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Old 07-13-2010, 07:41 AM
Pál Gergő
 
Default Bugs and Improvement ideas for XUbuntu 10.04

Hello Everyone!

XUbuntu is already the best operating system, I think I'll never switch
to anything else. But if we want more average windows users to switch to
(X)Ubuntu, you may want to consider the following ideas.

I use XUbunbu 10.04 as a main desktop operating system, initially it was
a dual-boot with a Vista (later deleted). I didn't read any official
handbooks or manuals, I'm the man of experiences, and many future users
will be like me. Here are the issues I came across.

1. Currently the easiest way to change a partition volume label is with
GParted.
- Gparted should be installed by default
OR
- Mtools mlabel should be improved, to work like e2label , without
hand-editing any config file

2. The xfce widget "Mount devices" lists XUbuntu partition with a scary
UUID, and no name. It should use partition label or "xubuntu" string
instead. (All the other partitions are listed as expected). The user
should be notified that if he/she wants to view UUID, he/she should use
blkid.

3. When I install and boot linux other than HD0,0 , then the Places
application does not list HD0,0 . I think it is because Grub always
calls the booting partition HD0,0 , so when XUbuntu wakes up, it may be
confused. But Gigolo lists it correctly, and I myself was able to write
a 1kb automount shell script, to mount /dev/sd?? -> /mnt/?? .
- The user should be notified about this possible problem, and that the
solution is Gigolo
OR
- Places app should be improved (like I implied, it can't be too difficult)

4. Pulsaudio is incompatible with many widespread applications, notably
Blender. Esound seems to be compatible with anything (even Audacity,
which, according to its developers , is not expected to). Esound should
be the default sound system.

5. XUbuntu should not use UTC time settings by default. If it is
dual-booted with a Windows, it is just a source of misunderstandings. If
XUbuntu is installed alone, then it is totally indifferent, which time
settings it uses. There also should be a GUI way to change it.

6. Setting the default mouse cursor speed multiplier [ex. for a too
sensitive touchpad] AND changing xorg color depth (24 / 16) should be
achieved in a GUI way.

7. There should be a more easy way to change the number of desktops ,
and to create Launcher shortcuts. (ex: right click on the desktop
changer -> Set count ; Right click on a file -> create shortcut)

8. When I install XUbuntu with hungarian default language, it is not
able to locate and use the restricted nVidia GeForce Go 6200 drivers,
System -> Hardware drivers does not list them. I reinstalled in english
and it works again. LANGUAGE PROBLEMS SHOULD NOT CAUSE DRIVER PROBLEMS!

9. If I have some minimized and some normal sized applications , I have
to click "Hide windows and show desktop" button twice to view my desktop
(and obviously it is the function i want to use it in most caces). The
first click pops up all the windows , even minimized ones.

10. Network monitor gadget uses "wlan0" string for wireless network. I
could not find any /dev/wlan0 , so it was strange to me at first. The
users should be notified about that they can get info from Ifconfig.

11. Personal oppinion: xterm should be completely replaced by
xfce4-terminal. It even should have a shorter, more convenient name. I
created a /usr/bin/cmd symlink to xfce4-terminal

12. During installation, the default GRUB2 setting is to put XUbuntu on
HD0 boot sector, no matter where the ext4 partition is. Now think about
that a little bit.
If I have two hard disks, on one windows (hd0) and on one XUbuntu (hd1),
and I install grub into (hd0), then none of the devices are removable
anymore, I will need both to boot any of the two operating system.
- GRUB2 settings should not be hidden under the "Advanced" button
- The default setting should be: Install GRUB2 into HD? whereever the
ubuntu is, and if it is not HD0, warn the user to use Bios Boot Menu.
- GRUB2 should warn the user about every possibilities and detect their
consequences.

