Newbie query: Ubuntu vs openSUSE
 

HELLO GUYS,

I really needed the suggestion of the people of this great mailing
list regarding the difference between the openSUSE and the Ubuntu
distributions, finding myself new in this world of Linux or Unix
(whatever you people call), I guess here people have nice experiences
and thus can make better points.

Best Regards.

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Newbie query: Ubuntu vs openSUSE
 

On 12/23/2011 12:37 AM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:

HELLO GUYS,

I really needed the suggestion of the people of this great mailing
list regarding the difference between the openSUSE and the Ubuntu
distributions, finding myself new in this world of Linux or Unix
(whatever you people call), I guess here people have nice experiences
and thus can make better points.

Best Regards.


Why not get a live CD for each of the systems, and run them.
You may find that one system is much more to your liking
than the other. However, be aware that there are a number
of desktop environments available. There might be more
for OpenSuse, I just don't know. There are some for
variations on Ubuntu, such a Xubuntu, Kubuntu, and even
Mint, which is a descendent, but not under Ubuntu control.

The "word" is that Gnome is on its way out, and something
like Unity will take its place. You may find you don't like
Unity--apparently a lot of folks don't. There were grumbles
about KDE when version 4 came out, but it's now up to (I
think) 4.8, and even since 4.5, it has been quite useable
and stable, and in some flavors, at least, is more user-
friendly to those who come from a Windows environment.

There are also "light" DTEs, like XFCE and LXDE which
you may be able to get on live CD for Suse and/or Ubuntu.
I haven't tried either one, so I just know they exist.

Good hunting!--doug


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On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:37 AM, doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> wrote:

> Why not get a live CD for each of the systems, and run them.

Well, this idea is good. I try that but since some issues of internet
here are, like poor speed, so wish to get the first download itself as
the one which is to be installed, this I would do though, but in your
opinion, I guess Ubuntu should be fine, of course, I understand that
these are Ubuntu mailing lists but was looking for some honest
suggestions, like you did, thanks.

> You may find that one system is much more to your liking
> than the other. *However, be aware that there are a number
> of desktop environments available. *There might be more
> for OpenSuse, I just don't know. There are some for
> variations on Ubuntu, such a Xubuntu, Kubuntu, and even
> Mint, which is a descendent, but not under Ubuntu control.

Okay, I assume (don't know much) that both - Ubuntu and openSUSE are
mature distributions. I explore the different desktops then.

> The "word" is that Gnome is on its way out, and something
> like Unity will take its place. *You may find you don't like
> Unity--apparently a lot of folks don't. *There were grumbles
> about KDE when version 4 came out, but it's now up to (I
> think) 4.8, and even since 4.5, it has been quite useable
> and stable, and in some flavors, at least, is more user-
> friendly to those who come from a Windows environment.

Why many folks have said that unity is not good? Is it having some
bugs or what? But no problems, I would see the other desktops too.

> There are also "light" DTEs, like XFCE and LXDE which
> you may be able to get on live CD for Suse and/or Ubuntu.
> I haven't tried either one, so I just know they exist.

So XFCE is also good, I assume, I would see both - LXDE and XFCE.

> Good hunting!--doug

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On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:37 AM, doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> wrote:

> Why not get a live CD for each of the systems, and run them.
> You may find that one system is much more to your liking
> than the other. *However, be aware that there are a number
> of desktop environments available. *There might be more
> for OpenSuse, I just don't know. There are some for
> variations on Ubuntu, such a Xubuntu, Kubuntu, and even
> Mint, which is a descendent, but not under Ubuntu control.

Well, it is to request to please point to point differentiate between
the two distros, if you can, just a request. Thanks.

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On 12/23/2011 02:04 AM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:

On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:37 AM, doug<dmcgarrett@optonline.net> wrote:


Why not get a live CD for each of the systems, and run them.
You may find that one system is much more to your liking
than the other. However, be aware that there are a number
of desktop environments available. There might be more
for OpenSuse, I just don't know. There are some for
variations on Ubuntu, such a Xubuntu, Kubuntu, and even
Mint, which is a descendent, but not under Ubuntu control.


