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Old 04-28-2008, 09:42 PM
"Richard Mancusi"
 
Default Hardy OpenOffice 2.4 Save

Is there a setting in OO 2.4 to control the "greying" of the
Save button. In 2.2 the Save button was only active if changes
to your document had been made - now it's always active.

If this is the expected behavior in 2.4, I sure hope they fix
it in the next version.

tnx
-rich

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Old 04-28-2008, 09:50 PM
NoOp
 
Default Hardy OpenOffice 2.4 Save

On 04/28/2008 02:42 PM, Richard Mancusi wrote:
> Is there a setting in OO 2.4 to control the "greying" of the
> Save button. In 2.2 the Save button was only active if changes
> to your document had been made - now it's always active.
>
> If this is the expected behavior in 2.4, I sure hope they fix
> it in the next version.
>
> tnx
> -rich
>

It's a bug. There has been some discussion on the OOo lists, and there
is a bug associated with it. I'll see if I can find the bug report, but
suffice it to say that it's getting some attention :-)

Gary




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Old 04-28-2008, 10:01 PM
"Richard Mancusi"
 
Default Hardy OpenOffice 2.4 Save

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:50 PM, NoOp <glgxg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> On 04/28/2008 02:42 PM, Richard Mancusi wrote:
> > Is there a setting in OO 2.4 to control the "greying" of the
> > Save button. In 2.2 the Save button was only active if changes
> > to your document had been made - now it's always active.
> >
> > If this is the expected behavior in 2.4, I sure hope they fix
> > it in the next version.
> >
> > tnx
> > -rich
> >
>
> It's a bug. There has been some discussion on the OOo lists, and there
> is a bug associated with it. I'll see if I can find the bug report, but
> suffice it to say that it's getting some attention :-)
>
> Gary
>

Great news - you wouldn't believe the amount of user complaints I
am getting over this. Don't worry about finding the bug report - I
trust you. Good to know that they are working on it.

Thank you very much
-rich

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Old 04-28-2008, 10:18 PM
NoOp
 
Default Hardy OpenOffice 2.4 Save

On 04/28/2008 03:01 PM, Richard Mancusi wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:50 PM, NoOp <glgxg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> On 04/28/2008 02:42 PM, Richard Mancusi wrote:
>> > Is there a setting in OO 2.4 to control the "greying" of the
>> > Save button. In 2.2 the Save button was only active if changes
>> > to your document had been made - now it's always active.
>> >
>> > If this is the expected behavior in 2.4, I sure hope they fix
>> > it in the next version.
>> >
>> > tnx
>> > -rich
>> >
>>
>> It's a bug. There has been some discussion on the OOo lists, and there
>> is a bug associated with it. I'll see if I can find the bug report, but
>> suffice it to say that it's getting some attention :-)
>>
>> Gary
>>
>
> Great news - you wouldn't believe the amount of user complaints I
> am getting over this. Don't worry about finding the bug report - I
> trust you. Good to know that they are working on it.
>
> Thank you very much
> -rich
>

Here you go... all the gory details:

http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5226



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Old 04-28-2008, 10:34 PM
"Richard Mancusi"
 
Default Hardy OpenOffice 2.4 Save

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:18 PM, NoOp <glgxg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> On 04/28/2008 03:01 PM, Richard Mancusi wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:50 PM, NoOp <glgxg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 04/28/2008 02:42 PM, Richard Mancusi wrote:
> >> > Is there a setting in OO 2.4 to control the "greying" of the
> >> > Save button. In 2.2 the Save button was only active if changes
> >> > to your document had been made - now it's always active.
> >> >
> >> > If this is the expected behavior in 2.4, I sure hope they fix
> >> > it in the next version.
> >> >
> >> > tnx
> >> > -rich
> >> >
> >>
> >> It's a bug. There has been some discussion on the OOo lists, and there
> >> is a bug associated with it. I'll see if I can find the bug report, but
> >> suffice it to say that it's getting some attention :-)
> >>
> >> Gary
> >>
> >
> > Great news - you wouldn't believe the amount of user complaints I
> > am getting over this. Don't worry about finding the bug report - I
> > trust you. Good to know that they are working on it.
> >
> > Thank you very much
> > -rich
> >
>
> Here you go... all the gory details:
>
> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5226
>

That's some nasty reading! So, some folks want to be just like MS
when they grow up (perhaps down). Others apparently can't find
"Save As" when they just changed settings and not text. You have
more patients then me - I quit reading. If it wasn't suggested, how
about another flag? There is (was?) one for printing triggering the
Save icon. How about settings triggering the Save icon? Down side
is the more flags, the messier it gets. I suspect the 3.1 goal is out
there a bit. I will brace for another round of complaints.

Thanks again
-rich

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Old 04-29-2008, 02:19 AM
Shannon McMackin
 