13. Total newbie linux users shoud be informed even before the
installation begins, about:
- Why to use EXT4 file system
- what a swap is and what's its recommended size, and that it has to be
created as a separate partition
- how to set up mount points ("/" for file system, "swap" for swap)
- that they can find other partitions in /media/
- what does rwxrwxrwx attribute format mean
- what is a root password for , and also the existence of the SUDO or SU
- commands.
- the existance and usage of Synaptic
- the existence and usage of wine
- the existance and usage of PlayOnLinux (many people think that the
computers are not just for work!)
- that samba is equivalent to windows file sharing and Thunar does not
support It. Use Krusader.
- - to show these informations, there should be a SHORT or step-by-step
or on-screen-actualities guide.

14. About the SWAP: just to be sure, I gave a 5 GB partition to XUbuntu,
so that I never wanted to hear it complain. After installation, I often
check it with the gnome system monitor, and XUbuntu ever since the
installation, did not even touch the swap. I have 1GB ram, and it is
more than enough to XUbuntu. During installation, especially when the
user creates the swap partition, the user should be notified about some
guidelines of the recommended swap settings, and also that an idle
XUbuntu uses about 250 Mb memory.

15. Users should be informed that the lock screen option is actually
done by the xscreensaver daemon, so if they turn off their screen saver
completely, they cannot lock the desktop. Or, the lock screen should
automatically re-enable xscreensaver.

16. The default screen saver should be phosphor with fortune. All the
others are trivial to set up.

17. It would be a nice feature in Synaptic that it had a backup ability
for the downloaded DEB packages also (and this function would be
available through command line too)

18. It would be a nice feature to have a backup function for restricted
drivers too (or being informed that they are usual ordinary DEB packages
if they really are)

19. When I installed music players, my first experiences are: "Damn, no
sound!". Audio and video cocecs are not REQUIRED just recommended.
Synaptic should somehow detect the cocecs/plugins that the program can
use, and ask the user if he/she wants to install those, too. For an
other example: Krusader should come with kdiff3, krename and kompare
installed by default.
- Also, Krusader shoud be offered to be installed by default.

20. The ICEDTEA (or any other firefox - openjava brigde) should be
installed by default. Seriously.

21. When I exit Krusader on a mounted device that is later removed, and
start Krusader like that, Krusader tells me that the devices does not
exist anymore. But it the removed device was on the right panel,
Krusader crashes instead.
Also in Krusader: it would be nice to have an FTP disconnect button,
would be useful on some web servers.
Also: Krusader shoud often check automatically if I later installed any
plugin it can use (kdiff3, krename, kompare)
Also: When I start an exe program through wine in Krusader, it starts
that with ~ as the working directory. I have to first start a command
line in the program directory with F2 button, and use wine in that to
solve this problem.
Also: when opening a file, there are two ways that it is likely to have
been created: THIS operating system or Windows. So the automatic charset
guessing should try these first, before anything else.
Also: when opening a file, it loads the whole conent into memory, even
if the file size is over gigabytes. I recommend to modify the editor to
load only the parts I currently view/edit. Hexa editing also would be a
nice feature (sorry if there is one, I was yet unable to find it)

22. Pidgin uses the ~/.purple directory to store settings and logged
conversation. Why???

23. Samba and smb-fuse should be installed by default.

24. In Application -> Settings -> Xfce4 settings manager -> Sessions and
startup -> Application autostart, I cannot view or edit existing entry
command-lines. Also If I create an own and want to change it later, I
have to delete and re-create. The user who is advanced enough to
navigate here has the right to at least know what are the commands for
the startup items.

25. Klamav, Clamav, Ufw and Gufw should be installed by default, even in
an inactive state, or the user should receive information about their
existance.
Klamav sometimes has trouble with update file-creation so I have to use
command-line freshclam for updates. Newbie users should be warned that
ufw blocks incoming SSH, FTP, SMB and HTTP requests by default, but it
has a built-in rule gui to enable them. And just a question: why would
anyone ever use "block all outgoing" feature?

