"Xubuntu is a fast and light operating system alternative. Xubuntu can be run on the latest and greatest hardware as well as extending the lifespan of last generation's hardware that would otherwise be destined for the scrap yard."
Or one for the financial department:"Increase your ROI on hardware purchases by extending their lifetime, without compromising any functionality. Xubuntu has been tested on hardware that is current, and many generations old. Xubuntu has been proven successful in extending hardware refresh cycles by up to 300%"
"Throwing away a computer is like throwing away money. Let Xubuntu save you money! Same functionality no matter what hardware platform you install it on."

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On 2011-10-30, at 4:13 PM, "Pasi Lallinaho" <pasi@shimmerproject.org> wrote:

On 10/30/2011 10:03 PM, Eero Tamminen wrote:
Hi,

On sunnuntai 30 lokakuu 2011, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
On 10/30/2011 01:29 PM, Elizabeth Krumbach wrote:
<xubuntu-devel@beardygnome.co.uk> **wrote:
"It works well on a bit older hardware too." doesn't really read too
well in English. *I'd suggest either "It works well on older hardware
too." or "It works quite well on older hardware too."
Actually, can we get rid of it entirely?

On the old site we worked to remove references to Xubuntu being
optimized to run on older hardware because there are concerns about
how well it actually does out of the box - too many reviews were being
written with "this is supposed to be light-weight, and it's not"
Does this refer to resource (memory, disk) consumption or
CPU consumption (other than paging/swapping when memory
gets lot)?


slants that weren't painting the distro in a great light. I think it
would be good to focus on how great of a multi-purpose distro it is in
general rather than mentioning older hardware and possibly setting
folks up for disappointment, particularly if their definition of
"older" differs from ours.
that's an option too. I don't necessarily want to say "older hardware",
as many people think that it means any computer ever built.

On the other hand, since Xubuntu has gathered this reputation of being
light (whether it was true or false), it would be nice to not just
change the direction suddenly - at least seemingly. *This is why I'd
like to keep it, and also since we are getting light(er) again, compared
to Ubuntu for example.

Any ideas on how to express that Xubuntu works with say 5-year old PC's
too, but probably not with anything really ancient?
"Works also with few years older hardware"
"Doesn't require 3d acceleration"
?

Nowadays it being a more traditional desktop can also be
a selling point as there seem to be quite a fwe people who
aren't too fond of the changes in Gnome3 or KDE4.

I'm not sure if we want to use "traditional" (or "conservative") to that
matter, even if that might be correct. I think many people will think
"old" if one uses these words. Any ideas on other wording?

The current drafted introduction can be seen at http://wp.xubuntu.org/.

Let's not make this an issue too big. Once we've got our latest changes
for the theme and the slideshow plugin in, let's try to go online as
soon as possible, and think of changes to that after releasing.

Pasi

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Hi,

On sunnuntai 30 lokakuu 2011, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
> On 10/30/2011 10:03 PM, Eero Tamminen wrote:
> >> Any ideas on how to express that Xubuntu works with say 5-year old
> >> PC's too, but probably not with anything really ancient?
> >
> > "Works also with few years older hardware"
> > "Doesn't require 3d acceleration"
> > ?
> >
> > Nowadays it being a more traditional desktop can also be
> > a selling point as there seem to be quite a fwe people who
> > aren't too fond of the changes in Gnome3 or KDE4.
>
> I'm not sure if we want to use "traditional" (or "conservative") to that
> matter, even if that might be correct. I think many people will think
> "old" if one uses these words. Any ideas on other wording?

"Familiar". "A modern Linux desktop that hasn't thrown away
what's good in the UI interactions people have gotten used to."

I'm referring here to focus follows mouse, toolbars, menus[1] etc.

[1] For example, although I currently happen to be using KDE4, I hate how
in its applications menu you have to click to view subcategories and click
(or press ESC) to see the previous hiearchy level.


> The current drafted introduction can be seen at http://wp.xubuntu.org/.
>
> Let's not make this an issue too big. Once we've got our latest changes
> for the theme and the slideshow plugin in, let's try to go online as
> soon as possible, and think of changes to that after releasing.

Btw. There's one minor thing which I think really bad on these pages:
* The example images are small and you cannot get full sized
images, even on the feature tour page.

If ones trying to promote a desktop, one should at least offer
possibility to view 1:1 sized desktop screenshots. :-)


Maybe the pages could also explain very shortly how Xubuntu differs
from the other Ubuntu variants. Now there are just references to
Ubuntu, without any explaination what's the relation of that to Xubuntu.

This explanation should be clear enough that people understand how
Xubuntu differs from e.g. Lubuntu. That one seems to be sacraficing
functionality & usability in the application selection in order to keep
more lightweight.

There doesn't seem to be currently a strategy / positioning document
for Xubuntu, but I think that would be a good place for such an explanation.
I don't think it makes sense for Xubuntu to aim as low as Lubuntu does.
User friendliness / usability (including localization etc) is more
important.


