If i were you, i would back up anything of any importance and reinstall 7.04 if you can find it and wait untill the next lts (following old pattern it should be 8.06) and then stick with lts editions. If you want a 7.04 disk i have plenty to spair just give me a shout.
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Subject: Slow performance on Hoary/Gutsy
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I have a very slow performance on my system. The machine is somewhat aged; it is a Nvida Nforce 2 with a AMD Athlon XP 2000+ CPU and 1GB RAM. I have used Ubuntu since version 5.04, I do not know if I just need to take this degradation into account? With Hoary I did a new install for the first time since April 2005. Previously I always used the upgrade option. After the install I noticed that the harddrive is identified with as a serial ATA drive, although I am confident that this old drive is does not have a serial ATA interface. Could this be the reason for slow performance? DMA seem to be enabled from what I can see.
I am grateful for all sorts of advice before I resort to buying some new hardware.
[ 51.277416] Adding 1951856k swap on /dev/sda5. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:1951856k
[ 51.836651] EXT3 FS on sda1, internal journal
[ 52.590173] EXT3 FS on sda6, internal journal
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05-04-2008, 02:09 PM
Torbjörn Österdahl
Slow performance on Hoary/Gutsy
Obviously the version I installed last week was 8.04 Hardy Heron. Hoary
Hedgehog was 5.04, if I remember things correctly. Typo.
Torbjörn
On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 08:57 -0500, Anna EdwARds wrote:
> If i were you, i would back up anything of any importance and
> reinstall 7.04 if you can find it and wait untill the next lts
> (following old pattern it should be 8.06) and then stick with lts
> editions. If you want a 7.04 disk i have plenty to spair just give me
> a shout.
>
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> --- Original Message ---
> Date: Sun May 04 06:23:21 PDT 2008
> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Torbj=F6rn_=D6sterdahl?=
> To: ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Slow performance on Hoary/Gutsy
> ---
>
> I have a very slow performance on my system. The machine is somewhat
> aged; it is a Nvida Nforce 2 with a AMD Athlon XP 2000+ CPU and 1GB
> RAM. I have used Ubuntu since version 5.04, I do not know if I just
> need to take this degradation into account? With Hoary I did a new
> install for the first time since April 2005. Previously I always used
> the upgrade option. After the install I noticed that the harddrive is
> identified with as a serial ATA drive, although I am confident that
> this old drive is does not have a serial ATA interface. Could this be
> the reason for slow performance? DMA seem to be enabled from what I
> can see.
>
> I am grateful for all sorts of advice before I resort to buying some
> new hardware.
>
> sudo hdparm -i /dev/sda
>
> /dev/sda:
>
> Model=ST3120024A , FwRev=3.33 , SerialNo=3KA1EJGH
> Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed DTR>10Mbs RotSpdTol>.5% }
> RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=4
> BuffType=unknown, BuffSize=8192kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=?16?
> CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=234441648
> IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:240,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
> PIO modes: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
> DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
> UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
> AdvancedPM=no WriteCache=enabled
> Drive conforms to: ATA/ATAPI-6 T13 1410D revision 2:
> ATA/ATAPI-1,2,3,4,5,6
>
> * signifies the current active mode
>
> dmesg|grep sda
> [ 33.856254] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 234441648 512-byte hardware sectors
> (120034 MB)
> [ 33.856271] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
> [ 33.856274] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
> [ 33.856296] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache:
> enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
> [ 33.856357] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 234441648 512-byte hardware sectors
> (120034 MB)
> [ 33.856369] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
> [ 33.856373] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
> [ 33.856391] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache:
> enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
> [ 33.856396] sda:<4>Driver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type
> methods
> [ 33.871214] sda1 sda4 < sda5 sda6>
> [ 33.891302] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk
> [ 51.277416] Adding 1951856k swap on /dev/sda5. Priority:-1 extents:1
> across:1951856k
> [ 51.836651] EXT3 FS on sda1, internal journal
> [ 52.590173] EXT3 FS on sda6, internal journal
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05-04-2008, 04:39 PM
sktsee
Slow performance on Hoary/Gutsy
On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 16:09 +0200, Torbjörn Österdahl wrote:
> Obviously the version I installed last week was 8.04 Hardy Heron. Hoary
> Hedgehog was 5.04, if I remember things correctly. Typo.