26. Freepascal Lazarus : Cross compiling should be either
improved/simplified or totally forgotten forever. I found a several tens
of pages guide how to set up cross compiling, which would have been a
whole day of my life. I found a shortcut: I downloaded the
windows-version compiler and used it with Wine. Works perfectly, and in
no time.

27. A very very nice feature would be a completely automatic gui wizard
to create a failsafe "Xubuntu 10.04 bootable ISO on a USB pendrive
stick" for reinstall/backup/ext4 portability opportunities. Mine was
created with using info on www.pendrivelinux.com , and I also use this
pendrive to backup Synaptic marking list and DEB packages.
Also It should contain an EXT2IFS like tool (for windows to mount ext
file systems) just for EXT4.

28. When I click on the white question mark in a blue sphere "Help"
launcher-icon in Xubuntu 10.04 , I get a "Welcome to Xubuntu 9.10"
document in file:///usr/share/xubuntu-docs/about/xubuntu-index.html .

29. The default music player Exaile does not handle mp3-s without
ID2/ID3 tag, they don't appear when I want to search for them by
filename. This is bad, because I have a lot of home made stuff. I use
Audacious, which I recommend to be the default, because it is not less
lightweight than Exaile. [Windows -> Linux switchers will be used to
Winamp, anyway]

30. Same as 29 with Totem and SMplayer : I'm already used to SMplayer,
and I like it because it can play damaged files too, and uses built-in
codecs for everything.

31. tar.gz (the kind Krusader uses by default) has trouble with accent
characters.

+1: Totem, Mousepad and many other linux applications are shy about
their names. I would like to see them in the window title, not just in
Help -> About. It won't scare newbies, they probably will be used to
Windows which does the same. It rather would help them find and start
faster the applications they want.

Anything I didn't enumerated on this list is TOTALLY AWESOME so
congratulations anyway. XUbuntu is the best!
The connection method to the internet is a blessing, I didn't have
trouble installing flash player under firefox, and I usually play nice
windows-games like Titan Quest, Dark Messiah, Metin2 and GTA2. I also
use XUbuntu for developing multimedia , programs and web sites in html,
php, javascript, mysql, freepascal, c++ , matlab-clone scilab, Blender,
Audacity, LMMS, they all work fine.

Regards,
Gregorius
( also available at lordofdance@freemail.hu )

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Old 07-14-2010, 09:42 AM
Vincent
 
Default Bugs and Improvement ideas for XUbuntu 10.04

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Pál Gergő <iwantnobelprice@gmail.com> wrote:


Hello Everyone!



Hi
*
XUbuntu is already the best operating system, I think I'll never switch

to anything else. But if we want more average windows users to switch to

(X)Ubuntu, you may want to consider the following ideas.



Hehe, I always try to be careful when saying "I could use feature x so please add feature x because most users want that". Even when you personally could use something, really doesn't mean that applies to most (or even many) users. In fact, most of the time when people say something like this, it's actually a very specific edge case.



In any case, wow, what a list. As a non-developer, let me try to reply to some things that I do know an answer to.
*


I use XUbunbu 10.04 as a main desktop operating system, initially it was

a dual-boot with a Vista (later deleted). I didn't read any official

handbooks or manuals, I'm the man of experiences, and many future users

will be like me. Here are the issues I came across.



Really, there are people who've worked hard on quality documentation, which can really be a help sometimes
*


1. Currently the easiest way to change a partition volume label is with

GParted.

- Gparted should be installed by default

OR

- Mtools mlabel should be improved, to work like e2label , without

hand-editing any config file


Changing the label of a partition really isn't someone people do every day (or even at all). Having to install Gparted for this is good enough for such an edge case.
*


2. The xfce widget "Mount devices" lists XUbuntu partition with a scary

UUID, and no name. It should use partition label or "xubuntu" string

instead. (All the other partitions are listed as expected). The user

should be notified that if he/she wants to view UUID, he/she should use

blkid.



