On 04/28/2012 11:25 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
> On 26 April 2012 18:25, Bill Stanley <bstanle@wowway.com> wrote:
>> On 04/26/2012 12:26 PM, Avi Greenbury wrote:
>>
>> < snip >
>>
>>> You've clearly not tried Unity on a small monitor
>> That's my point entirely! Unity does have a place on a small monitor but
>> it's not too good on a large monitor where there is plenty of desktop. The
>> large icons look HUGE on a large monitor for one. On a tablet I think Unity
>> would look and work fine. All I am objecting to is forcing people to use it
>> (especially on large monitors).
> Unity works *extremely* well on a large monitor. I use it on a
> 3200*1200 desktop and it's lovely.
>
> I am not saying that you have to like it - you don't; your opinions
> are your own - but please don't fling around blanket statements along
> the lines of "it doesn't work" or "it's no good on a large monitor".
>
> It was not Ubuntu's choice to drop GNOME 2. GNOME 2 is dead and gone;
> the GNOME Foundation have moved on to GNOME 3, which is radically
> different and far less like classic GNOME than Unity is.
>
> With GNOME 2 dead and its replacement being controversial, Ubuntu went
> for something else. Don't blame them; they had to do something.
>
> I advise you to read up on Unity, install one of the wallpapers that
> reminds you what the keystrokes and techniques are, and give it a few
> weeks.
>
> If after that you are still unhappy, try Xubuntu or Lubuntu, or
> install GNOME 3 and pick "fallback mode" from the login screen.
>
I'm sure this is very honestly given advice that might be very helpful,
but isn't it a little ironic that, for such an intuitive environment,
Unity needs a wallpaper with hints?
I'm just sayin'
Art Edwards
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05-03-2012, 11:54 AM
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:09:14 -0400, Bill Stanley wrote:
I had it the same way, but I forced myself to try unity out, and now I
like it more and more as I get used to it.
Not sure I want to revert to gnome 2 any more :-)
I used to be a sea pilot, and we got a new modern pilot boat with side
propeller etc. - the boatmen hated it, but suddenly they found out they
could sail sideways etc, and now they would never revert back to the old
boat (~gnome 2) *humor-smile*
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05-03-2012, 01:33 PM
Dave Henley
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I switched to gnome shell (gnome 3) and imho it`s even more flexible and easy to work with then unity.
Cheers
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> Subject: Re: Restoring the old gnome desktop
> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 11:54:39 +0000
>
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:09:14 -0400, Bill Stanley wrote:
>
> I had it the same way, but I forced myself to try unity out, and now I
> like it more and more as I get used to it.
>
> Not sure I want to revert to gnome 2 any more :-)
>
> I used to be a sea pilot, and we got a new modern pilot boat with side
> propeller etc. - the boatmen hated it, but suddenly they found out they
> could sail sideways etc, and now they would never revert back to the old
> boat (~gnome 2) *humor-smile*
>
>
>
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05-03-2012, 02:05 PM
"compdoc"
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> Does this do what you want?
>http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/disable-the-global-menu-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/
>
>--mike
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Excellent, thanks.
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05-03-2012, 05:54 PM
Florian Diesch
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"compdoc" <compdoc@hotrodpc.com> writes:
> If only they would make it easy to turn off the menus appearing in the top
> bar. (so that they appear in the program's window instead) Ah, then it
> t'would be grand as a lass in springtime.
Install Unsettings <http://www.florian-diesch.de/software/unsettings/>,
go to the "Window" tab, switch "Global menu" off, hit the "Apply"
button and log in again.
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05-09-2012, 11:22 PM
Liam Proven
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On 3 May 2012 00:56, Albert Wagner <albertwagner@cox.net> wrote:
> On 04/28/2012 12:25 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>
>
>> ...install one of the wallpapers that reminds you what the keystrokes and
>> techniques are, and give it a few weeks.
>
> Really? Â*I never saw this as a recommended user interface technique in any
> of the books I have read on human-machine interfaces.
Who said anything about UI techniques? It's a *learning tool.* A
slightly more modern 21st century version of /reading the manual/ and
makes good use of modern computers' ability to display a pointless
pretty picture in the background.
The point here being that Unity has more powerful keyboard support
than Windows XP, GNOME 2 or Mac OS X, right off the CD. If you don't
want to use the keyboard, you don't have to; but if you want to be a
power-user, you have some new keystrokes to memorise. This is an /aide
memoire/, no more.
> Here's a slick one: Â*in a terminal type 'man ' followed by the name of ANY
> installed program. Â*Of course, it doesn't hop, explode, wriggle, slide or
> change colors or shape.
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05-09-2012, 11:23 PM
Liam Proven
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On 3 May 2012 05:24, Art Edwards <edwardsa@icantbelieveimdoingthis.com> wrote:
>>
> I'm sure this is very honestly given advice that might be very helpful,
> but isn't it a little ironic that, for such an intuitive environment,
> Unity needs a wallpaper with hints?
