Maybe an explanation of why this word is wrong is in order here?
- --
Charlie Kravetz
Linux Registered User Number 425914 * * * * *[http://counter.li.org/]
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12-06-2011, 01:37 PM
Chris
Fwd: New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section
Hai Charlie (and the rest),
I think something went wrong with your reply so I forwarded to everyone again.@Scott K: I think it's a problem with using a lot of terms side-by-side and mixing things up even. As you can see, the page [1] Ubuntu uses is called Derivatives. However on that same page the officially recognized once are suddenly called "flavor". In my humble opinion it's a more friendly term to use, but we should get some (dare I say it?) "Unity" in our naming scheme. It might have been my mistake, because the information [2] given by Kate apparently also talked about Flavors. But it's important everyone knows what the "correct" term is/should be.
I hope this clears up some of the mess (originally created to ask for help on getting links to the meeting minutes).
With metta, Chris
[1]*http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives
[2]*http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/12/05/%23ubuntu-news.html*starting from 18:15
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com>
Date: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 15:00
Subject: Re: New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section
To: ubuntu-news <ubuntu-news-team@lists.ubuntu.com>
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 00:15:42 -0500
Scott Kitterman <ubuntu@kitterman.com> wrote:
> None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative). *These are other
> distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project. *I think it's
> much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and
> Ubuntu Server.
>
> I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word
> is derivative correct.
>
> Scott K
>
I have heard several times that the word "derivative" is incorrect when
referring to these distributions based on Ubuntu. Why is it incorrect?
According to the definition:
derivative (comparative more derivative, superlative most derivative)
* 1. * Imitative of the work of someone else.
* *2. (law, copyright law) Referring to a work, such as a translation
* *or adaptation, based on another work that may be subject to
* *copyright restrictions.
Perhaps Kubuntu, having been developed alongside of Ubuntu is not a
derivative, but the others are very much "adapted or based on another
work" (Ubuntu). I can not any definition that excludes this adaption
from being a derivative.
Maybe an explanation of why this word is wrong is in order here?
- --
Charlie Kravetz
Linux Registered User Number 425914 * * * * *[http://counter.li.org/]
Never let anyone steal your DREAM. * * * * * [http://keepingdreams.com]
Fwd: New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section