This is something that should be improved by the Xfce project directly (which is where Xubuntu gets its most important applications and plugins from). You can file a bug (which you can also do to report a suggestion for improvement) at http://bugzilla.xfce.org/ after creating an account.


*
3. When I install and boot linux other than HD0,0 , then the Places

application does not list HD0,0 . I think it is because Grub always

calls the booting partition HD0,0 , so when XUbuntu wakes up, it may be

confused. But Gigolo lists it correctly, and I myself was able to write

a 1kb automount shell script, to mount /dev/sd?? -> /mnt/?? .

- The user should be notified about this possible problem, and that the

solution is Gigolo

OR

- Places app should be improved (like I implied, it can't be too difficult)



Same here: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/
*


4. Pulsaudio is incompatible with many widespread applications, notably

Blender. Esound seems to be compatible with anything (even Audacity,

which, according to its developers , is not expected to). Esound should

be the default sound system.



It used to be ALSA, I'm not sure why it was PulseAudio recently but I believe there was good reason for that.
*


5. XUbuntu should not use UTC time settings by default. If it is

dual-booted with a Windows, it is just a source of misunderstandings. If

XUbuntu is installed alone, then it is totally indifferent, which time

settings it uses. There also should be a GUI way to change it.



6. Setting the default mouse cursor speed multiplier [ex. for a too

sensitive touchpad] AND changing xorg color depth (24 / 16) should be

achieved in a GUI way.



I believe that's already possible. Have you checked the Mouse and Display items, respectively, in Applications->Settings->Settings Manager?
*


7. There should be a more easy way to change the number of desktops ,

and to create Launcher shortcuts. (ex: right click on the desktop

changer -> Set count ; Right click on a file -> create shortcut)



You can also do this in the Settings Manager (under Workspaces I believe), which is easy enough (you don't change the number of desktops that often). You can create launchers in the file manager by selecting a file and going to Edit->Make Link. Not sure if you can also do this for the context menu. The Desktop I believe is being worked on.


*
8. When I install XUbuntu with hungarian default language, it is not

able to locate and use the restricted nVidia GeForce Go 6200 drivers,

System -> Hardware drivers does not list them. I reinstalled in english

and it works again. LANGUAGE PROBLEMS SHOULD NOT CAUSE DRIVER PROBLEMS!



It shouldn't, and probably isn't related to the language but just something that happened during installation. Unfortunate, of course.
*


9. If I have some minimized and some normal sized applications , I have

to click "Hide windows and show desktop" button twice to view my desktop

(and obviously it is the function i want to use it in most caces). The

first click pops up all the windows , even minimized ones.



http://bugzilla.xfce.org/
*


10. Network monitor gadget uses "wlan0" string for wireless network. I

could not find any /dev/wlan0 , so it was strange to me at first. The

users should be notified about that they can get info from Ifconfig.



11. Personal oppinion: xterm should be completely replaced by

xfce4-terminal. It even should have a shorter, more convenient name. I

created a /usr/bin/cmd symlink to xfce4-terminal



Xfce4-terminal *is* the default terminal. The only place where you can still encounter xterm, I believe, is when trying the failsafe session from the login screen.
*


12. During installation, the default GRUB2 setting is to put XUbuntu on

HD0 boot sector, no matter where the ext4 partition is. Now think about

that a little bit.

If I have two hard disks, on one windows (hd0) and on one XUbuntu (hd1),

and I install grub into (hd0), then none of the devices are removable

anymore, I will need both to boot any of the two operating system.

- GRUB2 settings should not be hidden under the "Advanced" button

- The default setting should be: Install GRUB2 into HD? whereever the

ubuntu is, and if it is not HD0, warn the user to use Bios Boot Menu.

- GRUB2 should warn the user about every possibilities and detect their

consequences.



13. Total newbie linux users shoud be informed even before the

installation begins, about:

- Why to use EXT4 file system

- what a swap is and what's its recommended size, and that it has to be

created as a separate partition

- how to set up mount points ("/" for file system, "swap" for swap)

- that they can find other partitions in /media/

- what does rwxrwxrwx attribute format mean

- what is a root password for , and also the existence of the SUDO or SU

- commands.