Default Hardy OpenOffice 2.4 Save

Richard Mancusi wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:18 PM, NoOp <glgxg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 04/28/2008 03:01 PM, Richard Mancusi wrote:
>> > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:50 PM, NoOp <glgxg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 04/28/2008 02:42 PM, Richard Mancusi wrote:
>> >> > Is there a setting in OO 2.4 to control the "greying" of the
>> >> > Save button. In 2.2 the Save button was only active if changes
>> >> > to your document had been made - now it's always active.
>> >> >
>> >> > If this is the expected behavior in 2.4, I sure hope they fix
>> >> > it in the next version.
>> >> >
>> >> > tnx
>> >> > -rich
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> It's a bug. There has been some discussion on the OOo lists, and there
>> >> is a bug associated with it. I'll see if I can find the bug report, but
>> >> suffice it to say that it's getting some attention :-)
>> >>
>> >> Gary
>> >>
>> >
>> > Great news - you wouldn't believe the amount of user complaints I
>> > am getting over this. Don't worry about finding the bug report - I
>> > trust you. Good to know that they are working on it.
>> >
>> > Thank you very much
>> > -rich
>> >
>>
>> Here you go... all the gory details:
>>
>> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5226
>>
>
> That's some nasty reading! So, some folks want to be just like MS
> when they grow up (perhaps down). Others apparently can't find
> "Save As" when they just changed settings and not text. You have
> more patients then me - I quit reading. If it wasn't suggested, how
> about another flag? There is (was?) one for printing triggering the
> Save icon. How about settings triggering the Save icon? Down side
> is the more flags, the messier it gets. I suspect the 3.1 goal is out
> there a bit. I will brace for another round of complaints.
>
> Thanks again
> -rich
>
Rich,

I don't get it. Why is the state of the "Save as" button such a big
deal as it seems to be?

I've noticed a few subtle differences with this new 2.4, but not enough
to complain as much as you say people are...

Go figure...


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Old 04-29-2008, 02:45 AM
NoOp
 
Default Hardy OpenOffice 2.4 Save

On 04/28/2008 07:19 PM, Shannon McMackin wrote:
> Richard Mancusi wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:18 PM, NoOp wrote:

>>> Here you go... all the gory details:
>>>
>>> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5226
>>>
>>
>> That's some nasty reading! So, some folks want to be just like MS
>> when they grow up (perhaps down). Others apparently can't find
>> "Save As" when they just changed settings and not text. You have
>> more patients then me - I quit reading. If it wasn't suggested, how
>> about another flag? There is (was?) one for printing triggering the
>> Save icon. How about settings triggering the Save icon? Down side
>> is the more flags, the messier it gets. I suspect the 3.1 goal is out
>> there a bit. I will brace for another round of complaints.
>>
>> Thanks again
>> -rich
>>
> Rich,
>
> I don't get it. Why is the state of the "Save as" button such a big
> deal as it seems to be?
>
> I've noticed a few subtle differences with this new 2.4, but not enough
> to complain as much as you say people are...
>
> Go figure...
>
>

If you read the bug report, it's a pretty hotly contested issue :-)

That said; I've just checked and this seems to have been fixed in the
standard OOo 2.4.0 and OOo 3.0Beta, so it appears to be an (U)OOo 2.4.0
issue.

My tests just now show:

- OOo 2.3.1; icon is grey until a single paragraph is entered[*]
- OOo 2.4.0; icon is grey until a single paragraph is entered
- OOo 3.0B; icon is grey until a single paragraph is entered
- (U)OOo 2.4.0; icon is continuously lit

Rich: I'd file an Ubuntu bug w/reference to the above tests, and
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5226
[*] Meaning; enter a single character and hit enter.


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Old 04-29-2008, 03:08 AM
"Richard Mancusi"
 
Default Hardy OpenOffice 2.4 Save

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Shannon McMackin <smcmackin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Rich,
>
> I don't get it. Why is the state of the "Save as" button such a big
> deal as it seems to be?
>
> I've noticed a few subtle differences with this new 2.4, but not enough
> to complain as much as you say people are...
>
> Go figure...
>

My users like to glance up and see that their data has been saved. When
they are immersed in thought while writing something it is easy to forget
to save.

Frankly, I probably caused this problem as I moved folks from MS to Linux.
I gave examples of how MS had no idea of what was going on but Linux
did. This save icon was one example which is now getting stuck in my
ear. But my favorite is the mouse:

I would take them to Win Explorer (folder view) and have them scroll their
mouse on the left side. And then move to the right side and scroll again.
Guess what happens - the left side still scrolls. You have to click the mouse
on the side you want to scroll to tell MS where the mouse is.

Then I would take them to a Linux box and show them the difference. They
were very surprised. I called this a foundation problem. Amazing that
Bill didn't even know where the mouse was unless you told him. On rare
occasion some of my Linux users use a Win box and then comment about
the mouse. Hey it's just one click - but it now drives them crazy.

All that said - I am the guilty party. I taught them that Linux had a better
foundation and was much more aware of what was going on. It's something
like power windows on your car. You really don't need them and in an
accident you would probably be better off with the crank. But who wants
to give them up once you have used them?

-rich

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Old 04-29-2008, 03:21 AM
"Richard Mancusi"
 
Default Hardy OpenOffice 2.4 Save

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 9:45 PM, NoOp <glgxg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> If you read the bug report, it's a pretty hotly contested issue :-)
>
> That said; I've just checked and this seems to have been fixed in the
> standard OOo 2.4.0 and OOo 3.0Beta, so it appears to be an (U)OOo 2.4.0
> issue.
>
> My tests just now show:
>
> - OOo 2.3.1; icon is grey until a single paragraph is entered[*]
> - OOo 2.4.0; icon is grey until a single paragraph is entered
> - OOo 3.0B; icon is grey until a single paragraph is entered
> - (U)OOo 2.4.0; icon is continuously lit
>
> Rich: I'd file an Ubuntu bug w/reference to the above tests, and
>
> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5226
>
>[*] Meaning; enter a single character and hit enter.
>

Interesting - The bug report shows Target Milestone = 3.1
I figured that meant when they planned to fix it - but it's
done already - I guess it was hotly contested!

To be honest, I haven't had much luck with Ubuntu bugs. I
still have an open bug from Alpha-4 that has magically gone
away. I may take a shot at this one to eliminate all the grief
I am taking.

tnx - I appreciate your help and time
-rich

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