Fwd: New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section
Hai Charlie (and the rest),
I think something went wrong with your reply so I forwarded to everyone again.@Scott K: I think it's a problem with using a lot of terms side-by-side and mixing things up even. As you can see, the page [1] Ubuntu uses is called Derivatives. However on that same page the officially recognized once are suddenly called "flavor". In my humble opinion it's a more friendly term to use, but we should get some (dare I say it?) "Unity" in our naming scheme. It might have been my mistake, because the information [2] given by Kate apparently also talked about Flavors. But it's important everyone knows what the "correct" term is/should be. I hope this clears up some of the mess (originally created to ask for help on getting links to the meeting minutes). With metta, Chris [1]*http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives [2]*http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/12/05/%23ubuntu-news.html*starting from 18:15 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com> Date: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 15:00 Subject: Re: New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section To: ubuntu-news <ubuntu-news-team@lists.ubuntu.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 00:15:42 -0500 Scott Kitterman <ubuntu@kitterman.com> wrote: > None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative). *These are other > distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project. *I think it's > much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and > Ubuntu Server. > > I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word > is derivative correct. > > Scott K > I have heard several times that the word "derivative" is incorrect when referring to these distributions based on Ubuntu. Why is it incorrect? According to the definition: derivative (comparative more derivative, superlative most derivative) * 1. * Imitative of the work of someone else. * *2. (law, copyright law) Referring to a work, such as a translation * *or adaptation, based on another work that may be subject to * *copyright restrictions. Perhaps Kubuntu, having been developed alongside of Ubuntu is not a derivative, but the others are very much "adapted or based on another work" (Ubuntu). I can not any definition that excludes this adaption from being a derivative. Maybe an explanation of why this word is wrong is in order here? - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 * * * * *[http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. * * * * * [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJO3h/sAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbAoQcH/1iu2OOYGolO4yniPNjKm/M0 TC0dBv+/RbKVO1XUxYRP1a88Rd/rpYwfbvDkejwi5XsP4ruLueeAzTvX18WFOKZS mFhNTjqrGC4I060NkwlDtv3C04Nt7SmQlhWsh6rPr+qdft5Dbj Pcj72s6i8QEv/0 AzXNvxGGExuQrr/4o1+D05u7c3joMZI6CyTsHz+JnuUpJ9yfZM3AeXjT17whv9QX EOz/mrR9SXrywJVEZZvzwNSToJtgudvAMC4HB+I2nL2BHmJk9e7VNo ArRJt7E+k7 JeC4tlc0SWUeRh6pQJom2q9htsDiHynZHkmn8m5J/1RBztomYMLtmOVCzCMIkhw= =f0gD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ubuntu-news-team mailing list Ubuntu-news-team@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-news-team -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel |
Fwd: New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section
Hai Charlie (and the rest),
I think something went wrong with your reply so I forwarded to everyone again.@Scott K: I think it's a problem with using a lot of terms side-by-side and mixing things up even. As you can see, the page [1] Ubuntu uses is called Derivatives. However on that same page the officially recognized once are suddenly called "flavor". In my humble opinion it's a more friendly term to use, but we should get some (dare I say it?) "Unity" in our naming scheme. It might have been my mistake, because the information [2] given by Kate apparently also talked about Flavors. But it's important everyone knows what the "correct" term is/should be. I hope this clears up some of the mess (originally created to ask for help on getting links to the meeting minutes). With metta, Chris [1]*http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives [2]*http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/12/05/%23ubuntu-news.html*starting from 18:15 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com> Date: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 15:00 Subject: Re: New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section To: ubuntu-news <ubuntu-news-team@lists.ubuntu.