On 3 May 2012 05:24, Art Edwards<edwardsa@icantbelieveimdoingthis.com> wrote:
I'm sure this is very honestly given advice that might be very helpful,
but isn't it a little ironic that, for such an intuitive environment,
Unity needs a wallpaper with hints?
No, not at all. See my reply to Albert Wagner.
Unity has a lot more keystrokes enabled by default than did GNOME 2,
Indeed it does. in fact Ubuntu 12.04 *requires* that you have two
working hands, digits, and arms in order to use all of these fine
'keystrokes' and perform the same function that could be performed by a
person with one hand and a mouse. Here's an example:
On GNOME2/Natty& below to modify/add a user to a group all you needed
to do was click System|Administration|Users and Groups|Manage
Groups|click on the group you want& select 'Edit'|click the user you
want to add& click 'OK' - done. Try the same with 12.04...
Nevermind, you'll end up doing it directly from the terminal:
<http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/quickly-add-users-to-groups-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/>
Now I suppose that you *might* be able to do that with a single hand,
but I wouldn't like to try.
Granted the mouse operation does take quite a few clicks, but at least
you can do it with one hand.
...
I don't under stand all the talk about Gnome on 12.04. If I want to use
it just log out and there are 3 different Gnomes to use on my PC. Now
have have only been using Ubuntu since 2007 so maybe it has changed a
lot. I just kind of wish I could put the bar at the bottom because of my
old hands it is easer for me to move the mouse down. But not enough to
worry about I just go slow.
Thanks and God Bless Johnny3 65+++
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05-13-2012, 02:28 AM
NoOp
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On 05/11/2012 11:15 PM, Lucio M Nicolosi wrote:
> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 1:08 AM, NoOp <glgxg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 05/09/2012 04:23 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
>>> On 3 May 2012 05:24, Art Edwards <edwardsa@icantbelieveimdoingthis.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> I'm sure this is very honestly given advice that might be very helpful,
>>>> but isn't it a little ironic that, for such an intuitive environment,
>>>> Unity needs a wallpaper with hints?
>>>
>>> No, not at all. See my reply to Albert Wagner.
>>>
>>> Unity has a lot more keystrokes enabled by default than did GNOME 2,
>>
>> Indeed it does. in fact Ubuntu 12.04 *requires* that you have two
>> working hands, digits, and arms in order to use all of these fine
>> 'keystrokes' and perform the same function that could be performed by a
>> person with one hand and a mouse. Here's an example:
>>
>> On GNOME2/Natty & below to modify/add a user to a group all you needed
>> to do was click System|Administration|Users and Groups|Manage
>> Groups|click on the group you want & select 'Edit'|click the user you
>> want to add & click 'OK' - done. Try the same with 12.04...
>>
>> Nevermind, you'll end up doing it directly from the terminal:
>> <http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/quickly-add-users-to-groups-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/>
>> Now I suppose that you *might* be able to do that with a single hand,
>> but I wouldn't like to try.
>>
>> Granted the mouse operation does take quite a few clicks, but at least
>> you can do it with one hand.
>
> A bit cumbersome, but can be done:
>
> First, of course, you have to install gnome-system-tools because Unity
Ah, well now why didn't I think of that...
> doesn't offer a single GUI app to manage groups. (Or does it?).
> Then you open dash, click "Search App" icon below,
Of course one would need to know which is the 'Search App' icon...
(for the GNOME2 & other ill informed: it is the one to the right of the
little house on the prairie box - the one that is supposed to look like
a ruler, crayon, and candle?)
then "Filter
> Results",
Fileter results
then "System".
On the systems that only run Unity 2D (the bulk of which have older, but
perfectly working nVidia Quadro graphic cards in them), clicking on
'System' does nothing... well nothing other than "Sorry, there is
nothing that matches your search".
The 2D's running in VMware (on the same system) _sometimes_ show U&G,
but not reliably.
In my system I get six matches, one of then
> Gnome's old and reliable "Users and Groups".
>
> Extremely intuitive if you know exactly what to look for and how...
On the one that runs Unity 3D does indeed show 'Users and Groups'.
Unless of you click 'Office' and then click on 'System' again. I that
case it just continues to show the office applications & you need to
click 'All' again, then 'System'. Then other times it actually works...
How is that intuitive ((chiefly of computer software) Easy to use and
understand.)?
No. You need an internet connection & good folks like you to tell a user
how to do the simplest of tasks from the GNOME2 desktop (by adding a
non-standard utility from the 'Universe' respository to start). IMO it's
pretty pathetic that users now have to fumble around wasting time
finding workarounds & installing Universe packages and/or plugins,
simply to accomplish a previous basic, simple, task.
Thanks Lucio & as always I appreciate your assistance.