>
> Torbjörn
>
>
> On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 08:57 -0500, Anna EdwARds wrote:
> > If i were you, i would back up anything of any importance and
> > reinstall 7.04 if you can find it and wait untill the next lts
> > (following old pattern it should be 8.06) and then stick with lts
> > editions. If you want a 7.04 disk i have plenty to spair just give me
> > a shout.
> >
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> > http://www.flurry.com
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> > --- Original Message ---
> > Date: Sun May 04 06:23:21 PDT 2008
> > From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Torbj=F6rn_=D6sterdahl?=
> > To: ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: Slow performance on Hoary/Gutsy
> > ---
> >
> > I have a very slow performance on my system. The machine is somewhat
> > aged; it is a Nvida Nforce 2 with a AMD Athlon XP 2000+ CPU and 1GB
> > RAM. I have used Ubuntu since version 5.04, I do not know if I just
> > need to take this degradation into account? With Hoary I did a new
> > install for the first time since April 2005. Previously I always used
> > the upgrade option. After the install I noticed that the harddrive is
> > identified with as a serial ATA drive, although I am confident that
> > this old drive is does not have a serial ATA interface. Could this be
> > the reason for slow performance? DMA seem to be enabled from what I
> > can see.
> >
> > I am grateful for all sorts of advice before I resort to buying some
> > new hardware.
> >
> > sudo hdparm -i /dev/sda
> >
> > /dev/sda:
> >
> > Model=ST3120024A , FwRev=3.33 , SerialNo=3KA1EJGH
> > Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed DTR>10Mbs RotSpdTol>.5% }
> > RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=4
> > BuffType=unknown, BuffSize=8192kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=?16?
> > CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=234441648
> > IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:240,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
> > PIO modes: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
> > DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
> > UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
> > AdvancedPM=no WriteCache=enabled
> > Drive conforms to: ATA/ATAPI-6 T13 1410D revision 2:
> > ATA/ATAPI-1,2,3,4,5,6
> >
> > * signifies the current active mode
> >
> > dmesg|grep sda
> > [ 33.856254] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 234441648 512-byte hardware sectors
> > (120034 MB)
> > [ 33.856271] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
> > [ 33.856274] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
> > [ 33.856296] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache:
> > enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
> > [ 33.856357] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 234441648 512-byte hardware sectors
> > (120034 MB)
> > [ 33.856369] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
> > [ 33.856373] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
> > [ 33.856391] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache:
> > enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
> > [ 33.856396] sda:<4>Driver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type
> > methods
> > [ 33.871214] sda1 sda4 < sda5 sda6>
> > [ 33.891302] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk
> > [ 51.277416] Adding 1951856k swap on /dev/sda5. Priority:-1 extents:1
> > across:1951856k
> > [ 51.836651] EXT3 FS on sda1, internal journal
> > [ 52.590173] EXT3 FS on sda6, internal journal
> >
The device node name change from /dev/hda to /dev/sda results from the
libata library handling the SATA, and/or PATA devices on your system.
It's pretty much a cosmetic change as libata supports most PATA devices
just fine. Usually it's really old drives, or mainboards with quirky
controllers that can be problematic.
My drive is a Seagate (ST380215A) also, and the output I get from hdparm
and dmesg is practically identical to what you posted, and I've not
suffered any performance hit using libata. Of course, I haven't upgraded
to hardy yet, so I may be in for unpleasant surprise when I do. :/
I think the most likely cause for the performance loss is that one or
more processes have malfunctioned and are eating up CPU cycles, or
causing excessive IO. Here's a few suggestions in no order to help
troubleshoot the problem.