- the existance and usage of Synaptic

- the existence and usage of wine

- the existance and usage of PlayOnLinux (many people think that the

computers are not just for work!)

- that samba is equivalent to windows file sharing and Thunar does not

support It. Use Krusader.

- - to show these informations, there should be a SHORT or step-by-step

or on-screen-actualities guide.



Most of the things that apply to normal users are present in the documentation. The more advanced things can be learned through the internet or a guide book, but that's really out of scope to confront the bulk of the users with on the desktop.


*
14. About the SWAP: just to be sure, I gave a 5 GB partition to XUbuntu,

so that I never wanted to hear it complain. After installation, I often

check it with the gnome system monitor, and XUbuntu ever since the

installation, did not even touch the swap. I have 1GB ram, and it is

more than enough to XUbuntu. During installation, especially when the

user creates the swap partition, the user should be notified about some

guidelines of the recommended swap settings, and also that an idle

XUbuntu uses about 250 Mb memory.



In the default selections (fill the harddrive with Xubuntu or share the hard drive with another operating system, I believe), this is all handled for the user. When using the advanced partitioning window, you're expected to be advanced and understand what to do with swap


*
15. Users should be informed that the lock screen option is actually

done by the xscreensaver daemon, so if they turn off their screen saver

completely, they cannot lock the desktop. Or, the lock screen should

automatically re-enable xscreensaver.



Is there a place more obvious than xscreensaver to have screen locking capabilities? Basically it's just running the screensaver but not stopping until a password is entered.
*


16. The default screen saver should be phosphor with fortune. All the

others are trivial to set up.



Is this just a screensaver that you like?
*
17. It would be a nice feature in Synaptic that it had a backup ability

for the downloaded DEB packages also (and this function would be

available through command line too)



Most of the packages you install are in /var/cache/apt, IIRC
*


18. It would be a nice feature to have a backup function for restricted

drivers too (or being informed that they are usual ordinary DEB packages

if they really are)



Yes, they are .deb packages as well. The above applies.
*


19. When I installed music players, my first experiences are: "Damn, no

sound!". Audio and video cocecs are not REQUIRED just recommended.

Synaptic should somehow detect the cocecs/plugins that the program can

use, and ask the user if he/she wants to install those, too. For an

other example: Krusader should come with kdiff3, krename and kompare

installed by default.

- Also, Krusader shoud be offered to be installed by default.

Movie Player, for example, does this, and I believe Exaile does it as well. Anyway, the new installer that should come with 10.10 should include the option to install restricted extras during installation. (Though I hope that will install xubuntu-restricted-extras for Xubuntu, not ubuntu-restricted-extras).


*


20. The ICEDTEA (or any other firefox - openjava brigde) should be

installed by default. Seriously.



Why? Isn't Java installed now it's open source?
*


21. When I exit Krusader on a mounted device that is later removed, and

start Krusader like that, Krusader tells me that the devices does not

exist anymore. But it the removed device was on the right panel,

Krusader crashes instead.

Also in Krusader: it would be nice to have an FTP disconnect button,

would be useful on some web servers.

Also: Krusader shoud often check automatically if I later installed any

plugin it can use (kdiff3, krename, kompare)

Also: When I start an exe program through wine in Krusader, it starts

that with ~ as the working directory. I have to first start a command

line in the program directory with F2 button, and use wine in that to

solve this problem.

Also: when opening a file, there are two ways that it is likely to have

been created: THIS operating system or Windows. So the automatic charset

guessing should try these first, before anything else.

Also: when opening a file, it loads the whole conent into memory, even

if the file size is over gigabytes. I recommend to modify the editor to

load only the parts I currently view/edit. Hexa editing also would be a

nice feature (sorry if there is one, I was yet unable to find it)



No idea what Krusader is, but these things should probably be reported to the Krusader project directly.
*


22. Pidgin uses the ~/.purple directory to store settings and logged

conversation. Why???

