On Jul 5, 2012, at 6:02 AM, Avi Greenbury <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> Liam Proven wrote:
>> On 4 July 2012 03:42, Ryan Gauger <email@example.com> wrote:
>>> If you don't mind my saying so, since no moderators have, I would
>>> like to see these types of posts stopped. Can't we all treat each
>>> other equally? And top posting is okay
>> No, top-posting is *NOT* okay.
>> It is specifically banned in the list rules.
> It is not specifically banned in the list rules because there are no
> hard and fast rules to the list.
> It is, however, probably the largest cause of annoyance on this list
> which is an even better reason to not do it. This sort of thread is a
> close second, so I'd like these to stop, too - keep reading for
> We seem to keep spiking at a good signal:noise ratio before dropping
> again as a bunch of established subscribers decide to have another
> argument. To reiterate, things that are generally accepted as a good
> thing to do here are much the same as on any other mailing list. This
> includes (but obviously is not limited to):
> * Trimmed bottom-posting rather than untrimmed bottom-posting, and that
> rather than any form of top-posting
> * Posting in all-plain-text. Some people are quite opposed to the idea
> of sending two-part (HTML and plain) email. I don't think anyone's
> ever expressed a preference for HTML mail.
> * Starting a new thread to the list for a new subject. It's easy to get
> wrong, but replying and changing the subject does _not_ do this. The
> only way to do it is to start a brand new email. I would be willing
> to bet that >90% of the people on this list did at some point get this
> wrong on some list.
> * Staying on-topic and being nice.
> There should be no need for any rules because all that is expected of
> anybody is that you act like reasonable human beings and that you talk
> about things relating to the name of the list; just be nice to each
> other, okay?
> More importantly, it's absolutely fine to tell people who are deviating
> from the established norms that this is what they are doing. It is
> absolutely not fine to tell them off for it. Be informative, assume
> they were not acting in malice (maliciously top posting, really?) and
> assume that, as a normal, reasonable, human being they probably did not
> set out to irritate you specifically by putting their reply in the
> 'wrong' place.
> If you feel there is some real need for discussion about how we're
> moderating the list, or you'd like to make some comments, we're all
> listening (though, personally, I'm doing rather less typing than I'd
> like) and you can send your mail to
> To send it to the moderators; it will not be publicly archived. Please,
> if you'd like change you need to ask for it. This includes letting us
> know if you think someone is repeatedly giving out bad advice - bear in
> mind that we may simply not know that what is being said is incorrect!
> Calling users out publicly on the list is, generally, not what we want
> to see unless you're warning other subscribers about some dangerous
> Every mail sent to firstname.lastname@example.org gets dropped in to
> hundreds of mailboxes; please, if you're going to tell people off for
> putting their reply in the wrong place, don't put your telling off in
> several hundred wrong places in the process. I hate sending these
> emails out because I know there's a lot of people subscribing to the
> list who don't want to read them, surely that occurs to you every time
> you wonder about admonishing somebody for top-posting?
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I think we should be worrying about how we are acting towards each other, if we are going to worry about anything at this point.
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