On Jul/23/2012 4:5351 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 22/07/12 12:47, AV3 wrote:
On Jul/21/2012 3:5859 PM, Robert Holtzm wrote:
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 10:41:51AM -0400, AV3 wrote:
         ........snip........
In a well-moderated newsgroup a moderator maintains minimally polite
relevance. Recently in one such newsgroup, an arrogant teenager
making snide comments and announcing himself a member of the
development group was publicly reproached and probably privately
told to restrict his comments and claims, because his subsequent
contributions were fewer and quite modest. Hopefully, moderation
will make him a better adult.
Often a moderator will announce the closing of a thread that has
become irrelevant to the group description by off-topic or impolite
discussion. The moderator(s) performs a difficult and time-consuming
task out of loyalty to the group and topic.
What you're referring to are mailing lists, not newsgroups. You're
reading the lists on gmane using T'bird in NNTP mode. The tip off should
be the address you sent your post to: ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com.
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                ^^^^^
Pardon my ignorance. I thought message groups exchanged messages by
e-mail. To access those messages I subscribe to message groups run by
organizations and interest groups I belong to. I was a moderator for
one such Yahoogroup. Various groups send me contributions to the group
or summaries, as I request.
The full name for my access to gmane is news.gmane.org, and I access
it through T-bird newsgroups. Its messages are only to be read by news
applications like T-bird and MT-Newswatcher on my Mac. That is true
for a number of nntp and news lists I subscribe to. There is an iPad
application, too, but I am only experimenting with using it. I think
there is a gmane-message-group, but I have had no occasion to visit
gmane's web page, if there is one.
Both species of messages can be accessed by browser on-line in
archives. I believe that is an alternative way of participating,
certainly for Yahoogroups. Browser reading and posting merges the two
species.
BTW, I well remember the obnoxious adolescent you mentioned. Don't
remember what list he polluted but he was roasted in short order. His
posts became a lot more acceptable thereafter.
I was being coy. This was the list, and it was my way of thanking the
hard-working, self-sacrificing moderator(s) concerned.
/quote
Gmane (pronounced "mane") is an e-mail to news gateway. It allows users
to access electronic mailing lists as if they were Usenet newsgroups,
and also through a variety of web interfaces. Gmane is an archive; it
never expires messages (unless explicitly requested by users). Gmane
also supports importing list postings made prior to a list's inclusion
on the service.
/unquote
Note the statement that, "... Gmane is an archive."
However, the most interesting part about this, ubuntu users mail list is
what is found here:
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user
where is shows that ubuntu, unlike any other mail list which I have
belonged to, allows any Tom, Dick, and Harry to post to the list (this
list) without having to first subscribe to it - and which, to me at
least, means that nobody who is accessing this list can be thrown off
because they don't appear on the subscription list. In order
words...Moderators: pphhhtttttt! and "up yours!"
Here is the bit which shows this, "Status posting allowed".
And which is why, AV3, you are posting here thru gmane.
news.gmane.org is more versatile than news groups, but in Thunderbird it
functions like pure newsgroups news.sunsite.dk and news.aioe.org, to
which I subscribe in exactly the same manner. As a very infrequent
contributor (I have lost the ability to install Ubuntu on a partition of
my MacBookPro5,3), I just had to respond to an e-mail request from gmane
to confirm my existence in order to have the right to post. I suppose
that demand came from an automaton, not a human moderator.
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