Probably because the library it uses to connect to the different IM services is called purple. I think other IM clients that also use this library can then re-use these things.



To be sure, you should check with the Pidgin project directly though.
*
23. Samba and smb-fuse should be installed by default.



Can't you already access SMB shares through Gigolo by default?
*


24. In Application -> Settings -> Xfce4 settings manager -> Sessions and

startup -> Application autostart, I cannot view or edit existing entry

command-lines. Also If I create an own and want to change it later, I

have to delete and re-create. The user who is advanced enough to

navigate here has the right to at least know what are the commands for

the startup items.



Known bug, IIRC.
*
25. Klamav, Clamav, Ufw and Gufw should be installed by default, even in

an inactive state, or the user should receive information about their

existance.

Klamav sometimes has trouble with update file-creation so I have to use

command-line freshclam for updates. Newbie users should be warned that

ufw blocks incoming SSH, FTP, SMB and HTTP requests by default, but it

has a built-in rule gui to enable them. And just a question: why would

anyone ever use "block all outgoing" feature?



None of those are actually necessary by default; there are no viruses for Xubuntu that are actually a threat, and there are no open ports by default. The user has information of their existence if he opens Applications->Ubuntu Software Center and searches for "firewall" or "virus scanner".


*
26. Freepascal Lazarus : Cross compiling should be either

improved/simplified or totally forgotten forever. I found a several tens

of pages guide how to set up cross compiling, which would have been a

whole day of my life. I found a shortcut: I downloaded the

windows-version compiler and used it with Wine. Works perfectly, and in

no time.



No idea what Freepascal is but this, too, should probably be reported to the freepascal project directly.
*


27. A very very nice feature would be a completely automatic gui wizard

to create a failsafe "Xubuntu 10.04 bootable ISO on a USB pendrive

stick" for reinstall/backup/ext4 portability opportunities. Mine was

created with using info on www.pendrivelinux.com , and I also use this

pendrive to backup Synaptic marking list and DEB packages.

Also It should contain an EXT2IFS like tool (for windows to mount ext

file systems) just for EXT4.

When running the LiveCD, there is System->Administration->USB Startup Disk Creator. You can also install this afterwards to easily create a bootable USB pendrive, that can also store your settings and installed applications and the like.


*
28. When I click on the white question mark in a blue sphere "Help"

launcher-icon in Xubuntu 10.04 , I get a "Welcome to Xubuntu 9.10"

document in file:///usr/share/xubuntu-docs/about/xubuntu-index.html .



Known bug, IIRC.
*
29. The default music player Exaile does not handle mp3-s without

ID2/ID3 tag, they don't appear when I want to search for them by

filename. This is bad, because I have a lot of home made stuff. I use

Audacious, which I recommend to be the default, because it is not less

lightweight than Exaile. [Windows -> Linux switchers will be used to

Winamp, anyway]



Should be reported to the Exaile project directly.

Do you also have any backup data for the light-weightness of Audacious and the claim that most Windows users will be used to Winamp? I can hardly imagine...



Oh, and light-weightness isn't the only criterium. Integration with the desktop, for example, is another.
*


30. Same as 29 with Totem and SMplayer : I'm already used to SMplayer,

and I like it because it can play damaged files too, and uses built-in

codecs for everything.



Built-in codecs are a no-go because Xubuntu can't ship them by default due to licensing issues of those codecs. And because *you* are used to it doesn't mean it should be shipped by default ;-)


*
31. tar.gz (the kind Krusader uses by default) has trouble with accent

characters.



.tar.gz in general or is this just a probably with Krusader?
*


+1: Totem, Mousepad and many other linux applications are shy about

their names. I would like to see them in the window title, not just in

Help -> About. It won't scare newbies, they probably will be used to

Windows which does the same. It rather would help them find and start

faster the applications they want.