No, not at all. See my reply to Albert Wagner.
Unity has a lot more keystrokes enabled by default than did GNOME 2,
or indeed than has Win XP or Mac OS X. If you want to be a power user,
there is a fair bit to learn. Some of it is discoverable, some isn't,
and just random discovery is not a great way to rapidly explore a
system.
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05-12-2012, 04:08 AM
NoOp
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On 05/09/2012 04:23 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
> On 3 May 2012 05:24, Art Edwards <edwardsa@icantbelieveimdoingthis.com> wrote:
>>>
>> I'm sure this is very honestly given advice that might be very helpful,
>> but isn't it a little ironic that, for such an intuitive environment,
>> Unity needs a wallpaper with hints?
>
> No, not at all. See my reply to Albert Wagner.
>
> Unity has a lot more keystrokes enabled by default than did GNOME 2,
Indeed it does. in fact Ubuntu 12.04 *requires* that you have two
working hands, digits, and arms in order to use all of these fine
'keystrokes' and perform the same function that could be performed by a
person with one hand and a mouse. Here's an example:
On GNOME2/Natty & below to modify/add a user to a group all you needed
to do was click System|Administration|Users and Groups|Manage
Groups|click on the group you want & select 'Edit'|click the user you
want to add & click 'OK' - done. Try the same with 12.04...
Nevermind, you'll end up doing it directly from the terminal:
<http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/quickly-add-users-to-groups-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/>
Now I suppose that you *might* be able to do that with a single hand,
but I wouldn't like to try.
Granted the mouse operation does take quite a few clicks, but at least
you can do it with one hand.
...
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05-12-2012, 04:54 AM
Basil Chupin
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On 12/05/12 14:08, NoOp wrote:
On 05/09/2012 04:23 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
On 3 May 2012 05:24, Art Edwards<edwardsa@icantbelieveimdoingthis.com> wrote:
I'm sure this is very honestly given advice that might be very helpful,
but isn't it a little ironic that, for such an intuitive environment,
Unity needs a wallpaper with hints?
No, not at all. See my reply to Albert Wagner.
Unity has a lot more keystrokes enabled by default than did GNOME 2,
Indeed it does. in fact Ubuntu 12.04 *requires* that you have two
working hands, digits, and arms in order to use all of these fine
'keystrokes' and perform the same function that could be performed by a
person with one hand and a mouse. Here's an example:
On GNOME2/Natty& below to modify/add a user to a group all you needed
to do was click System|Administration|Users and Groups|Manage
Groups|click on the group you want& select 'Edit'|click the user you
want to add& click 'OK' - done. Try the same with 12.04...
Nevermind, you'll end up doing it directly from the terminal:
<http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/quickly-add-users-to-groups-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/>
Now I suppose that you *might* be able to do that with a single hand,
but I wouldn't like to try.
Granted the mouse operation does take quite a few clicks, but at least
you can do it with one hand.
Eh, not a worry....thought control is coming real soon now....
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05-12-2012, 06:15 AM
Lucio M Nicolosi
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On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 1:08 AM, NoOp <glgxg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 05/09/2012 04:23 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
>> On 3 May 2012 05:24, Art Edwards <edwardsa@icantbelieveimdoingthis.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>> I'm sure this is very honestly given advice that might be very helpful,
>>> but isn't it a little ironic that, for such an intuitive environment,
>>> Unity needs a wallpaper with hints?
>>
>> No, not at all. See my reply to Albert Wagner.
>>
>> Unity has a lot more keystrokes enabled by default than did GNOME 2,
>
> Indeed it does. in fact Ubuntu 12.04 *requires* that you have two
> working hands, digits, and arms in order to use all of these fine
> 'keystrokes' and perform the same function that could be performed by a
> person with one hand and a mouse. Here's an example:
>
> *On GNOME2/Natty & below to modify/add a user to a group all you needed
> to do was click System|Administration|Users and Groups|Manage
> Groups|click on the group you want & select 'Edit'|click the user you
> want to add & click 'OK' - done. Try the same with 12.04...
>
> Nevermind, you'll end up doing it directly from the terminal:
> <http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/quickly-add-users-to-groups-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/>
> Now I suppose that you *might* be able to do that with a single hand,
> but I wouldn't like to try.
>
> Granted the mouse operation does take quite a few clicks, but at least
> you can do it with one hand.
A bit cumbersome, but can be done:
First, of course, you have to install gnome-system-tools because Unity
doesn't offer a single GUI app to manage groups. (Or does it?).
Then you open dash, click "Search App" icon below, then "Filter
Results", then "System". In my system I get six matches, one of then
Gnome's old and reliable "Users and Groups".
Extremely intuitive if you know exactly what to look for and how...
L.
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