On 30 July 2012 20:27, Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> wrote:
You're wanting to have google earth running on your milling machine setup??
I think that would blow the dickens out of "latency" overall. It's a
blooming monster that traditionally eats up cpu and ram like a junkyard
goat.
Yes, I did wonder about that myself...
But, bottom line, you need accelerated graphics, and a bunch of vram
would help. Nouveau still doesn't do that. I bought an nVidia card with 2
gigs of vram for under $50. <cackles> Ric
Also true.
IOW, have a CNC control machine & a separate desktop / surfing box.
Far more sensible.
You should see pics of Gene's setup. Ric
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07-30-2012, 08:04 PM
Gene Heskett
google-earth anybody?
On Monday 30 July 2012 15:51:05 Ric Moore did opine:
> On 07/30/2012 05:20 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 30 July 2012 04:16:55 Ric Moore did opine:
> >> On 07/29/2012 03:05 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >>> Greetings all;
> >>>
> >>> I first tried to dl and install with dpkg, the current version from
> >>> google. No dice, can't find its binary pieces, bales out.
> >>>
> >>> Then I found the make-googleearth-package utility and installed
> >>> that, then ran it, which downloaded yet another copy from google.
> >>> Then it failed, missing dependency's. Fired up synaptic, used fix
> >>> broken to pull in several other bit & pieces. Re-ran the make
> >>> script, bailed out on versions & recommended I use the --force
> >>> option.
> >>>
> >>> That squawked about 200 or so libraries it couldn't find the
> >>> versions of, but made a package anyway, so I installed it.
> >>>
> >>> Now it fusses about lack of direct-x availability, which I assume
> >>> nouveau doesn't have, but regardless of which box I check on the
> >>> startup requester, google-earth's startup advisory box just goes
> >>> away.
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone succeeded in making google-earth run on a ubuntu
> >>> 10.04-4-122- rtai system?
> >>
> >> Gene, ole buddy, ole friend. Why are you using Nouveau and expecting
> >> it to do useful stuff? Don't make me come up to WV to hurt you. Use
> >> "additional drivers" and get your nVidia card installed correctly.
> >> It's not like you ever listened to Stallman anyway. <chuckles> Ric
> >
> > Well, its not like it isn't working pretty well these days Ric. Not
> > quite as fast as the nvidia driver, but a hell of a lot less hassle.
> > But the main reason is that the nvidia driver gets some of its speed
> > by totally locking out the IRQ's for hundreds of microseconds at a
> > time. I know for a fact that it is absolutely verboten if you want
> > to be able to move stepper motors more than 3 or 4 rpms with self
> > generated steps.
>
> You're wanting to have google earth running on your milling machine
> setup?? I think that would blow the dickens out of "latency" overall.
> It's a blooming monster that traditionally eats up cpu and ram like a
> junkyard goat. But, bottom line, you need accelerated graphics, and a
> bunch of vram would help. Nouveau still doesn't do that. I bought an
> nVidia card with 2 gigs of vram for under $50. <cackles> Ric
No silly. I am running that specific distro because I might stand a chance
of having compatibility between all these machines, it was hell trying to
translate what I was doing, or could not do on an rpm based system, when I
could in fact do well on the milling machine or lathes boxes.
The theory being that if I could run freecad (which gets about 2 updates a
week) on one of those boxes, then I could do it here too, something I could
not do when running pclos on this machine. Ditto for eagle, OpenSCAD,
HeeksCAD/HeeksCNC, it all runs on this box NOW. pclos is a great distro
for the social stuffs, but it fails miserably when it comes to the
productivity stuff.
So no, no metal carving machines are being operated by this machine, and
likely never will be. Big Iron when I built it yes, capable of running
even small iron well, no. Not without offloading much of the control to
dedicated boards.
Cheers, Gene
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07-30-2012, 08:08 PM
Gene Heskett
google-earth anybody?
On Monday 30 July 2012 16:05:44 Liam Proven did opine:
> On 30 July 2012 20:27, Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> wrote:
> > You're wanting to have google earth running on your milling machine
> > setup?? I think that would blow the dickens out of "latency" overall.
> > It's a blooming monster that traditionally eats up cpu and ram like a
> > junkyard goat.
>
> Yes, I did wonder about that myself...
>
> > But, bottom line, you need accelerated graphics, and a bunch of vram
> > would help. Nouveau still doesn't do that. I bought an nVidia card
> > with 2 gigs of vram for under $50. <cackles> Ric
>
> Also true.
>
> IOW, have a CNC control machine & a separate desktop / surfing box.
