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Old 10-29-2011, 01:41 PM
Pasi Lallinaho
 
Default Fwd: Xfce 4.10 Release Cycle Information

Some information from the Xfce bunkers, too.



-------- Original Message --------



Subject:
Xfce 4.10 Release Cycle Information [delayed]


Date:
Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:33:33 +0200


From:
Nick Schermer <nickschermer@gmail.com>


Reply-To:

Xfce development list <xfce4-dev@xfce.org>


To:
Xfce Dev <xfce4-dev@xfce.org>, Xfce Users
<xfce@xfce.org>, Xfce translations mailing list
<xfce-i18n@xfce.org>, Xfce Goodies
<goodies-dev@xfce.org>







Hey everyone,

Probably not a surprise for everybody, but the release of Xfce 4.10
will be delayed. The initial target was the first 4.10pre1 release
next week, but that is obviously not going to happen.

Many of us have been busy, but there are still important milestones we
want to complete before starting the pre-releases.

For now the schedule is delayed by 2 months. See
http://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.10/roadmap for the full roadmap.

Greetings,
Nick
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Old 10-30-2011, 02:58 AM
Micah Gersten
 
Default Fwd: Xfce 4.10 Release Cycle Information

On 10/29/2011 08:41 AM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:


Some information from the Xfce bunkers, too.



-------- Original Message --------



Subject:

Xfce 4.10 Release Cycle Information [delayed]


Date:
Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:33:33 +0200


From:
Nick Schermer <nickschermer@gmail.com>


Reply-To:


Xfce development list <xfce4-dev@xfce.org>


To:
Xfce Dev <xfce4-dev@xfce.org>,
Xfce Users <xfce@xfce.org>,
Xfce translations mailing list <xfce-i18n@xfce.org>,
Xfce Goodies <goodies-dev@xfce.org>







Hey everyone,

Probably not a surprise for everybody, but the release of Xfce 4.10
will be delayed. The initial target was the first 4.10pre1 release
next week, but that is obviously not going to happen.

Many of us have been busy, but there are still important milestones we
want to complete before starting the pre-releases.

For now the schedule is delayed by 2 months. See
http://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.10/roadmap for the full roadmap.

Greetings,
Nick
_______________________________________________
Xfce4-dev mailing list
Xfce4-dev@xfce.org
https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev




Lionel, I think this means we're sticking with 4.8.x for the LTS,
right?* Planned release is 2012-03-11 and Feature Freeze is Feb 16.*
Maybe we can try to stage 4.10 in a PPA in case they end up
releasing in early March and then make the call?* It'll obviously be
easier to support a later release.* In addition, the 4.10 series was
supposed to be focused more on polish and less on features, so it
should be a safer upgrade as well.* 4.10 released on March 11 would
mean 10 days of coverage in archive before beta 2 freeze.

Thanks,

Micah

Micah



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Old 10-30-2011, 10:20 AM
Pasi Lallinaho
 
Default Fwd: Xfce 4.10 Release Cycle Information

On 10/30/2011 04:58 AM, Micah Gersten wrote:


On 10/29/2011 08:41 AM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:


Some information from the Xfce bunkers, too.



-------- Original Message --------



Subject:


Xfce 4.10 Release Cycle Information [delayed]


Date:

Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:33:33 +0200


From:

Nick Schermer <nickschermer@gmail.com>


Reply-To:



Xfce development list <xfce4-dev@xfce.org>


To:
Xfce Dev <xfce4-dev@xfce.org>,
Xfce Users <xfce@xfce.org>,
Xfce translations mailing list <xfce-i18n@xfce.org>,
Xfce Goodies <goodies-dev@xfce.org>







Hey everyone,

Probably not a surprise for everybody, but the release of Xfce 4.10
will be delayed. The initial target was the first 4.10pre1 release
next week, but that is obviously not going to happen.

Many of us have been busy, but there are still important milestones we
want to complete before starting the pre-releases.

For now the schedule is delayed by 2 months. See
http://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.10/roadmap for the full roadmap.

Greetings,
Nick
_______________________________________________
Xfce4-dev mailing list
Xfce4-dev@xfce.org
https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev




Lionel, I think this means we're sticking with 4.8.x for the LTS,
right?* Planned release is 2012-03-11 and Feature Freeze is Feb
16.* Maybe we can try to stage 4.10 in a PPA in case they end up
releasing in early March and then make the call?* It'll obviously
be easier to support a later release.* In addition, the 4.10
series was supposed to be focused more on polish and less on
features, so it should be a safer upgrade as well.* 4.10 released
on March 11 would mean 10 days of coverage in archive before beta
2 freeze.

