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Old 05-03-2008, 01:36 AM
ssc1478
 
Default spam & evolution

Evolution is not catching any spam. I've been clicking the Junk button
long enough that it should have learned.

I only have bogofilter installed. Am I missing something obvious here?

Thanks,

PHil






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Old 05-06-2008, 02:55 PM
Noiano
 
Default spam & evolution

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ssc1478 wrote:
> Evolution is not catching any spam. I've been clicking the Junk button
> long enough that it should have learned.
>
> I only have bogofilter installed. Am I missing something obvious here?
>
> Thanks,
>
> PHil
>

Same thing happens to me even using spamassasin plugin.
Nothing changes with latest updates...have you find a solution?

Noiano

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Old 05-06-2008, 03:39 PM
"Terrell Prudé Jr."
 
Default spam & evolution

Noiano wrote:
> ssc1478 wrote:
> > Evolution is not catching any spam. I've been clicking the Junk button
> > long enough that it should have learned.
>
> > I only have bogofilter installed. Am I missing something obvious here?
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > PHil
>
>
> Same thing happens to me even using spamassasin plugin.
> Nothing changes with latest updates...have you find a solution?
>
> Noiano
>

I trust you've checked the "Check for junk" box in your preferences?
It's easy to forget to do that.

Generally, I've found that Evolution's junk mail filter takes a *lot* of
training. You may not see decent results for several weeks, and even
then, spam will still get through a bit much for my liking. Remember
that Hardy Heron's not even two weeks old as a distro yet.

However, I've found Mozilla Thunderbird's junk filter to be stellar, and
it was even good back in the Mozilla Suite days. If that's an option, I
think you'll be pleased with it. My Dad's on it, and he loves it.

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Old 05-06-2008, 03:54 PM
Pastor JW
 
Default spam & evolution

On Tuesday 06 May 2008 08:39:00 am Terrell Prudé Jr. wrote:
> I trust you've checked the "Check for junk" box in your preferences?
> It's easy to forget to do that.

Where is that setting found? I don't seem to find it anywhere in my
preferences.


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Old 05-06-2008, 05:46 PM
"Terrell Prudé Jr."
 
Default spam & evolution

Pastor JW wrote:

On Tuesday 06 May 2008 08:39:00 am Terrell Prudé Jr. wrote:


I trust you've checked the "Check for junk" box in your preferences?
It's easy to forget to do that.



Where is that setting found? I don't seem to find it anywhere in my
preferences.




IIRC, it's under Tools, Settings, Mail Preferences (one of the tabs
should deal with junk mail).



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Old 05-06-2008, 07:12 PM
sktsee
 
Default spam & evolution

On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 16:55 +0200, Noiano wrote:
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> ssc1478 wrote:
> > Evolution is not catching any spam. I've been clicking the Junk button
> > long enough that it should have learned.
> >
> > I only have bogofilter installed. Am I missing something obvious here?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > PHil
> >
>
> Same thing happens to me even using spamassasin plugin.
> Nothing changes with latest updates...have you find a solution?
>

Two things:
1. spamassasin is overkill for a single desktop machine. IIRC, it
launches, at minimum, five instances of itself (or maybe it's 5 threads)
that makes a noticeable impact on system resources. bogofilter works
just fine once you get it working

2. Train bogofilter

create 2 files in your home directory

$ touch spambox hambox

In evolution create a new mail account. For the email address use
anything like, local@localhost. It won't matter since your not going to
actually use this to receive mail. For the server type choose "Unix
Standard Mbox Spool File" Click the Path button and choose the spambox
file you just created a moment ago. Click through until you get to the
server type for sending email. Change the server type to sendmail. Click
through the rest and apply the settings. You should have a new account
listed in the side pane with an Inbox, Junk, and Trash folder if all
went well.

Instead using the Junk button to identify spam, just move the spam
messages over to the inbox of the new account you created. Collect about
200 spam messages. When you have that amount, go into the mail account
preferences and edit the spam collection account. Click on the Receiving
Email tab and then click the Path button. Change the file from spambox
to hambox and click ok. The inbox of the new account should be empty.

