This is getting old. Even a stinking cell phone has Siri or iRis. I
think my USB headset is older than most cell phones and I'd like for it
to have a purpose. So, why are we getting short shrift on having a
conversation with our computers? Inquiring minds would like to know if
anything is in the pipeline? I would have thought that Unity would be
the launch pad to voice command of your computer.


If someone says it'll be in 12.10, but not 12.04, I'll go postal. Ric

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On Tue, July 24, 2012 04:03, Ric Moore wrote:
> This is getting old. Even a stinking cell phone has Siri or iRis. I
> think my USB headset is older than most cell phones and I'd like for it
> to have a purpose. So, why are we getting short shrift on having a
> conversation with our computers? Inquiring minds would like to know if
> anything is in the pipeline? I would have thought that Unity would be
> the launch pad to voice command of your computer.
>
> If someone says it'll be in 12.10, but not 12.04, I'll go postal. Ric

Ahhh yes, good old L&H Speech Products that went bankrupt in 2001.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lernout_%26_Hauspie

A small history lesson:
The technology of L&H was bought by Scansoft.
Some time later, Scansoft merged with Nuance and became Nuance
Communications. Nuance was a spin-off of the Stanford Research Institute,
which is an offshoot of a DARPA project.
Siri was made by Siri Inc, which is also an SRI offshoot.
Siri Inc and Nuance Communications worked together to integrate Siri in
the iPhone for Apple.

I'm sorry Ric, but speech technology is actually *very* hard and what you
now know as Siri is the result of over 20 years of research in artificial
intelligence, originally intended as a military project for a smart
soldier's assistant. And most of the technology is really not open source
and heavy encumbered by patents.


But did you have a technical support question or did you just want to
rant? ;-)

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On 07/24/2012 05:34 AM, Amedee Van Gasse wrote:

<snippage>


I'm sorry Ric, but speech technology is actually *very* hard and what you
now know as Siri is the result of over 20 years of research in artificial
intelligence, originally intended as a military project for a smart
soldier's assistant. And most of the technology is really not open source
and heavy encumbered by patents.


But did you have a technical support question or did you just want to
rant? ;-)


Both! If SIRI can run on a stinkin' cell phone, is there something in
the works for us?? Again, the Unity scheme seems to be made for it's
usage and I keep expecting to see it happen. It's just lacking it.


Funny thing that if the taxpayers paid for it's initial development, I
would like to think that either we get paid back from the profits on it,
or it become open source.


I know, I really don't live in this world. I'll go and check out Iris to
see what is what. This is just a general shout-out to see if anyone
knows if anything like it is coming down the pike. Ubuntu would become
really kEwL over night. Ric




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On Wed, July 25, 2012 00:29, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 07/24/2012 05:34 AM, Amedee Van Gasse wrote:
>
> <snippage>
>
>> I'm sorry Ric, but speech technology is actually *very* hard and what
>> you
>> now know as Siri is the result of over 20 years of research in
>> artificial
>> intelligence, originally intended as a military project for a smart
>> soldier's assistant. And most of the technology is really not open
>> source
>> and heavy encumbered by patents.
>>
>>
>> But did you have a technical support question or did you just want to
>> rant? ;-)
>
> Both! If SIRI can run on a stinkin' cell phone, is there something in
> the works for us?? Again, the Unity scheme seems to be made for it's
> usage and I keep expecting to see it happen. It's just lacking it.
>
> Funny thing that if the taxpayers paid for it's initial development, I
> would like to think that either we get paid back from the profits on it,
> or it become open source.

I live in Belgium, so it didn't come out of my taxes, but L&H tech was
from Belgium and afaik independent from SRI/Nuance/... until the stocks
got inflated and then they went bankrupt.

> I know, I really don't live in this world. I'll go and check out Iris to
> see what is what. This is just a general shout-out to see if anyone
> knows if anything like it is coming down the pike. Ubuntu would become
> really kEwL over night. Ric

Agreed but it is not a technical question. Some would say that there other
places that are better suited to voice your opinion. ;-)


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On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Amedee Van Gasse
<amedee-ubuntu@amedee.be> wrote:
>
> On Wed, July 25, 2012 00:29, Ric Moore wrote:
>> On 07/24/2012 05:34 AM, Amedee Van Gasse wrote:
>>
>> <snippage>
>>
>>> I'm sorry Ric, but speech technology is actually *very* hard and what
>>> you
>>> now know as Siri is the result of over 20 years of research in
>>> artificial
>>> intelligence, originally intended as a military project for a smart
>>> soldier's assistant. And most of the technology is really not open
>>> source
>>> and heavy encumbered by patents.
>>>
>>>
>>> But did you have a technical support question or did you just want to
>>> rant? ;-)
>>
>> Both! If SIRI can run on a stinkin' cell phone, is there something in
>> the works for us?? Again, the Unity scheme seems to be made for it's
>> usage and I keep expecting to see it happen. It's just lacking it.
>>
>> Funny thing that if the taxpayers paid for it's initial development, I
>> would like to think that either we get paid back from the profits on it,
>> or it become open source.
>
> I live in Belgium, so it didn't come out of my taxes, but L&H tech was
> from Belgium and afaik independent from SRI/Nuance/... until the stocks
> got inflated and then they went bankrupt.
>
>> I know, I really don't live in this world. I'll go and check out Iris to
>> see what is what. This is just a general shout-out to see if anyone
>> knows if anything like it is coming down the pike. Ubuntu would become
>> really kEwL over night. Ric
>
> Agreed but it is not a technical question. Some would say that there other
> places that are better suited to voice your opinion. ;-)

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/snip/

Both! If SIRI can run on a stinkin' cell phone, is there something in
the works for us?? Again, the Unity scheme seems to be made for it's
usage and I keep expecting to see it happen. It's just lacking it.


