Evolution is very bloated and does groupwise, and a dozen other enterprise type exchange server support.* I want basic, I want thunderbird.

I have tried to uninstall evolution through the package manager, yet if I uninstall too much, ubuntu will not successfully boot, but will hand after I log in.* I search on everything with the name Evolution and if it is installed, I completely uninstall and the package installer suggests dozens of other little things, so I mark those too.


When all these things are removed, ubuntu does not successfully boot.

Installing thunderbird is easy and works great.

Now, I am working in a wubi section.

If I install for real will I get an option to select what is installed?


Thanks
Michael

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On 04/28/2008 07:40 PM, michael wilson wrote:
> Evolution is very bloated and does groupwise, and a dozen other enterprise
> type exchange server support. I want basic, I want thunderbird.
>
> I have tried to uninstall evolution through the package manager, yet if I
> uninstall too much, ubuntu will not successfully boot, but will hand after I
> log in. I search on everything with the name Evolution and if it is
> installed, I completely uninstall and the package installer suggests dozens
> of other little things, so I mark those too.
>
> When all these things are removed, ubuntu does not successfully boot.
>
> Installing thunderbird is easy and works great.
>
> Now, I am working in a wubi section.
>
> If I install for real will I get an option to select what is installed?
>
> Thanks
> Michael
>
>

You know, google is your friend sometimes :-)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Ubuntu+%2Bhow+to+uninstall+evolutio n
https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/13163

Disclaimer: I've not tried it.


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On 04/28/2008 07:48 PM, NoOp wrote:

>
> You know, google is your friend sometimes :-)
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Ubuntu+%2Bhow+to+uninstall+evolutio n
> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/13163
>
> Disclaimer: I've not tried it.
>
>

Update: I just did using;

sudo apt-get remove evolution

It uninstalled just as stated in 131163. That removes:

evolution evolution-plugins and evolution-exchange

However, it only removes 12.5MB, so you don't gain a whole lot of disk
space by doing so. Unless it is a problem you can just remove the Evo
icon from your panel, and from your Applications menu and forget that it
is there.



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On Monday 28 April 2008 07:40:41 pm michael wilson wrote:
> Evolution is very bloated and does groupwise, and a dozen other enterprise
> type exchange server support. I want basic, I want thunderbird.

I have to agree, it is almost as bloated as a windoze app. I won't open it up
and use KMail instead. Still, they tried to wreak that too but I now bypass
Kontact and use KMail only. In fact when I was told I couldn't use KMail
without Kontact, I went to Claws instead till someone told me how to use only
KMail. If it is not running, does it still use resources?

> I have tried to uninstall evolution through the package manager, yet if I
> uninstall too much, ubuntu will not successfully boot, but will hand after
> I log in. I search on everything with the name Evolution and if it is
> installed, I completely uninstall and the package installer suggests dozens
> of other little things, so I mark those too.

I think since it is integrated into the Gnome desktop environment it can only
be not used rather than deleted as other parts are needed for other apps in
Gnome. As you may have surmised, I personally use the KDE desktop
environment but the problem is much the same. I can't remove Kontact either
without affecting the workings of KDE.

> When all these things are removed, ubuntu does not successfully boot.
>
> Installing thunderbird is easy and works great.
>
> Now, I am working in a wubi section.
>
> If I install for real will I get an option to select what is installed?

Yes to a certain extent, but if you wish to use one of the environments there
is the bit of overhead to contend with. MickySoft would also be so much
better, more powerful, and faster if Windoze could just be dropped and the
DOS underneath used instead. Convenience has its price!


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If you go to the package installer and search on evolution you get a list of many things. If you "completely uninstall" everything that is evolution* ubuntu will not boot correctly after you log in.* After you enter your login information the desktop appears but no top and bottom bar.* So evolution cannot be completely uninstalled from the package installer.


The package installer claims to remove 106MB

I guess ubuntu is not that stable after all.* I am up to my 5th clean install tonight trying to get rid of evolution.* Configuring ubuntu is not a quick process so we are up to about 4 hours trying to figure this out.


wow

Michael

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Pastor JW <pastor_jw@the-inner-circle.org> wrote:

On Monday 28 April 2008 07:40:41 pm michael wilson wrote:

> Evolution is very bloated and does groupwise, and a dozen other enterprise

> type exchange server support. *I want basic, I want thunderbird.



I have to agree, it is almost as bloated as a windoze app. *I won't open it up

and use KMail instead. *Still, they tried to wreak that too but I now bypass

Kontact and use KMail only. *In fact when I was told I couldn't use KMail

without Kontact, I went to Claws instead till someone told me how to use only

KMail. *If it is not running, does it still use resources?



> I have tried to uninstall evolution through the package manager, yet if I

> uninstall too much, ubuntu will not successfully boot, but will hand after

> I log in. *I search on everything with the name Evolution and if it is

> installed, I completely uninstall and the package installer suggests dozens

> of other little things, so I mark those too.



I think since it is integrated into the Gnome desktop environment it can only

be not used rather than deleted as other parts are needed for other apps in

Gnome. *As you may have surmised, I personally use the KDE desktop

environment but the problem is much the same. *I can't remove Kontact either

without affecting the workings of KDE.



> When all these things are removed, ubuntu does not successfully boot.

>

> Installing thunderbird is easy and works great.

>

> Now, I am working in a wubi section.

>

> If I install for real will I get an option to select what is installed?



Yes to a certain extent, but if you wish to use one of the environments there

is the bit of overhead to contend with. *MickySoft would also be so much

better, more powerful, and faster if Windoze could just be dropped and the

DOS underneath used instead. *Convenience has its price!