Gary
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05-13-2012, 02:30 AM
NoOp
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On 05/11/2012 09:54 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
> On 12/05/12 14:08, NoOp wrote:
...
>>
>> Granted the mouse operation does take quite a few clicks, but at least
>> you can do it with one hand.
>
> Eh, not a worry....thought control is coming real soon now....
[snip]
Wow! As usual you are spot on! Thanks for contributing...
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05-13-2012, 03:00 AM
Lucio M Nicolosi
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On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:28 PM, NoOp <glgxg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 05/11/2012 11:15 PM, Lucio M Nicolosi wrote:
>>
>> A bit cumbersome, but can be done:
>>
>> First, of course, you have to install gnome-system-tools because Unity
[ ]
>> doesn't offer a single GUI app to manage groups. (Or does it?).
>> Then you open dash, click "Search App" *icon below,
>
> Of course one would need to know which is the 'Search App' icon...
> (for the GNOME2 & other ill informed:
> it is the one to the right of the
> little house on the prairie box - the one that is supposed to look like
> a ruler, crayon, and candle?)
LOL - It's really amazing we have to resort to descriptions like this
for lack of a proper legend. When first posted I ran into the same
problem: "What the heck is this?"
[ ]
> No. You need an internet connection & good folks like you to tell a user
> how to do the simplest of tasks from the GNOME2 desktop (by adding a
> non-standard utility from the 'Universe' respository to start). IMO it's
> pretty pathetic that users now have to fumble around wasting time
> finding workarounds & installing Universe packages and/or plugins,
> simply to accomplish a previous basic, simple, task.
>
> Thanks
Glad to hear from you, Gary.
Lucio
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05-13-2012, 03:38 PM
Liam Proven
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>
> Of course one would need to know which is the 'Search App' icon...
> (for the GNOME2 & other ill informed: it is the one to the right of the
> little house on the prairie box - the one that is supposed to look like
> a ruler, crayon, and candle?)
[Chuckle] I like it!
This is why I don't like /purely/ icon-driven interfaces: [1] they are
hard to guess unless you already know and [2] words do actually work.
Also see:
The Floppy Disk means Save, and 14 other old people Icons that don't
make sense anymore:
http://www.hanselman.com/blog/TheFloppyDiskMeansSaveAnd14OtherOldPeopleIconsThat DontMakeSenseAnymore.aspx
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05-13-2012, 03:55 PM
Peter Teuben
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On 05/02/2012 07:10 PM, Art Edwards wrote:
On 04/25/2012 04:09 PM, Bill Stanley wrote:
I
knew I was going to regret switching to the Unity desktop and I
was right!* I was assured that I could choose to use the Classic
Gnome desktop if I didn't like Unity.* I ungraded to version
11.10 and I can't find how to choose the classic desktop.* On
the previous version, I could at least choose to use the Gnome
Classic desktop.
I did go to the software repository and downloaded Gnome 3.* I
thought that would restore the Gnome desktop (No dice).* I
looked at the Help menu and I was unable to find it.* So the
question is...* What must I do to get back to the Gnome desktop.
Bill Stanley
Just FYI, xfce is pretty nice. (I use the machine for
computational physics code development, as well as writing papers,
doing email, etc. That might enable you to calibrate these
comments.) You can build panels that are very similar to gnome 2.
The main menus are a little more clunky in xfce, but quite
liveable. I'm running 11.10 right now on a netbook with xfce, and
I'm not pulling my hair out. It's good enough that I have not yet
run to mate, although news of its stability makes that tempting.
Art Edwards
thanks Art, I will try that. I'm in the same kinda boat as you. I
find myself only half as productive
on either unity of "new" gnome.
I've been trying Unity, which I find ok, but cumbersome (still),
maybe my brain and hands
need more time. Gnome Classic is a disaster. Windows that stick to
edges, so it takes time to
get to the one you need, touch the top bar and it maximizes, and it
can be a tour de force to get it
back to smaller size. Desktops are confusing,there's the 2x2 that
you can get to via the control-alt-arrow, but classic gnome's own
desktops (if you do more than 1) become useless and near impossible
to navigate out of. It then has no bottom and top bar.** Also, right
click on the top bar doesn't allow any more configuration. Alas,
perhaps this is all in the documentation.* But that's a* LOT of
configuration to go from one to the other. Please somebody tell me
this is just a configuration,
because letting this loose in an LTS distro, sounds just wrong.
I think the BIGGEST complaint I have right now is that my machine is
constantly at around a load
of 2, and that's without me doing anything. When I do big compiles,*
I get slowed down. Don't
even mention trying to manage 10 tabs in chrome.All of them doing
flashy things. Clearly , a 4
year old laptop (core2duo 2Ghz) with 2 GB memory is not sufficient
for this new style desktop.
peter
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