> Far more sensible.
I am, but whats wrong with running the same distro on all 3 or 4 machines?
None of this BS about ubuntu does it this way, while pclos and mandriva do
it this way, and both swear on a 6 foot stack of bibles their's is the one
true way. That just adds to the stench of BS...
Cheers, Gene
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07-30-2012, 08:18 PM
Gene Heskett
google-earth anybody?
On Monday 30 July 2012 16:09:06 Ric Moore did opine:
> On 07/30/2012 03:37 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
> > On 30 July 2012 20:27, Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> You're wanting to have google earth running on your milling machine
> >> setup?? I think that would blow the dickens out of "latency"
> >> overall. It's a blooming monster that traditionally eats up cpu and
> >> ram like a junkyard goat.
> >
> > Yes, I did wonder about that myself...
> >
> >> But, bottom line, you need accelerated graphics, and a bunch of vram
> >> would help. Nouveau still doesn't do that. I bought an nVidia card
> >> with 2 gigs of vram for under $50. <cackles> Ric
> >
> > Also true.
> >
> > IOW, have a CNC control machine & a separate desktop / surfing box.
> > Far more sensible.
>
> You should see pics of Gene's setup. Ric
I "advertise" it, although some of the pix are old, in my sig, anyone with
a browser is welcome to look. All the stuff that keeps an old fart out of
the bars & staring at girls I can't do anything with.
The link "emc" is some of the machinery. When I am finished with the
cnc'ing of the lathe, I'll add some more pix. Right now I am plotting on
how to make sure the ball screw drive that is about to replace the std
10x1mm std thread profile screw that drives the cross feed, is completely
shielded from the flying swarf the lathe can create in 2 pound piles while
running one 50 line gcode program. One errant piece of dirt in the ball
screw and a $300 screw can be trashed in half an hour.
Cheers, Gene
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07-30-2012, 08:29 PM
Ric Moore
google-earth anybody?
On 07/30/2012 04:04 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
So no, no metal carving machines are being operated by this machine, and
likely never will be. Big Iron when I built it yes, capable of running
even small iron well, no. Not without offloading much of the control to
dedicated boards.
Oh, well install your nvidia drivers to it and sin no more. <grins> Ric
p/s what WOULD be interesting is running your milling system with
something like proxmox with a teeny tiny little kernel on it and run
your setup from it. Might be faster than heck when all of your desktop
chores are offloaded to a browser on another machine. You could run your
lathe from a lap top while seated on the throne or vacationing in
Quebec. Ric
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07-30-2012, 09:14 PM
Gene Heskett
google-earth anybody?
On Monday 30 July 2012 16:50:36 Ric Moore did opine:
> On 07/30/2012 04:04 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > So no, no metal carving machines are being operated by this machine,
> > and likely never will be. Big Iron when I built it yes, capable of
> > running even small iron well, no. Not without offloading much of the
> > control to dedicated boards.
>
> Oh, well install your nvidia drivers to it and sin no more. <grins> Ric
>
> p/s what WOULD be interesting is running your milling system with
> something like proxmox with a teeny tiny little kernel on it and run
> your setup from it. Might be faster than heck when all of your desktop
> chores are offloaded to a browser on another machine. You could run your
> lathe from a lap top while seated on the throne
You think I can't do that now? But there is one thing missing, a camera,
and a robot to take a measurement of a test cut, and then tell the proggy
how far off the zero mark it was. I'd need one arm to run the caliper, and
one arm to aim the camera at the caliper so I can read it.
But really, that is a poor excuse since I can buy cables that will let me
use the average $30 digital caliper by reading it out the calipers serial
port that is available by sliding a cover off the top right corner of the
caliper's display head. Your trivia factoid for the day...
The problem with a lathe is that there is no reliable method of advancing a
tool to the true centerline of the spindle and setting that to 0, plus or
minus .0001". There are no facilities that could be raised to establish
this 'zero' point, at least not with the required accuracy. One can
calibrate it so if you tell it what cutting tool is mounted, it can adjust
to match that tool, but what if the tool dulls and is replaced or
resharpened? So you may as well make the light test cut, measure it and
tell the lathe that the tool is now at 0.797" in radius or diameter, which
is not the same. The software has mode switches of course.
> or vacationing in
> Quebec. Ric
That too, but remembering all the (*&^% PW's to get to the machine from the
outside world would be a chore. Besides, I don't speak French, never got
far enough in school for that to be a required subject. So officially (my
record speaks for itself in broadcasting & electronics) I am a dummy with
an 8th grade education. People with a vested interest in higher education
simply do not understand that ones education can take place without the
confines of a school building.