Well, it is to request to please point to point differentiate between
the two distros, if you can, just a request. Thanks.


Heh, that's kinda like discussing religion and politics. It's usually
avoided. OpenSuse is rpm package based, and Ubuntu is deb package based.
Both offer pretty much the same software.


Doug gave you great advice. If you're not handy with cd burning or have
limited bandwidth, go to some place like on-disk.com and pay about $5 US
for each distro's live CD and try them out to see what YOU like. For old
and crusty machines Lubuntu is a good choice. I use Xubuntu as I like
the XFCE desktop. Or maybe you'll like Unity with the standard Ubuntu
install. It's hard for someone else to tell you what you'll like or why
you should install which version of which distribution. But, by golly,
you do have choices! Enjoy! Ric




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On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/23/2011 02:04 AM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:37 AM, doug<dmcgarrett@optonline.net> *wrote:
>>
>>> Why not get a live CD for each of the systems, and run them.
>>> You may find that one system is much more to your liking
>>> than the other. *However, be aware that there are a number
>>> of desktop environments available. *There might be more
>>> for OpenSuse, I just don't know. There are some for
>>> variations on Ubuntu, such a Xubuntu, Kubuntu, and even
>>> Mint, which is a descendent, but not under Ubuntu control.
>>
>>
>> Well, it is to request to please point to point differentiate between
>> the two distros, if you can, just a request. Thanks.
>
>
> Heh, that's kinda like discussing religion and politics. It's usually
> avoided. OpenSuse is rpm package based, and Ubuntu is deb package based.
> Both offer pretty much the same software.
>
> Doug gave you great advice. If you're not handy with cd burning or have
> limited bandwidth, go to some place like on-disk.com and pay about $5 US for
> each distro's live CD and try them out to see what YOU like. For old and
> crusty machines Lubuntu is a good choice. I use Xubuntu as I like the XFCE
> desktop. Or maybe you'll like Unity with the standard Ubuntu install. It's
> hard for someone else to tell you what you'll like or why you should install
> which version of which distribution. But, by golly, you do have choices!
> Enjoy! Ric

I am also a xubuntu user... although i switched from ubuntu before the
days of unity. I much prefer the minimal desktop and if you've limited
bandwidth it would be a good place to start. I used opensuse for a
short while and i don't like rpm distros as updates seem to take far
longer.

A linux distro is very much a pesonal choice. I look closely at the
package manager and "under the bonnet" which is where opensuse was
lacking imo. I'd read distrowatch and choose one of the beginner
friendly distros as opposed to say slackware or gentoo which is harder
to set up although a well established respected distro.

james

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On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 02:47:39AM -0500, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 12/23/2011 02:04 AM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote:
> >On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:37 AM, doug<dmcgarrett@optonline.net> wrote:
> >
> >>Why not get a live CD for each of the systems, and run them.
> >>You may find that one system is much more to your liking
> >>than the other. However, be aware that there are a number
> >>of desktop environments available. There might be more
> >>for OpenSuse, I just don't know. There are some for
> >>variations on Ubuntu, such a Xubuntu, Kubuntu, and even
> >>Mint, which is a descendent, but not under Ubuntu control.
> >
> >Well, it is to request to please point to point differentiate between
> >the two distros, if you can, just a request. Thanks.
>
> Heh, that's kinda like discussing religion and politics. It's
> usually avoided. OpenSuse is rpm package based, and Ubuntu is deb
> package based. Both offer pretty much the same software.
>
> Doug gave you great advice. If you're not handy with cd burning or
> have limited bandwidth, go to some place like on-disk.com and pay
> about $5 US for each distro's live CD and try them out to see what
> YOU like. For old and crusty machines Lubuntu is a good choice. I
> use Xubuntu as I like the XFCE desktop. Or maybe you'll like Unity
> with the standard Ubuntu install. It's hard for someone else to tell
> you what you'll like or why you should install which version of
> which distribution. But, by golly, you do have choices! Enjoy! Ric

Having tried OpenSuse I can say that Ubuntu is certainly the better choice, in my opinion. The package manager is superior and overall finish and quality is better. I remember I came across an article comparing the two where the author described YAST as "a pig" which made me laugh; and i'm afraid that based on my experiences at that time, I have to agree.

