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Old 08-23-2012, 06:33 PM
Andrew PAxson
 
Default startx and AMD ATI m98L issues

Hey There
I am at my wits end. I have been trying to install ubuntu 12.04 for well over two weeks onto my 27" iMac.
My System is:27" iMac (Late 2009)
Intel i7 Core Processor4 GB RAM1 TB Hard Drive (50GB for Ubuntu and 350GB Shared Storage)ATI Radeon HD 4850
The Problem:Its been a grpahics nightmare. Not driver seems to do the trick and I feel like I am missing some step. I have added the*
radeon.modset=0 nomodeset to my grub I have tried installing the proprietary drivers and the Catalyst (12.6-12.8) and so many other things. I could use some support and figuring!I even tried install 10.04 which work when I installed the Catalyst 12.6 produced a DE and GUI but the graphics were tearing and ghosting when I move windows so I though updating to 12.04 would help. Nope.*

NOTE: I can't install using the LiveCD so I have had to install the Command-Line System and build the nesscary packages from their. MY steps were1. Install CMD Line2.Install Updates
3. Install build-essential, pythong-essential-properties then Ubuntu Desktop4. Then install driver and restart and pray
I hope someone can help me out!
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Old 08-23-2012, 07:26 PM
Liam Proven
 
Default startx and AMD ATI m98L issues

On 23 August 2012 19:33, Andrew PAxson <paxsonsa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> NOTE: I can't install using the LiveCD

OK, let's start here.

Why not? What happens?

> so I have had to install the
> Command-Line System and build the nesscary packages from their.

WHAT?! No you don't! Just use the Alternate CD. Installs the full
desktop but using a text-based installer.

Or, install Ubuntu Server and install the desktop with a single command:

sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop

If you're building anything, to quote a popular meme...

YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG
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Old 08-23-2012, 10:29 PM
Andrew PAxson
 
Default startx and AMD ATI m98L issues

Hey Liam,
Thanks for your response!
First Answer:Why I can't install you using the LiveCD?
Problem is when I use the LiveCD (or USB) somewhere in the Disc it tells it to*switch to the display port output. I think it has to do with the way Apple connect or labels the Main Screen and Display Port. Unforntunately I do not have a second monitor to check this but there is a bug report thats been release (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/542660) the bug is for imac i5 but I dont whether its an i5 or i7 makes a difference. Seems to be a specific era of imacs too mostly late 2008 to mid 2010 that are effected.*

As for the Second half! Lol I think you miss understood. I am using the Alternate CD to install a OCmmand-Line System. Its the full ubuntu without *the ubuntu desktop. So all I have to do is (in theory) is*

[code] sudo apt-get install build-essential ubuntu-desktop python-essential-properties [code]
Then just install the drivers!





On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Liam Proven <lproven@gmail.com> wrote:

On 23 August 2012 19:33, Andrew PAxson <paxsonsa@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> NOTE:

OK, let's start here.



Why not? What happens?



> so I have had to install the

> Command-Line System and build the nesscary packages from their.



WHAT?! No you don't! Just use the Alternate CD. Installs the full

desktop but using a text-based installer.



Or, install Ubuntu Server and install the desktop with a single command:



sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop



If you're building anything, to quote a popular meme...



YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG

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Old 08-23-2012, 11:40 PM
Andrew Paxson
 
Default startx and AMD ATI m98L issues

Andrew Paxson


On 2012-08-23, at 16:28, Liam Proven <lproven@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 24 August 2012 00:25, Andrew PAxson <paxsonsa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Liam Proven <lproven@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 23 August 2012 23:29, Andrew PAxson <paxsonsa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hey Liam,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your response!
>>>>
>>>> First Answer:
>>>> Why I can't install you using the LiveCD?
>>>>
>>>> Problem is when I use the LiveCD (or USB) somewhere in the Disc it tells
>>>> it
>>>> to switch to the display port output. I think it has to do with the way
>>>> Apple connect or labels the Main Screen and Display Port. Unforntunately
>>>> I
>>>> do not have a second monitor to check this but there is a bug report
>>>> thats
>>>> been release
>>>> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/542660)
>>>> the bug is for imac i5 but I dont whether its an i5 or i7 makes a
>>>> difference. Seems to be a specific era of imacs too mostly late 2008 to
>>>> mid
>>>> 2010 that are effected.
>>>
>>> Ah, okay. That's a pain but fair enough.
>>>
>>>> As for the Second half! Lol I think you miss understood. I am using the
>>>> Alternate CD to install a OCmmand-Line System. Its the full ubuntu
>>>> without
>>>> the ubuntu desktop. So all I have to do is (in theory) is
>>>>
>>>> [code] sudo apt-get install build-essential ubuntu-desktop
>>>> python-essential-properties [code]
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, that's not how it works. I am afraid that you are the one that
>>> does not understand.
>>>
>>> The official Alternate CD does not install a command-line only system.
>>> It installs a normal, full, graphical system.
>>>
>>> The Server CD installs a command-line-only system.
>>>
>>> Also, please bottom-quote on this list. Your reply goes /underneath/
>>> the quote text, not above.
>>>
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>>
>>
>> Hey Liam Sorry I typed the last email on my phone and it didn't it
>> automatically types the process above. Sorry about that.
>> But I guess I did miss understand. So What I have done is this I read
>> through the bug report and your email. I have erased my partition of 12.04
>> and decided to step back. I am currently installing 10.04 LTS from the
>> alternate CD using the text based installer. After it finishes I am going to
>> reboot and at the Grub menu choose recovery mode and hit 'e' and replace '
>> quiet splash' with 'radeon-modeset=0 nomodeset' From what I am understanding
>> about the bug is that Apple labels their ports differently and because apple
>> does't release configuration plans of their hardware its hard to determine
>> what needs to be changed in the kernel. Here's what I am going to try and
>> do. First get into the desktop enviroment via the recovery mode and using
>> nomodeset in grub. Then install the proprietary drivers. Reboot and boot
>> normally and see if it doesn't work still. If it does great goog night if
>> not I am going to try and update the kernel. I don't believe this is a
>> driver issue as much as a kernel issue but I am also very new to the linux
>> monolithic kernel and linux in general. Point is i need my graphics card and
>> more importantly desktop to work at top knotch and there has to be a way.
>> There is always a way in Linux. Lemme know if you have any ideas!
>>
>> Andrew
>> paxsonsa@gmail.com
>> 3D95Andrew@vfs.com
>
> OK, no worries. I prefer to keep it on the list, though, if that's OK
> with you - not from any privacy thing, but if there is stuff that I
> miss or that I get plain wrong, others can leap in and correct me. :¬)
>
> Is that OK with you? If so, I'll reply there.
>
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Hey Liam,