/snip/

Point of information: Is SIRI really smarts in the phone, or is it just a
connection to a human operator somewhere?

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On 2012-07-26 19:24, Doug wrote:

/snip/
Both! If SIRI can run on a stinkin' cell phone, is there something
in
the works for us?? Again, the Unity scheme seems to be made for
it's

usage and I keep expecting to see it happen. It's just lacking it.


/snip/

Point of information: Is SIRI really smarts in the phone, or is it
just a

connection to a human operator somewhere?

--doug


Neither.

The phone transmits a recording to a server. The server does voice
recognition on the sound bits, and tries to send back some relevant
data.


Personally I don't fancy talking to a machine in this way, so I don't
see why the OP would want to. Unless he is really short of a
conversation, maybe.


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On 07/25/2012 05:21 PM, Amedee Van Gasse wrote:


On Wed, July 25, 2012 00:29, Ric Moore wrote:

On 07/24/2012 05:34 AM, Amedee Van Gasse wrote:

<snippage>


I'm sorry Ric, but speech technology is actually *very* hard and what
you
now know as Siri is the result of over 20 years of research in
artificial
intelligence, originally intended as a military project for a smart
soldier's assistant. And most of the technology is really not open
source
and heavy encumbered by patents.


But did you have a technical support question or did you just want to
rant? ;-)


Both! If SIRI can run on a stinkin' cell phone, is there something in
the works for us?? Again, the Unity scheme seems to be made for it's
usage and I keep expecting to see it happen. It's just lacking it.

Funny thing that if the taxpayers paid for it's initial development, I
would like to think that either we get paid back from the profits on it,
or it become open source.


I live in Belgium, so it didn't come out of my taxes, but L&H tech was
from Belgium and afaik independent from SRI/Nuance/... until the stocks
got inflated and then they went bankrupt.


I know, I really don't live in this world. I'll go and check out Iris to
see what is what. This is just a general shout-out to see if anyone
knows if anything like it is coming down the pike. Ubuntu would become
really kEwL over night. Ric


Agreed but it is not a technical question. Some would say that there other
places that are better suited to voice your opinion. ;-)


As I mentioned, it was a "shout-out" to the list ~asking~
So, I found this:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/vedics/
...which is a still in beta project by two college students that just
about almost works. It won't work with XFCE that I can tell. It works
with the gnome desktop. Java must be installed. I ran it directly from a
terminal so I could see what it was doing. Microphone must be
operational. It kinda hit and missed on my voice commands. I hardly got
it doing much of anything. But, it almost did! Plus, the last update was
about a year ago. Still, it shows promise!! I hope they get back to
developing this or someone pick it up. There are youtube videos showing
it working just fine on 10.4 just search on 'vedics linux'. Pretty
darn neat. Now, if it would talk back. Ric

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On 07/26/2012 02:26 PM, Patrick Asselman wrote:

On 2012-07-26 19:24, Doug wrote:

/snip/

Both! If SIRI can run on a stinkin' cell phone, is there something in
the works for us?? Again, the Unity scheme seems to be made for it's
usage and I keep expecting to see it happen. It's just lacking it.


/snip/

Point of information: Is SIRI really smarts in the phone, or is it
just a
connection to a human operator somewhere?

--doug


Neither.

The phone transmits a recording to a server. The server does voice
recognition on the sound bits, and tries to send back some relevant data.

Personally I don't fancy talking to a machine in this way, so I don't
see why the OP would want to. Unless he is really short of a
conversation, maybe.


I had no clue it operated like that. I thought it was a REAL FANCY Issac
Asimov style application. So, we need a server version too! Ric




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On Thu, July 26, 2012 21:09, Ric Moore wrote:

> So, I found this:
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/vedics/
> ...which is a still in beta project by two college students that just
> about almost works. It won't work with XFCE that I can tell. It works
> with the gnome desktop. Java must be installed. I ran it directly from a
> terminal so I could see what it was doing. Microphone must be
> operational. It kinda hit and missed on my voice commands. I hardly got
> it doing much of anything. But, it almost did! Plus, the last update was
> about a year ago. Still, it shows promise!! I hope they get back to
> developing this or someone pick it up. There are youtube videos showing
> it working just fine on 10.4 just search on 'vedics linux'. Pretty
> darn neat. Now, if it would talk back. Ric

There are probably lots of little projects that are in perpetual beta. I
wouldn't consider any one of them to be of the same production quality as
most Ubuntu software. Still, interesting to know about.


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