Cheers, Gene
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07-31-2012, 01:16 AM
Liam Proven
google-earth anybody?
On 30 July 2012 21:18, Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> wrote:
>
> I "advertise" it, although some of the pix are old, in my sig, anyone with
> a browser is welcome to look. All the stuff that keeps an old fart out of
> the bars & staring at girls I can't do anything with.
I had a very quick look. Can't see the machine but the screenshots
seem to show Fedora with KDE...?
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07-31-2012, 01:20 AM
Liam Proven
google-earth anybody?
On 30 July 2012 21:08, Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> wrote:
>
> I am, but whats wrong with running the same distro on all 3 or 4 machines?
> None of this BS about ubuntu does it this way, while pclos and mandriva do
> it this way, and both swear on a 6 foot stack of bibles their's is the one
> true way. That just adds to the stench of BS...
By all means run the same /distro/ but there's no reason to limit your
desktop experience by restricting yourself to the constrained s/w
choice of a mill-control machine: realtime, elderly kernel etc.
I'd suggest you update the desktop machines to the full current
release & the latest kernel, which is probably something like
linux-generic-lts-backport-precise by now.
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07-31-2012, 01:50 AM
Gene Heskett
google-earth anybody?
On Monday 30 July 2012 21:36:00 Liam Proven did opine:
> On 30 July 2012 21:08, Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> wrote:
> > I am, but whats wrong with running the same distro on all 3 or 4
> > machines? None of this BS about ubuntu does it this way, while pclos
> > and mandriva do it this way, and both swear on a 6 foot stack of
> > bibles their's is the one true way. That just adds to the stench of
> > BS...
>
> By all means run the same /distro/ but there's no reason to limit your
> desktop experience by restricting yourself to the constrained s/w
> choice of a mill-control machine: realtime, elderly kernel etc.
>
> I'd suggest you update the desktop machines to the full current
> release & the latest kernel, which is probably something like
> linux-generic-lts-backport-precise by now.
>
> Better still, go to 12.04. It's a lot nicer, IMHO; if you don't like
> Unity, either install Maté or run Notalinux -
> http://www.notalinux.com/
I will switch all machines to 12.04, if and when we have a successful build
of that kernel with the rtai patches. That is precisely the major push on
the rtai list ATM. And I have a suspicion that I'd nuke unity in its
entirety, however, what will probably happen is that the linuxcnc crew will
probably respin the 12.04 release with all updates as of the respin, and
probably with a window manager and gui that isn't near as heavyweight as we
are hearing unity to be. We want to carve metal with high precision and if
the gui turns out to be somewhat less glamorous than 'modern' gui's, we
remind ourselves that all that glamor has not ever translated into parts
shipped and money in the bank. A lightweight window manager is generally
fine. Stability is worth 100x the worth of the glitz.
Now, if I could just click on send, and have this message actually off my
machine in the 3 seconds or less it should take, I'd be a happy camper. 30
to 50 seconds that it freezes is a PIMA.
Cheers, Gene
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07-31-2012, 11:26 AM
Liam Proven
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On 31 July 2012 02:50, Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> wrote:
>
> I will switch all machines to 12.04, if and when we have a successful build
> of that kernel with the rtai patches. That is precisely the major push on
> the rtai list ATM.
No rush. If 10.04 works, stay with it while it is supported.
> And I have a suspicion that I'd nuke unity in its
> entirety, however,
Sadly, many do, some without giving it a real chance. I like it myself.
If you are after a lightweight desktop within the *buntu family, try
Lubuntu. I find it very good for lower-end machines. It is
significantly lighter-weight than Xfce & needs less customisation to
be vaguely Windows-like.
> what will probably happen is that the linuxcnc crew will
> probably respin the 12.04 release with all updates as of the respin,
Fair enough.
> and
> probably with a window manager and gui that isn't near as heavyweight as we
> are hearing unity to be. We want to carve metal with high precision and if
> the gui turns out to be somewhat less glamorous than 'modern' gui's, we
> remind ourselves that all that glamor has not ever translated into parts
> shipped and money in the bank. A lightweight window manager is generally
> fine. Stability is worth 100x the worth of the glitz.
See above.
LXDE is definitely less resource-hungry than GNOME 2.
> Now, if I could just click on send, and have this message actually off my
> machine in the 3 seconds or less it should take, I'd be a happy camper. 30
> to 50 seconds that it freezes is a PIMA.
google-earth anybody?