1. Run top, say, 10 minutes after rebooting to see if any process is
hoarding the cpy or causing excessive io.
2. make sure the swap file is on. "swapon -s" should list the active
swap.
3. Install bootchart to audit the system's boot sequence.
4. Have a sane host name. If you give your machine a host name like
myhostname.com, a lot of apps are going to spend a lot of time doing
lookups and timing out because it isn't a valid registered name with
DNS. Just set the hostname to a name without a domain, or to something
like myhostname.site in the /etc/hosts file.
5. Compare performance between booting with a Gutsy LiveCD vs. a Hardy
LiveCD. Mount your hardisk and perform timing tests with hdparm -Tt
6. Turn off Desktop effects if they are enabled.
That should get you started. Hopefully, other list members wiil chime in
with other suggestions.
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05-04-2008, 07:45 PM
Torbjörn Österdahl
Slow performance on Hoary/Gutsy
There is a swap partition but the used flag is 0. I do not know if this
is normal.
Running hdparm -Tt resulted in a strange result when running it
on /dev/sda4, which is my '/' partition. This partition is about 30 Gig,
but hdparm still complains that it is to small. 'fdisk' lists it as a
'Extended' partition. I am not sure if this extended partition is
necessary(?).
swapon -s
Filename Type Size Used Priority
/dev/sda5 partition 1951856 0 -1
sudo fdisk -l
Disk /dev/sda: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x1ed81ed7
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 * 1 3649 29310561 83 Linux
/dev/sda4 3650 14593 87907680 5 Extended
/dev/sda5 3650 3892 1951866 82 Linux swap /
Solaris
/dev/sda6 3893 14593 85955751 83 Linux
torost@media:~$ sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/sda1
/dev/sda1:
Timing cached reads: 724 MB in 2.00 seconds = 361.74 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 112 MB in 3.02 seconds = 37.09 MB/sec
torost@media:~$ sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/sda4
/dev/sda4:
read(2097152) returned 1024 bytes
Timing buffered disk reads: read() hit EOF - device too small
torost@media:~$ sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/sda6
/dev/sda6:
Timing cached reads: 678 MB in 2.00 seconds = 339.04 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 118 MB in 3.02 seconds = 39.04 MB/sec
torost@media:~$
sudo gpart /dev/sda
Begin scan...
Possible partition(Linux ext2), size(28623mb), offset(0mb)
Possible extended partition at offset(28623mb)
Possible partition(Linux swap), size(1906mb), offset(28623mb)
Possible partition(Linux ext2), size(83941mb), offset(30529mb)
End scan.
Checking partitions...
Partition(Linux ext2 filesystem): primary
Partition(Linux swap or Solaris/x86): logical
Partition(Linux ext2 filesystem): logical
Ok.
On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 11:39 -0500, sktsee wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 16:09 +0200, Torbjörn Österdahl wrote:
> > Obviously the version I installed last week was 8.04 Hardy Heron. Hoary
> > Hedgehog was 5.04, if I remember things correctly. Typo.
> >
> > Torbjörn
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 08:57 -0500, Anna EdwARds wrote:
> > > If i were you, i would back up anything of any importance and
> > > reinstall 7.04 if you can find it and wait untill the next lts
> > > (following old pattern it should be 8.06) and then stick with lts
> > > editions. If you want a 7.04 disk i have plenty to spair just give me
> > > a shout.