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On 10/30/2011 11:45 PM, Eero Tamminen wrote:

Hi,

On sunnuntai 30 lokakuu 2011, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:

On 10/30/2011 10:03 PM, Eero Tamminen wrote:

Any ideas on how to express that Xubuntu works with say 5-year old
PC's too, but probably not with anything really ancient?

"Works also with few years older hardware"
"Doesn't require 3d acceleration"
?

Nowadays it being a more traditional desktop can also be
a selling point as there seem to be quite a fwe people who
aren't too fond of the changes in Gnome3 or KDE4.

I'm not sure if we want to use "traditional" (or "conservative") to that
matter, even if that might be correct. I think many people will think
"old" if one uses these words. Any ideas on other wording?

"Familiar". "A modern Linux desktop that hasn't thrown away
what's good in the UI interactions people have gotten used to."


That's some good stuff, sir! We really have to think about using some of
that




I'm referring here to focus follows mouse, toolbars, menus[1] etc.

[1] For example, although I currently happen to be using KDE4, I hate how
in its applications menu you have to click to view subcategories and click
(or press ESC) to see the previous hiearchy level.



The current drafted introduction can be seen at http://wp.xubuntu.org/.

Let's not make this an issue too big. Once we've got our latest changes
for the theme and the slideshow plugin in, let's try to go online as
soon as possible, and think of changes to that after releasing.

Btw. There's one minor thing which I think really bad on these pages:
* The example images are small and you cannot get full sized
images, even on the feature tour page.

If ones trying to promote a desktop, one should at least offer
possibility to view 1:1 sized desktop screenshots. :-)


I don't know if we want this for the frontpage slideshow, but we should
definitely have a section for full-size screenshots.



Maybe the pages could also explain very shortly how Xubuntu differs
from the other Ubuntu variants. Now there are just references to
Ubuntu, without any explaination what's the relation of that to Xubuntu.

This explanation should be clear enough that people understand how
Xubuntu differs from e.g. Lubuntu. That one seems to be sacraficing
functionality& usability in the application selection in order to keep
more lightweight.


Yes, this should be explained at the About -page, which is linked to
from "Read more about Xubuntu" in the front page, just below the
introduction text.



There doesn't seem to be currently a strategy / positioning document
for Xubuntu, but I think that would be a good place for such an explanation.
I don't think it makes sense for Xubuntu to aim as low as Lubuntu does.
User friendliness / usability (including localization etc) is more
important.



The new introduction text on the frontpage is as close as a
strategy/positioning document as we have now, since the Strategy
Document [2] is not updated to fit the current situation yet.


Pasi

[1] http://wp.xubuntu.org/about/
[2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument

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Hi,

On maanantai 31 lokakuu 2011, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
> > Maybe the pages could also explain very shortly how Xubuntu differs
> > from the other Ubuntu variants. Now there are just references to
> > Ubuntu, without any explaination what's the relation of that to
> > Xubuntu.
> >
> > This explanation should be clear enough that people understand how
> > Xubuntu differs from e.g. Lubuntu. That one seems to be sacraficing
> > functionality& usability in the application selection in order to keep
> > more lightweight.
>
> Yes, this should be explained at the About -page, which is linked to
> from "Read more about Xubuntu" in the front page, just below the
> introduction text.

Current About page seems to be telling what's *same* in all Ubuntu
variants, i.e. what's Ubuntu in general, not what Xubuntu is about.

While it's good to tell that too so that one can differentiate Xbuntu
e.g. from OSX & Windows, that could be for example under "The features &
philosophy derived from the Ubuntu distribution" heading.


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On 10/31/2011 12:28 AM, Eero Tamminen wrote:

Hi,

On maanantai 31 lokakuu 2011, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:

Maybe the pages could also explain very shortly how Xubuntu differs
from the other Ubuntu variants. Now there are just references to
Ubuntu, without any explaination what's the relation of that to
Xubuntu.

This explanation should be clear enough that people understand how
Xubuntu differs from e.g. Lubuntu. That one seems to be sacraficing
functionality& usability in the application selection in order to keep
more lightweight.

Yes, this should be explained at the About -page, which is linked to
from "Read more about Xubuntu" in the front page, just below the
introduction text.

Current About page seems to be telling what's *same* in all Ubuntu
variants, i.e. what's Ubuntu in general, not what Xubuntu is about.

While it's good to tell that too so that one can differentiate Xbuntu
e.g. from OSX& Windows, that could be for example under "The features&
philosophy derived from the Ubuntu distribution" heading.


- Eero

I moved our little todo at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Website/.
Feel free to add subjects that you think should be covered in /about (or
any of the other pages) in the list, and we'll think about those.


Or, you can add a subpage in the wiki, and create a better draft than
what is at our staging site.


Pasi

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