Now what you want to do is fill the inbox with good mail copied over
from your regular email account(s), say a 100 or so. Actually, you
probably don't need this many, but more helps keep the false positives
down. Use samples of each type of email you get. Some person-to-person,
mailing-list messages, business correspondence, etc.

When you have enough good email, then open a terminal and type in the
following commands from your home directory.

$ mv .bogofilter/wordlist.db .bogofilter/worlist.db-backup
$ bogofilter -s < spambox
$ bogofilter -h < hambox

Bogofilter should now be adequately trained and hopefully will start
doing a better job of filtering out the junk. Now that the bogofilter
wordlist has reached critical mass, marking new junk with the Junk
button should work better. The spam collecton account can be deleted,
though you may want to archive the spambox/hambox files if you ever need
to quickly train bogofilter again.

For more info on training methods for bogofilter see its FAQ
http://bogofilter.sourceforge.net/faq.shtml#training

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Old 05-06-2008, 07:53 PM
"Steve Lamb"
 
Default spam & evolution

On Tue, May 6, 2008 12:12 pm, sktsee wrote:
> Two things:
> 1. spamassasin is overkill for a single desktop machine. IIRC, it
> launches, at minimum, five instances of itself (or maybe it's 5 threads)
> that makes a noticeable impact on system resources.

Only in daemon mode and only if you do not alter the defaults to raise
or lower the number of threads it implements. It works perfectly fine
as a single-threaded on-demand application.


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Old 05-07-2008, 11:10 AM
ssc1478
 
Default spam & evolution

On Tue, 06 May 2008 16:55:12 +0200
Noiano <noiano@x-privat.org> wrote:

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>
> ssc1478 wrote:
> > Evolution is not catching any spam. I've been clicking the Junk
> > button long enough that it should have learned.
> >
> > I only have bogofilter installed. Am I missing something obvious
> > here?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > PHil
> >
>
> Same thing happens to me even using spamassasin plugin.
> Nothing changes with latest updates...have you find a solution?
>
> Noiano

Yes I did! I resorted to reading the user guide I had to mark
messages as Not Junk as well as mark messages As Junk. Right-click on
a message, then select "Mark As Not Junk". I did that for over a 100
messages, and then the bogofilter started working.

Phil

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Old 05-08-2008, 07:13 AM
Noiano
 
Default spam & evolution

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Terrell Prudé Jr. wrote:
> I trust you've checked the "Check for junk" box in your preferences?
> It's easy to forget to do that.
>
> Generally, I've found that Evolution's junk mail filter takes a *lot* of
> training. You may not see decent results for several weeks, and even
> then, spam will still get through a bit much for my liking. Remember
> that Hardy Heron's not even two weeks old as a distro yet.
>
> However, I've found Mozilla Thunderbird's junk filter to be stellar, and
> it was even good back in the Mozilla Suite days. If that's an option, I
> think you'll be pleased with it. My Dad's on it, and he loves it.
>

I did check "check for junk" but I had to select "default
junk plugin" which was unselected. Now everything works as
expected since I had already done the training

Noiano
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Old 05-08-2008, 07:18 AM
Noiano
 
Default spam & evolution

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Steve Lamb wrote:
> On Tue, May 6, 2008 12:12 pm, sktsee wrote:
>> Two things:
>> 1. spamassasin is overkill for a single desktop machine. IIRC, it
>> launches, at minimum, five instances of itself (or maybe it's 5 threads)
>> that makes a noticeable impact on system resources.
>
> Only in daemon mode and only if you do not alter the defaults to raise
> or lower the number of threads it implements. It works perfectly fine
> as a single-threaded on-demand application.
>
>
Where do you choose this operating mode? in spamassasin
settings? I see evolution doesn't use spamc but it executes
lots of istances of spamd...how did you manage this?Using
spamc the inbox scanning is a lot faster....

Noiano

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