> > >
> > > _____________________________
> > > Sent from my phone using flurry - Get free mobile email and news at:
> > > http://www.flurry.com
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> > > --- Original Message ---
> > > Date: Sun May 04 06:23:21 PDT 2008
> > > From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Torbj=F6rn_=D6sterdahl?=
> > > To: ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > Subject: Slow performance on Hoary/Gutsy
> > > ---
> > >
> > > I have a very slow performance on my system. The machine is somewhat
> > > aged; it is a Nvida Nforce 2 with a AMD Athlon XP 2000+ CPU and 1GB
> > > RAM. I have used Ubuntu since version 5.04, I do not know if I just
> > > need to take this degradation into account? With Hoary I did a new
> > > install for the first time since April 2005. Previously I always used
> > > the upgrade option. After the install I noticed that the harddrive is
> > > identified with as a serial ATA drive, although I am confident that
> > > this old drive is does not have a serial ATA interface. Could this be
> > > the reason for slow performance? DMA seem to be enabled from what I
> > > can see.
> > >
> > > I am grateful for all sorts of advice before I resort to buying some
> > > new hardware.
> > >
> > > sudo hdparm -i /dev/sda
> > >
> > > /dev/sda:
> > >
> > > Model=ST3120024A , FwRev=3.33 , SerialNo=3KA1EJGH
> > > Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed DTR>10Mbs RotSpdTol>.5% }
> > > RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=4
> > > BuffType=unknown, BuffSize=8192kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=?16?
> > > CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=234441648
> > > IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:240,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
> > > PIO modes: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
> > > DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
> > > UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
> > > AdvancedPM=no WriteCache=enabled
> > > Drive conforms to: ATA/ATAPI-6 T13 1410D revision 2:
> > > ATA/ATAPI-1,2,3,4,5,6
> > >
> > > * signifies the current active mode
> > >
> > > dmesg|grep sda
> > > [ 33.856254] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 234441648 512-byte hardware sectors
> > > (120034 MB)
> > > [ 33.856271] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
> > > [ 33.856274] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
> > > [ 33.856296] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache:
> > > enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
> > > [ 33.856357] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 234441648 512-byte hardware sectors
> > > (120034 MB)
> > > [ 33.856369] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
> > > [ 33.856373] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
> > > [ 33.856391] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache:
> > > enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
> > > [ 33.856396] sda:<4>Driver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type
> > > methods
> > > [ 33.871214] sda1 sda4 < sda5 sda6>
> > > [ 33.891302] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk
> > > [ 51.277416] Adding 1951856k swap on /dev/sda5. Priority:-1 extents:1
> > > across:1951856k
> > > [ 51.836651] EXT3 FS on sda1, internal journal
> > > [ 52.590173] EXT3 FS on sda6, internal journal
> > >
>
> The device node name change from /dev/hda to /dev/sda results from the
> libata library handling the SATA, and/or PATA devices on your system.
> It's pretty much a cosmetic change as libata supports most PATA devices
> just fine. Usually it's really old drives, or mainboards with quirky
> controllers that can be problematic.
>
> My drive is a Seagate (ST380215A) also, and the output I get from hdparm
> and dmesg is practically identical to what you posted, and I've not
> suffered any performance hit using libata. Of course, I haven't upgraded
> to hardy yet, so I may be in for unpleasant surprise when I do. :/
>
> I think the most likely cause for the performance loss is that one or
> more processes have malfunctioned and are eating up CPU cycles, or
> causing excessive IO. Here's a few suggestions in no order to help
> troubleshoot the problem.
>
> 1. Run top, say, 10 minutes after rebooting to see if any process is
> hoarding the cpy or causing excessive io.
>
> 2. make sure the swap file is on. "swapon -s" should list the active
> swap.
>
> 3. Install bootchart to audit the system's boot sequence.
>
> 4. Have a sane host name. If you give your machine a host name like
> myhostname.com, a lot of apps are going to spend a lot of time doing
> lookups and timing out because it isn't a valid registered name with
> DNS. Just set the hostname to a name without a domain, or to something
> like myhostname.site in the /etc/hosts file.
>
> 5. Compare performance between booting with a Gutsy LiveCD vs. a Hardy
> LiveCD. Mount your hardisk and perform timing tests with hdparm -Tt
>
> 6. Turn off Desktop effects if they are enabled.
>
> That should get you started. Hopefully, other list members wiil chime in
> with other suggestions.
