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Old 07-09-2012, 08:30 AM
Mika Suomalainen
 
Default Did Ubuntu made bet on a dead horse? I wonder...

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On 08.07.2012 23:56, Jared Norris wrote:
> On 9 July 2012 05:51, Juan R. de Silva <juan.r.d.silva@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>> After reading this today:
>>>
>>> http://tiny.cc/4p74gw
>>>
>>> I wonder if the last Ubuntu decision to replace Evolution with
>>> Thunderbird and Lighting as its default email and calendar
>>> suite was a wrong bet.
>>>
>>> Luckily I never used Thunderbird, since I never liked neither
>>> it nor Lighting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> Please, can everyone please read the FAQ [1] before posting to the
> list. I don't know how many times I need to reference it before it
> gets read. Posting random links to the mailing list and seeking
> discussion is not what this list is for. This is a technical
> support list. If you want to discuss random web links there are
> many other places to do this online.
>
> [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuUsersListFAQ

As place where to discuss about links, I would suggest
irc://irc.freenode.net/#ubuntu-offtopic . You need IRC client like
XChat to use that link.

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Old 07-09-2012, 08:35 AM
Mihamina Rakotomandimby
 
Default Did Ubuntu made bet on a dead horse? I wonder...

On 07/08/2012 10:51 PM, Juan R. de Silva wrote:

Luckily I never used Thunderbird, since I never liked neither it nor
Lighting.


It would be a very good thing to stick on stability/security.

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Old 07-09-2012, 08:43 AM
Mika Suomalainen
 
Default Did Ubuntu made bet on a dead horse? I wonder...

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On 09.07.2012 02:12, Students wrote:
> On Ubuntu 12.04 I've lost many mail. It just gets deleted.

Have you checked is there a bug report about that? If there isn't,
maybe you should report it.

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Old 07-09-2012, 08:47 AM
Mika Suomalainen
 
Default Did Ubuntu made bet on a dead horse? I wonder...

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On 09.07.2012 03:10, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
> Could you point me to at least one for Ubuntu users, please?

irc://irc.ubuntu.com/#ubuntu-offtopic

See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat

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Old 07-09-2012, 08:47 AM
Mika Suomalainen
 
Default Did Ubuntu made bet on a dead horse? I wonder...

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On 09.07.2012 11:47, Mika Suomalainen wrote:
> On 09.07.2012 03:10, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
>>> Could you point me to at least one for Ubuntu users, please?
> irc://irc.ubuntu.com/#ubuntu-offtopic
>
> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat

Sorry, I forgot http://ubuntuforums.org/

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Old 07-09-2012, 08:52 AM
Mika Suomalainen
 
Default Did Ubuntu made bet on a dead horse? I wonder...

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On 09.07.2012 04:31, Bahn, Nathan wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Juan R. de Silva
> <juan.r.d.silva@gmail.com <mailto:juan.r.d.silva@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 06:56:32 +1000, Jared Norris wrote:
>
>> Please, can everyone please read the FAQ [1] before posting to
>> the
> list.
>> I don't know how many times I need to reference it before it
>> gets
> read.
>> Posting random links to the mailing list and seeking discussion
>> is not what this list is for. This is a technical support list.
>
> I admit, posting a link to an article without saying a word - what
> it was about, was a mistake. The subject line could be sounding
> kind of critical as well. My apologies.
>
> The article is informing about Mozzila decision to stop support of
> the further development of Thunderbird (and apparently Lighting?).
>
> I thought such news might be of high interest for those Ubuntu
> users, who did not jump yet blindly into transferring PIM data into
> Thunderbird, after Ubuntu decision to switch to it, but who still
> could be considering doing so. Apparently the news may save them a
> lot of time and efforts.
>
> I also thought that bringing it to the attention of the community
> could save this very list from numerous technical support requests,
> which could flood it in the future due to such a change in Mozilla
> plans. (I would be surprised if changes in Ubuntu would not
> follow.)
>
>> If you want to discuss random web links there are many other
>> places to do this online.
>
> Could you point me to at least one for Ubuntu users, please?
>
>
>
>
> www.groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/bikeshed
> <http://www.groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#%21forum/bikeshed>
>
> if that link doesn't work, then go to www.groups.google.com
> <http://www.groups.google.com> and look up "bikeshed." by the way,
> plz don't mind Jared Norris; it's true that he's an officious ass,
> but he's harmless.

You should read [Ubuntu Code of Conduct] and the HTML part from
[Ubuntu Mailing list guidelines].

[Ubuntu Code of
Conduct]:http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct
[Ubuntu Mailing list
guidelines]:http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists

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Old 07-09-2012, 09:14 AM
Alexander Skwar
 
Default Did Ubuntu made bet on a dead horse? I wonder...