Thanks,

Micah

Micah







From the discussion in #xfce-dev I gathered that they will probably
be lagging behind more than what is announced now, so I wouldn't
keep high hopes up just yet.



Pasi

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Old 10-30-2011, 06:02 PM
Lionel Le Folgoc
 
Default Fwd: Xfce 4.10 Release Cycle Information

Hi,

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 01:20:16PM +0200, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
> On 10/30/2011 04:58 AM, Micah Gersten wrote:
> >On 10/29/2011 08:41 AM, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
> >>Some information from the Xfce bunkers, too.
> >>
> >>-------- Original Message --------
> >>Subject: Xfce 4.10 Release Cycle Information [delayed]
> >>Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:33:33 +0200
> >>From: Nick Schermer <nickschermer@gmail.com>
> >>Reply-To: Xfce development list <xfce4-dev@xfce.org>
> >>To: Xfce Dev <xfce4-dev@xfce.org>, Xfce Users <xfce@xfce.org>,
> >>Xfce translations mailing list <xfce-i18n@xfce.org>, Xfce
> >>Goodies <goodies-dev@xfce.org>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Hey everyone,
> >>
> >>Probably not a surprise for everybody, but the release of Xfce 4.10
> >>will be delayed. The initial target was the first 4.10pre1 release
> >>next week, but that is obviously not going to happen.
> >>
> >>Many of us have been busy, but there are still important milestones we
> >>want to complete before starting the pre-releases.
> >>
> >>For now the schedule is delayed by 2 months. See
> >>http://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.10/roadmap for the full roadmap.
> >>
> >>Greetings,
> >>Nick
> >>______________________________________________ _
> >>Xfce4-dev mailing list
> >>Xfce4-dev@xfce.org
> >>https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev
> >>
> >Lionel, I think this means we're sticking with 4.8.x for the LTS,
> >right? Planned release is 2012-03-11 and Feature Freeze is Feb
> >16. Maybe we can try to stage 4.10 in a PPA in case they end up
> >releasing in early March and then make the call? It'll obviously
> >be easier to support a later release. In addition, the 4.10
> >series was supposed to be focused more on polish and less on
> >features, so it should be a safer upgrade as well. 4.10 released
> >on March 11 would mean 10 days of coverage in archive before beta
> >2 freeze.
> >Thanks,
> >Micah
> >Micah
> >
> >
> From the discussion in #xfce-dev I gathered that they will probably
> be lagging behind more than what is announced now, so I wouldn't
> keep high hopes up just yet.
>
> Pasi
>

Yes, I think that the two months delay is a bit optimistic, but who
knows. ;-)

We can put 4.9.x/4.10.x packages in the ~xubuntu-dev ppa, as we did for
lucid and 4.8 (they are still on
<https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ppa>). It worked fine, and
packages got some testing, and a few bug reports were sent upstream.

Even if the 4.10 series was supposed to be focused more on polish, there
are still a few transitions planned that affect several components, e.g.
merge xfsettingsd and xfce4-settings-helper (done in master and 4.9.0),
replace xfdesktop with a new thunar desktop view (not really started),
and rewrite/cleanup sessions/shutdown functions in xfce4-session and
xfce4-power-manager (only drafted, not started either).

Also, the SRU procedure being as heavy as possible for "simple"
packages, if we ship development snapshots of xfce 4.9.x without the
guarantee that a SRU will be granted, we'll probably manage to upset
upstream developers (as we did in the past with svn snapshots of xfce
4.4 in Edgy Eft) and translators… and users, I guess.

Cheers,

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Old 10-30-2011, 08:19 PM
Micah Gersten
 
Default Fwd: Xfce 4.10 Release Cycle Information

On 10/30/2011 03:02 PM, Lionel Le Folgoc wrote:

>

> Also, the SRU procedure being as heavy as possible for
"simple"

> packages, if we ship development snapshots of xfce 4.9.x
without the

> guarantee that a SRU will be granted, we'll probably manage
to upset

> upstream developers (as we did in the past with svn snapshots
of xfce

> 4.4 in Edgy Eft) and translators… and users, I guess.

>

I was only suggesting uploading 4.10.x if it was released and we
were reasonably sure that it would be stable in the LTS.Â* Dev
snapshots don't sound like a good bet as you pointed out.



Thanks,

Micah





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