Oh yea that's fine with me I actually forgot to add them in. So yes feel free to keep it on the list
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Old 08-24-2012, 01:07 AM
Andrew PAxson
 
Default startx and AMD ATI m98L issues

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Liam Proven <lproven@gmail.com> wrote:

[Offlist reply moved back onlist, with consent]



On 24 August 2012 00:25, Andrew PAxson <paxsonsa@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> Hey Liam Sorry I typed the last email on my phone and it didn't it

> automatically types the process above. Sorry about that.



Ah, right. In that case, don't worry. I am cursed to have an iPhone, too. :¬(



(Hint: if you download the official Gmail app, it can bottom-quote -

but I find it really slow.)



> But I guess I did miss understand. So What I have done is this I read

> through the bug report and your email. I have erased my partition of 12.04

> and decided to step back. I am currently installing 10.04 LTS from the

> alternate CD using the text based installer.



Er, well, OK, you can if you want, but I don't think that a 2010 OS is

going to cope well with a newer iMac.



> After it finishes I am going to

> reboot and at the Grub menu choose recovery mode and hit 'e' and replace '

> quiet splash' with 'radeon-modeset=0 nomodeset' From what I am understanding

> about the bug is that Apple labels their ports differently and because apple

> does't release configuration plans of their hardware its hard to determine

> what needs to be changed in the kernel. Here's what I am going to try and

> do. First get into the desktop enviroment via the recovery mode and using

> nomodeset in grub. Then install the proprietary drivers. Reboot and boot

> normally and see if it doesn't work still. If it does great goog night if

> not I am going to try and update the kernel.



OK. So far so good. That's also what I'd try with 12.04, basically.



If it doesn't work, you can also start X using its "bulletproof"

failsafe mode. Instructions here:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BulletProofX



This is getting the GUI to start in VESA mode, with no driver at all

installed. I have used this method successfully to get Ubuntu 11.04

working on a machine with an AMD Fusion APU, which was not

well-supported at all on Linux at that time.



You can also switch to a text console using Ctrl-Alt-F1 if the GUI is

not visible and install stuff from the command line - Google should

provide more details. I am not sure if the Catalyst drivers can be

installed this way, though.



However, the main point is that if you are using the Alternate CD (and

*not* the server CD) then you don't need to install the desktop, nor

build-essen. They should already be there.



Another option might be to try to install the server version, update

it /first/ and /then/ install ubuntu-desktop.



> I don't believe this is a

> driver issue as much as a kernel issue



Sounds like a graphics driver issue to me, but I can't say for sure; I

don't own an Intel Mac and have never run Linux on my Macs except in

order to install Morphos. TBH with an OS as pleasing as Mac OS X, I've

never felt any need for Linux.



> but I am also very new to the linux

> monolithic kernel and linux in general. Point is i need my graphics card and

> more importantly desktop to work at top knotch and there has to be a way.

> There is always a way in Linux. Lemme know if you have any ideas!



Well, TBH, Ubuntu probably isn't the best OS for a Mac and a Mac isn't

the best machine to run Ubuntu.



Also, it might be worth seeing if you can borrow an external monitor

for a short time, just to get it installed and working.



But you shouldn't need the dev tools or to compile anything just to

get the desktop installed. Possibly to build bits of Catalyst but I

don't remember seeing that... Can anyone comment on this?



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Well I just installed 10.04 with decent success (this link is exactly what I did within the last 6 hours*https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/542660/comments/109)

Main reason for a Linux move is simplly because my industry (Visual Effect for Film) is moving toward linux and so I am exploring the possibilities plus the programs we (I) mostly use were developed and built on linux systems for linux so they tend to be more stable plus I dont care for the way apple and windows are going with there OS. They are both beautiful but they are just screwing themselves over on the framework. As for the monitor if I can find one I will use it but really my ideal goal. But do you have a preference for a stable linux OS on mac?*

Thanks for the help!


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