Hi

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Mika Suomalainen
<mika.henrik.mainio@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>
> On 09.07.2012 04:31, Bahn, Nathan wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Juan R. de Silva
>> <juan.r.d.silva@gmail.com <mailto:juan.r.d.silva@gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 06:56:32 +1000, Jared Norris wrote:
>>
>>> Please, can everyone please read the FAQ [1] before posting to
>>> the
>> list.
>>> I don't know how many times I need to reference it before it
>>> gets
>> read.
>>> Posting random links to the mailing list and seeking discussion
>>> is not what this list is for. This is a technical support list.
>>
>> I admit, posting a link to an article without saying a word - what
>> it was about, was a mistake. The subject line could be sounding
>> kind of critical as well. My apologies.
>>
>> The article is informing about Mozzila decision to stop support of
>> the further development of Thunderbird (and apparently Lighting?).
>>
>> I thought such news might be of high interest for those Ubuntu
>> users, who did not jump yet blindly into transferring PIM data into
>> Thunderbird, after Ubuntu decision to switch to it, but who still
>> could be considering doing so. Apparently the news may save them a
>> lot of time and efforts.
>>
>> I also thought that bringing it to the attention of the community
>> could save this very list from numerous technical support requests,
>> which could flood it in the future due to such a change in Mozilla
>> plans. (I would be surprised if changes in Ubuntu would not
>> follow.)
>>
>>> If you want to discuss random web links there are many other
>>> places to do this online.
>>
>> Could you point me to at least one for Ubuntu users, please?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> www.groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/bikeshed
>> <http://www.groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#%21forum/bikeshed>
>>
>> if that link doesn't work, then go to www.groups.google.com
>> <http://www.groups.google.com> and look up "bikeshed." by the way,
>> plz don't mind Jared Norris; it's true that he's an officious ass,
>> but he's harmless.
>
> You should read [Ubuntu Code of Conduct] and the HTML part from
> [Ubuntu Mailing list guidelines].

You know, that sounds "somewhat" funny, from someone who
doesn't trim quotes and has a GPG signature, which is longer
than the text it accompanies… For me, this GPG stuff is more
annoying than HTML.

Just sayin'.

Alexander

>
> [Ubuntu Code of
> Conduct]:http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct
> [Ubuntu Mailing list
> guidelines]:http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists
>
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> read emails very much.
> The best time to contact me is probably weekends when I have better
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:57 AM
Tom H
 
Default Did Ubuntu made bet on a dead horse? I wonder...

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:14 AM, Alexander Skwar
<alexanders.mailinglists+nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Mika Suomalainen
> <mika.henrik.mainio@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You should read [Ubuntu Code of Conduct] and the HTML part from
>> [Ubuntu Mailing list guidelines].
>
> You know, that sounds "somewhat" funny, from someone who
> doesn't trim quotes and has a GPG signature, which is longer
> than the text it accompanies… For me, this GPG stuff is more
> annoying than HTML.

+1

Furthermore the prohibition of html is (unfortunately) not absolute:

"Avoid sending emails in HTML format, if possible"

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Old 07-09-2012, 11:00 AM
Mika Suomalainen
 
Default Did Ubuntu made bet on a dead horse? I wonder...

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09.07.2012 12:57, Tom H kirjoitti:
>> You know, that sounds "somewhat" funny, from someone who doesn't
>> trim quotes and has a GPG signature, which is longer than the
>> text it accompanies… For me, this GPG stuff is more annoying than
>> HTML.

Could you tell me what I should have trimmed? I sometimes don't know
whether I should or shouldn't include something in quotes.

This mailing list doesn't even give any options how PGP signature can
be included, see bug #996581 at Launchpad. INLINE works for me, so I
use it like I have told in one gpg comment. About that GPG comment, I
will continue following what I have told in it and not replying to
anything related to it.

I cannot affect what other people see or don't see as annoying.


Will someone now complain about hijacking thread? If yes, please fix
the subject line by yourself, because I don't know what I should put
in it.

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gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 4DB53CFE82A46728
Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A AA65 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728
http://mkaysi.github.com/
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Comment: Fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A AA65 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728
Comment: Why do I (clear)sign emails? http://git.io/6FLzWg
Comment: Please send plaintext instead of HTML. http://git.io/TAc0cg
Comment: Please don't toppost. http://git.io/7-VB3g
Comment: Please remove PGP lines in replies. http://git.io/nvHrDg
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Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/

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Old 07-09-2012, 05:24 PM
Ric Moore
 
Default Did Ubuntu made bet on a dead horse? I wonder...

On 07/09/2012 05:14 AM, Alexander Skwar wrote:

Hi

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Mika Suomalainen
<mika.henrik.mainio@hotmail.com> wrote:

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On 09.07.2012 04:31, Bahn, Nathan wrote:



On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Juan R. de Silva
<juan.r.d.silva@gmail.com <mailto:juan.r.d.silva@gmail.com>>
wrote:

On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 06:56:32 +1000, Jared Norris wrote:


Please, can everyone please read the FAQ [1] before posting to
the

list.

I don't know how many times I need to reference it before it
gets

read.

Posting random links to the mailing list and seeking discussion
is not what this list is for. This is a technical support list.


I admit, posting a link to an article without saying a word - what
it was about, was a mistake. The subject line could be sounding
kind of critical as well. My apologies.

The article is informing about Mozzila decision to stop support of
the further development of Thunderbird (and apparently Lighting?).

I thought such news might be of high interest for those Ubuntu
users, who did not jump yet blindly into transferring PIM data into
Thunderbird, after Ubuntu decision to switch to it, but who still
could be considering doing so. Apparently the news may save them a
lot of time and efforts.

I also thought that bringing it to the attention of the community
could save this very list from numerous technical support requests,
which could flood it in the future due to such a change in Mozilla
plans. (I would be surprised if changes in Ubuntu would not
follow.)


If you want to discuss random web links there are many other
places to do this online.


Could you point me to at least one for Ubuntu users, please?




www.groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/bikeshed
<http://www.groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#%21forum/bikeshed>

if that link doesn't work, then go to www.groups.google.com
<http://www.groups.google.com> and look up "bikeshed." by the way,
plz don't mind Jared Norris; it's true that he's an officious ass,
but he's harmless.


You should read [Ubuntu Code of Conduct] and the HTML part from
[Ubuntu Mailing list guidelines].


You know, that sounds "somewhat" funny, from someone who
doesn't trim quotes and has a GPG signature, which is longer
than the text it accompanies… For me, this GPG stuff is more
annoying than HTML.

Just sayin'.

Alexander

+1

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