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 00:15:42 -0500 Scott Kitterman <ubuntu@kitterman.com> wrote: > None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative). *These are other > distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project. *I think it's > much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and > Ubuntu Server. > > I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word > is derivative correct. > > Scott K > I have heard several times that the word "derivative" is incorrect when referring to these distributions based on Ubuntu. Why is it incorrect? According to the definition: derivative (comparative more derivative, superlative most derivative) * 1. * Imitative of the work of someone else. * *2. (law, copyright law) Referring to a work, such as a translation * *or adaptation, based on another work that may be subject to * *copyright restrictions. Perhaps Kubuntu, having been developed alongside of Ubuntu is not a derivative, but the others are very much "adapted or based on another work" (Ubuntu). I can not any definition that excludes this adaption from being a derivative. Maybe an explanation of why this word is wrong is in order here? - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 * * * * *[http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. * * * * * [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJO3h/sAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbAoQcH/1iu2OOYGolO4yniPNjKm/M0 TC0dBv+/RbKVO1XUxYRP1a88Rd/rpYwfbvDkejwi5XsP4ruLueeAzTvX18WFOKZS mFhNTjqrGC4I060NkwlDtv3C04Nt7SmQlhWsh6rPr+qdft5Dbj Pcj72s6i8QEv/0 AzXNvxGGExuQrr/4o1+D05u7c3joMZI6CyTsHz+JnuUpJ9yfZM3AeXjT17whv9QX EOz/mrR9SXrywJVEZZvzwNSToJtgudvAMC4HB+I2nL2BHmJk9e7VNo ArRJt7E+k7 JeC4tlc0SWUeRh6pQJom2q9htsDiHynZHkmn8m5J/1RBztomYMLtmOVCzCMIkhw= =f0gD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ubuntu-news-team mailing list Ubuntu-news-team@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-news-team -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel |
Fwd: New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section
Hai Charlie (and the rest),
I think something went wrong with your reply so I forwarded to everyone again.@Scott K: I think it's a problem with using a lot of terms side-by-side and mixing things up even. As you can see, the page [1] Ubuntu uses is called Derivatives. However on that same page the officially recognized once are suddenly called "flavor". In my humble opinion it's a more friendly term to use, but we should get some (dare I say it?) "Unity" in our naming scheme. It might have been my mistake, because the information [2] given by Kate apparently also talked about Flavors. But it's important everyone knows what the "correct" term is/should be. I hope this clears up some of the mess (originally created to ask for help on getting links to the meeting minutes). With metta, Chris [1]*http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives [2]*http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/12/05/%23ubuntu-news.html*starting from 18:15 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com> Date: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 15:00 Subject: Re: New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section To: ubuntu-news <ubuntu-news-team@lists.ubuntu.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 00:15:42 -0500 Scott Kitterman <ubuntu@kitterman.com> wrote: > None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative). *These are other > distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project. *I think it's > much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and > Ubuntu Server. > > I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word > is derivative correct. > > Scott K > I have heard several times that the word "derivative" is incorrect when referring to these distributions based on Ubuntu. Why is it incorrect? According to the definition: derivative (comparative more derivative, superlative most derivative) * 1. * Imitative of the work of someone else. * *2. (law, copyright law) Referring to a work, such as a translation * *or adaptation, based on another work that may be subject to * *copyright restrictions. Perhaps Kubuntu, having been developed alongside of Ubuntu is not a derivative, but the others are very much "adapted or based on another work" (Ubuntu). I can not any definition that excludes this adaption from being a derivative. Maybe an explanation of why this word is wrong is in order here? - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 * * * * *[http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. * * * * * [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJO3h/sAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbAoQcH/1iu2OOYGolO4yniPNjKm/M0 TC0dBv+/RbKVO1XUxYRP1a88Rd/rpYwfbvDkejwi5XsP4ruLueeAzTvX18WFOKZS mFhNTjqrGC4I060NkwlDtv3C04Nt7SmQlhWsh6rPr+qdft5Dbj Pcj72s6i8QEv/0 AzXNvxGGExuQrr/4o1+D05u7c3joMZI6CyTsHz+JnuUpJ9yfZM3AeXjT17whv9QX EOz/mrR9SXrywJVEZZvzwNSToJtgudvAMC4HB+I2nL2BHmJk9e7VNo ArRJt7E+k7 JeC4tlc0SWUeRh6pQJom2q9htsDiHynZHkmn8m5J/1RBztomYMLtmOVCzCMIkhw= =f0gD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ubuntu-news-team mailing list Ubuntu-news-team@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-news-team -- edubuntu-devel mailing list edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel |
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