Anything I didn't enumerated on this list is TOTALLY AWESOME so

congratulations anyway. XUbuntu is the best!

The connection method to the internet is a blessing, I didn't have

trouble installing flash player under firefox, and I usually play nice

windows-games like Titan Quest, Dark Messiah, Metin2 and GTA2. I also

use XUbuntu for developing multimedia , programs and web sites in html,

php, _javascript_, mysql, freepascal, c++ , matlab-clone scilab, Blender,

Audacity, LMMS, they all work fine.



Great Hope I've answered a few of your questions.
*


Regards,

Gregorius

( also available at lordofdance@freemail.hu )


Best,
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Old 07-14-2010, 10:26 AM
Pál Gergő
 
Default Bugs and Improvement ideas for XUbuntu 10.04

Hi again.

*

> Really, there are people who've worked hard on quality documentation, which can really be a help sometimes

*

Okay, you're right All document writers , excuse me for my impatience. I only open the documentations when I want to learn something new and I exactly want to know what I want to learn. (If I didn't know alreaty that swap [should] exsists, I wouldn't have created one)



> I believe that's already possible. Have you checked the Mouse and Display items, respectively, in Applications->Settings->Settings Manager?

*

The Settings manager -> Display lets me change the resolution and the refresh rate, even rotation but not color depth.

The mouse settings lets me change acceleation, and acceleration treshold, but not default speed.

*

7. There should be a more easy way to change the number of desktops ,

and to create Launcher shortcuts. (ex: right click on the desktop

changer -> Set count ; Right click on a file -> create shortcut)

*



I found the Launcher creation in the desktop and Thunar. I thought KDE would also show this right-click menu item when I run a kde-based file manager( Krusader), but seems it doesn't. So sorry for this one.

*

> 12-13-14

> Most of the things that apply to normal users are present in the documentation. The more advanced things can be learned through the internet or a guide book, but that's really out of scope to confront the bulk of the users with on the desktop.

*

Okay, you're right. It's me-specific

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> Is there a place more obvious than xscreensaver to have screen locking capabilities? Basically it's just running the screensaver but not stopping until a password is entered.

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One of my first thing was to disable xscreensaver daemon to save memory. I thought it works on a deeper level. I didn't want a screen saver but wanted to lock my screen.

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> Most of the packages you install are in /var/cache/apt, IIRC

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I know, and for an automated backup, I wrote a shell script. Normal/average newcomer users won't write a shell script.



20. The ICEDTEA (or any other firefox - openjava brigde) should be

installed by default. Seriously.

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> Why? Isn't Java installed now it's open source?

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Firefox and OpenJava are both installed, they just can't see each-other. I also had to install Icedtea package (that's why I called it bridge), for the two to find each-other.



>Can't you already access SMB shares through Gigolo by default?

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It can acces but cannot create a file sharing.

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> When running the LiveCD, there is System->Administration->USB Startup Disk Creator. You can also install this afterwards to easily create a bootable USB pendrive, that can also store your settings and installed applications and the like.

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My fault. Wasn't exploring the LiveCD deelpy enough.

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> .tar.gz in general or is this just a probably with Krusader?

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Right again. Only in crusader.

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Well sorry if I hurt anybodys feelings, I just wanted to express what a (close-to-) normal, impatient user feels.

I will report special program and project related bugs to where they belong.*

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I am also planning to create a short step-by-step guide to install and set up Xubuntu [especially for users who don't like to read], and in that I wanted to mention the UTC, Pulsaudio, etc that a newcomer would be surprised at. And also teach some very basics, just to let the user know what should he/she google on forums.

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Thanks for all replies.

Gregorius

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Old 07-14-2010, 10:35 AM
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Default Bugs and Improvement ideas for XUbuntu 10.04

2010/7/14 Pál Gergő <lordofdance@freemail.hu>






Hi again.