>
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Slow performance on Hoary/Gutsy
On Sun, 04 May 2008 21:45:03 +0200, Torbjörn Österdahl wrote:
> There is a swap partition but the used flag is 0. I do not know if this
> is normal.
Yes, it just means that your system has enough free memory and doesn't
need to swap out to disk.
>
> Running hdparm -Tt resulted in a strange result when running it on
> /dev/sda4, which is my '/' partition. This partition is about 30 Gig,
> but hdparm still complains that it is to small. 'fdisk' lists it as a
> 'Extended' partition. I am not sure if this extended partition is
> necessary(?).
That's normal. An extended partition isn't like a regular partition, but
rather is a "container" for logical partitions. I have an extended
partition on my drive and hdparm gave the same error message when running
timing tests on it.
>
> swapon -s
> Filename Type Size Used Priority
> /dev/sda5 partition 1951856 0 -1
>
> sudo fdisk -l
>
> Disk /dev/sda: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track,
> 14593 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk
> identifier: 0x1ed81ed7
>
> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
> /dev/sda1 * 1 3649 29310561 83 Linux /dev/sda4
> 3650 14593 87907680 5 Extended /dev/sda5
> 3650 3892 1951866 82 Linux swap / Solaris
> /dev/sda6 3893 14593 85955751 83 Linux
>
>
> torost@media:~$ sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/sda1
>
> /dev/sda1:
> Timing cached reads: 724 MB in 2.00 seconds = 361.74 MB/sec Timing
> buffered disk reads: 112 MB in 3.02 seconds = 37.09 MB/sec
> torost@media:~$ sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/sda4
>
> /dev/sda4:
> read(2097152) returned 1024 bytes
> Timing buffered disk reads: read() hit EOF - device too small
> torost@media:~$ sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/sda6
>
> /dev/sda6:
> Timing cached reads: 678 MB in 2.00 seconds = 339.04 MB/sec Timing
> buffered disk reads: 118 MB in 3.02 seconds = 39.04 MB/sec
> torost@media:~$
>
> sudo gpart /dev/sda
>
> Begin scan...
> Possible partition(Linux ext2), size(28623mb), offset(0mb) Possible
> extended partition at offset(28623mb)
> Possible partition(Linux swap), size(1906mb), offset(28623mb)
> Possible partition(Linux ext2), size(83941mb), offset(30529mb)
> End scan.
>
> Checking partitions...
> Partition(Linux ext2 filesystem): primary
> Partition(Linux swap or Solaris/x86): logical Partition(Linux ext2
> filesystem): logical
> Ok.
>
> Guessed primary partition table:
> Primary partition(1)
> type: 131(0x83)(Linux ext2 filesystem) size: 28623mb #s(58621120)
> s(63-58621182) chs: (0/1/1)-(1023/254/63)d (0/1/1)-(3648/254/61)r
>
> Primary partition(2)
> type: 015(0x0F)(Extended DOS, LBA)
> size: 85847mb #s(175815360) s(58621185-234436544) chs:
> (1023/254/63)-(1023/254/63)d (3649/0/1)-(14592/254/63)r
>
> Primary partition(3)
> type: 000(0x00)(unused)
> size: 0mb #s(0) s(0-0)
> chs: (0/0/0)-(0/0/0)d (0/0/0)-(0/0/0)r
>
> Primary partition(4)
> type: 000(0x00)(unused)
> size: 0mb #s(0) s(0-0)
> chs: (0/0/0)-(0/0/0)d (0/0/0)-(0/0/0)r
>
The timing tests on your system beat mine, and my machine runs fine so
I'd say that disk performance probably isn't the source of sluggishness
on your system. You may still want try doing comparison timing tests with
the LiveCD's of Gutsy and Hardy. If there's no appreciable difference
between OS versions, then it becomes more likely then slowness is caused
by something else.
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Slow performance on Hoary/Gutsy
river 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type methods