Ubuntu have designed their system with new Linux users in mind. You will have a really good system to learn on.

One thing you must consider when it comes to choosing a desktop environment is the hardware on which you will use Linux, especially the graphics hardware. The reason is that if you are using older hardware you might find that newer versions of KDE4 and Unity, for example, will be terribly slow and it could ruin your new experience. Please bare that in mind. XFCE4 has been designed to overcome some of those problems and so is more lightweight in terms of memory, etc.

Don't forget that many distributions provide the option to have discs sent to you by post. Some you may need to make a small donation, others will be free. You can then use the liveCD option or you could think about running them in a virtual environment, like Virtual Box or VMWare.

jamie.



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On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> wrote:

> Heh, that's kinda like discussing religion and politics. It's usually
> avoided. OpenSuse is rpm package based, and Ubuntu is deb package based.
> Both offer pretty much the same software.

> Doug gave you great advice. If you're not handy with cd burning or have
> limited bandwidth, go to some place like on-disk.com and pay about $5 US for
> each distro's live CD and try them out to see what YOU like. For old and
> crusty machines Lubuntu is a good choice. I use Xubuntu as I like the XFCE
> desktop. Or maybe you'll like Unity with the standard Ubuntu install. It's
> hard for someone else to tell you what you'll like or why you should install
> which version of which distribution. But, by golly, you do have choices!
> Enjoy! Ric

Thanks Ric, I really look into this matter.

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On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 1:29 PM, James Freer <jessejazza3.uk@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am also a xubuntu user... although i switched from ubuntu before the
> days of unity. I much prefer the minimal desktop and if you've limited
> bandwidth it would be a good place to start. I used opensuse for a
> short while and i don't like rpm distros as updates seem to take far
> longer.

Okk.

> A linux distro is very much a pesonal choice. I look closely at the
> package manager and "under the bonnet" which is where opensuse was
> lacking imo. I'd read distrowatch and choose one of the beginner
> friendly distros as opposed to say slackware or gentoo which is harder
> to set up although a well established respected distro.

Ok, thanks for your suggestions, I then guess, like Ric and Doug also
said, good is Ubuntu to go with, at least for a beginner, but when I
searched a little for Unity, this made me a little away from Ubuntu,
but as you say, I should definitely try out X or L Ubuntu.

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On 23 December 2011 11:25, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
<mathsrealworld@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 1:29 PM, James Freer <jessejazza3.uk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am also a xubuntu user... although i switched from ubuntu before the
>> days of unity. I much prefer the minimal desktop and if you've limited
>> bandwidth it would be a good place to start. I used opensuse for a
>> short while and i don't like rpm distros as updates seem to take far
>> longer.
>
> Okk.
>
>> A linux distro is very much a pesonal choice. I look closely at the
>> package manager and "under the bonnet" which is where opensuse was
>> lacking imo. I'd read distrowatch and choose one of the beginner
>> friendly distros as opposed to say slackware or gentoo which is harder
>> to set up although a well established respected distro.
>
> Ok, thanks for your suggestions, I then guess, like Ric and Doug also
> said, good is Ubuntu to go with, at least for a beginner, but when I
> searched a little for Unity, this made me a little away from Ubuntu,
> but as you say, I should definitely try out X or L Ubuntu.

Don't reject Unity without giving it a good try. Many do like it but
as always those that object are more vociferous.

Colin

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