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On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 22:14 -0700, michael wilson wrote:
> If you go to the package installer and search on evolution you get a
> list of many things.

27 in my case (searching for package names), 8 of which are installed

> If you "completely uninstall" everything that is evolution* ubuntu
> will not boot correctly after you log in.

Yes, because contrary to what people claim, it is not "bloated" (many
features != bloated). It is split into various parts, some of which are
used by other applications. For example, the panel's calendar applet
reuses the evolution calendar.

> So evolution cannot be completely uninstalled from the package
> installer.

It can, one just needs to know what one is doing

> The package installer claims to remove 106MB

I don't know _what you are uninstalling, but you should only be
uninstalling these, which will, according to my PC, free 116 MB

evolution, evolution-exchange evolution-common, evolution-plugins,
evolution-webcal, openoffice.org-evolution

You should leave evolution-data-server and evolution-data-server-common
installed, as they are used by other parts of the desktop.

As others have suggested, given modern hard disk sizes it is
questionable whether removing it is even worth it, just hide the icon in
the menu. But as you have seen, it is possible.

> I guess ubuntu is not that stable after all. I am up to my 5th clean
> install tonight trying to get rid of evolution. Configuring ubuntu is
> not a quick process so we are up to about 4 hours trying to figure
> this out.

You can hardly blame Ubuntu for stability when it is you who breaks his
box.


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On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 22:14 -0700, michael wilson wrote:


If you go to the package installer and search on evolution you get a list of many things. If you "completely uninstall" everything that is evolution* ubuntu will not boot correctly after you log in.* After you enter your login information the desktop appears but no top and bottom bar.* So evolution cannot be completely uninstalled from the package installer.




You still need to read about the packages because many of the libraries that are used are Ubuntu libararies that evolution also makes use of.* When you search in synaptic for Evolution, It will bring up every instance of a package with evolution in either the title, and the description.* I don't have the time right now to give you a good example as I've got classes soon but do this: once Hardy is reinstalled, search for the main packages of evolution (evolution-common, evolution, evolution-data-server, and evolution-data-server-common) then remove them, (not everything that comes up in the search list).* It's just the basic packages you want to get rid of, and if you care to, the profile it creates in your /home directory.* Once you do that then yes Evolution won't start.* The panels rely on some integration with evolution as you can click on the clock for example and see your schedule etc. and I think completely removing all mention of evolution causes panels to stop working.* The GNOME team chose to INTEGRATE evolution, meaning it's part of the desktop experience.* So yes, completely removing all aspects (scorched earthing it) will cause the panels and other odd problems. But leaving certain pieces in place shouldn't (I haven't tested this) cause evolution to boot if say you went to the CLI and typed "evolution".



With that being done, install Thunderbird and have a happy :-)








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Just a note to other readers.* If you COMPLETELY UNINSTALL the packages suggested here, your gnome desktop will not load and you cannot run any programs and the only fix is a clean reinstall.

You must chose to remove, not completely remove.


Enjoy.

Michael

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On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 22:14 -0700, michael wilson wrote:


If you go to the package installer and search on evolution you get a list of many things. If you "completely uninstall" everything that is evolution* ubuntu will not boot correctly after you log in.* After you enter your login information the desktop appears but no top and bottom bar.* So evolution cannot be completely uninstalled from the package installer.





You still need to read about the packages because many of the libraries that are used are Ubuntu libararies that evolution also makes use of.* When you search in synaptic for Evolution, It will bring up every instance of a package with evolution in either the title, and the description.* I don't have the time right now to give you a good example as I've got classes soon but do this: once Hardy is reinstalled, search for the main packages of evolution (evolution-common, evolution, evolution-data-server, and evolution-data-server-common) then remove them, (not everything that comes up in the search list).* It's just the basic packages you want to get rid of, and if you care to, the profile it creates in your /home directory.* Once you do that then yes Evolution won't start.* The panels rely on some integration with evolution as you can click on the clock for example and see your schedule etc. and I think completely removing all mention of evolution causes panels to stop working.* The GNOME team chose to INTEGRATE evolution, meaning it's part of the desktop experience.* So yes, completely removing all aspects (scorched earthing it) will cause the panels and other odd problems. But leaving certain pieces in place shouldn't (I haven't tested this) cause evolution to boot if say you went to the CLI and typed "evolution".




With that being done, install Thunderbird and have a happy :-)








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On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 12:15 -0700, michael wilson wrote:
> Just a note to other readers. If you COMPLETELY UNINSTALL the
> packages suggested here, your gnome desktop will not load and you
> cannot run any programs and the only fix is a clean reinstall.

How so? I don't believe it The difference between "completely"
uninstalling and regular uninstalling is just that doing it "completely"
also removes any configuration files that belong to the package. I doubt
that this makes a difference.

Also, NoOp posted this link
https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/13163 which suggests the
same -- and it's on answers.launchpad.net, which I expect to get some
level of review (?)


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On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 21:26 +0200, Mario Vukelic wrote:




Also, NoOp posted this link

https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/13163*which suggests the

same -- and it's on answers.launchpad.net,




Yeah, I hadn't even read the launchpad post but yes.* This version of Evolution (meaning the version runnning on ubuntu) shares files with "gnome-panels" etc.* That's why you can enter an appointment or task in the "clock" and it appears in Evolution.* They use the same files but I don't believe that those files are owned by Evolution.* It's not like windows where in theory, each program is installed with all the things it needs to run, and be self sufficient.* Many of the libraries are shared.* That's why I say to simply remove the 4 files or even let synaptic do it's job and remove what it says is connected to Evolution.* If you go in and remove every file with the mention of Evolution in it, you probably will also include files needed to run "gnome-panel" and a host of others.



HTH




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