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> Really, there are people who've worked hard on quality documentation, which can really be a help sometimes

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Okay, you're right All document writers , excuse me for my impatience. I only open the documentations when I want to learn something new and I exactly want to know what I want to learn. (If I didn't know alreaty that swap [should] exsists, I wouldn't have created one)





> I believe that's already possible. Have you checked the Mouse and Display items, respectively, in Applications->Settings->Settings Manager?

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The Settings manager -> Display lets me change the resolution and the refresh rate, even rotation but not color depth.

The mouse settings lets me change acceleation, and acceleration treshold, but not default speed.

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7. There should be a more easy way to change the number of desktops ,

and to create Launcher shortcuts. (ex: right click on the desktop

changer -> Set count ; Right click on a file -> create shortcut)

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I found the Launcher creation in the desktop and Thunar. I thought KDE would also show this right-click menu item when I run a kde-based file manager( Krusader), but seems it doesn't. So sorry for this one.



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> 12-13-14

> Most of the things that apply to normal users are present in the documentation. The more advanced things can be learned through the internet or a guide book, but that's really out of scope to confront the bulk of the users with on the desktop.



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Okay, you're right. It's me-specific

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> Is there a place more obvious than xscreensaver to have screen locking capabilities? Basically it's just running the screensaver but not stopping until a password is entered.

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One of my first thing was to disable xscreensaver daemon to save memory. I thought it works on a deeper level. I didn't want a screen saver but wanted to lock my screen.

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> Most of the packages you install are in /var/cache/apt, IIRC

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I know, and for an automated backup, I wrote a shell script. Normal/average newcomer users won't write a shell script.


Do they backup their .deb packages? ;-)
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20. The ICEDTEA (or any other firefox - openjava brigde) should be

installed by default. Seriously.

*



> Why? Isn't Java installed now it's open source?

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Firefox and OpenJava are both installed, they just can't see each-other. I also had to install Icedtea package (that's why I called it bridge), for the two to find each-other.



>Can't you already access SMB shares through Gigolo by default?

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It can acces but cannot create a file sharing.
Hmm... I did believe there was a feature or a plug-in that would Thunar do that... Can't find it right now though.
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> When running the LiveCD, there is System->Administration->USB Startup Disk Creator. You can also install this afterwards to easily create a bootable USB pendrive, that can also store your settings and installed applications and the like.



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My fault. Wasn't exploring the LiveCD deelpy enough.

*

> .tar.gz in general or is this just a probably with Krusader?

*

Right again. Only in crusader.

*

Well sorry if I hurt anybodys feelings, I just wanted to express what a (close-to-) normal, impatient user feels.

I will report special program and project related bugs to where they belong.*

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Oh, haha, I didn't mean to sound too grumpy or something, just wanted to give you an indication of what can/will be done with your comments
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I am also planning to create a short step-by-step guide to install and set up Xubuntu [especially for users who don't like to read], and in that I wanted to mention the UTC, Pulsaudio, etc that a newcomer would be surprised at. And also teach some very basics, just to let the user know what should he/she google on forums.



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That could very well be useful to some people
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Thanks for all replies.

Gregorius
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You're welcome, thanks for the comments,
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Old 07-26-2010, 03:41 PM
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Default Bugs and Improvement ideas for XUbuntu 10.04

Hey there,

Just a quick answer on 29 (Exaile): Exaile does also searching by file location, using __loc=<location>, but without support for wildcards, unfortunately. It also comes with an integrated file browser panel. There will probably never be more support for tagless files, as this is a design decision in Exaile: users should either use file managers or properly tag their files for use in the player.


Ultimately, there might be some auto-tagging plugins (there was one for the genre tag, last.fm based, for a while). But users who use a lot of tagless files may indeed use another player. Though, as you're the first person I've heard reporting this on both Exaile and Xubuntu, I think this is an edge use case that does not justify a switch to another player.


About the lightweightness and features of Audacious, you are free to ressurect and update the Music Player comparison on the wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Karmic/DefaultMusicPlayer).


Cordially,
SD.

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