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Old 11-02-2011, 09:34 PM
massimo sandal
 
Default Why make things difficult?

Have you read Inkscape's tutorials and documentation?


I am quite baffled by your difficulties because Inkscape is almost *trivial* to use. I have seen kids using it productively without help. Perhaps you simply need to read a bit to figure out the basics.

On 2 Nov 2011 23:19, "Kipton Moravec" <kip@kdream.com> wrote:
I need to something similar to Adobe Illustrator. To do a quick drawing

for a control panel.



I looked at Open Office Drawing. It does not let me make things a

certain size. I need a circle exactly a certain dimension " It is all

free hand.



So I switched to Inkscape which has to be the least intuitive drawing

program I have seen. I have not been able to figure out how to draw

lines yet, but discovered if I draw boxes I can set the position x and y

and the height and width to the 0.001" which I need.



Now I have to draw a triangle symbol for a membrane switch label (for

right or left, up or down) I have been working on it for the past 30

minutes and can not get it to look right.



The documentation says "to play with them at your leisure". *That dies

not seem like a very productive tool if it is so complicated you can't

figure it out.



Sometimes programmers try to get too clever. And they don't think about

people that just need to get the job done.



Just give me a polygon that I can grab each corner and move it where I

want it. Don't try to let me discover how to do it with two controls

that disappear if you accidentally deselect the object. Then you have to

delete and start all over.



Now I have to look for another program that lets me draw simple shapes

at specific sizes and lets me place them at specific places.







Kip





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Old 11-02-2011, 09:51 PM
Doug
 
Default Why make things difficult?

On 11/02/2011 06:18 PM, Kipton Moravec wrote:

I need to something similar to Adobe Illustrator. To do a quick drawing
for a control panel.

I looked at Open Office Drawing. It does not let me make things a
certain size. I need a circle exactly a certain dimension " It is all
free hand.

So I switched to Inkscape which has to be the least intuitive drawing
program I have seen. I have not been able to figure out how to draw
lines yet, but discovered if I draw boxes I can set the position x and y
and the height and width to the 0.001" which I need.

Now I have to draw a triangle symbol for a membrane switch label (for
right or left, up or down) I have been working on it for the past 30
minutes and can not get it to look right.

The documentation says "to play with them at your leisure". That dies
not seem like a very productive tool if it is so complicated you can't
figure it out.

Sometimes programmers try to get too clever. And they don't think about
people that just need to get the job done.

Just give me a polygon that I can grab each corner and move it where I
want it. Don't try to let me discover how to do it with two controls
that disappear if you accidentally deselect the object. Then you have to
delete and start all over.

Now I have to look for another program that lets me draw simple shapes
at specific sizes and lets me place them at specific places.



Kip


Try QCad, Community Edition. It's a true CAD program, not a drawing
routine, so you can make things to proper sizes. It lacks plines, but
seems to have most everything else. Install from tar-ball.

Here's the URL:
http://www.qcad.org/qcad_downloads.html

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Old 11-02-2011, 09:54 PM
Doug
 
Default Why make things difficult?

On 11/02/2011 06:18 PM, Kipton Moravec wrote:

I need to something similar to Adobe Illustrator. To do a quick drawing
for a control panel.

I looked at Open Office Drawing. It does not let me make things a
certain size. I need a circle exactly a certain dimension " It is all
free hand.

So I switched to Inkscape which has to be the least intuitive drawing
program I have seen. I have not been able to figure out how to draw
lines yet, but discovered if I draw boxes I can set the position x and y
and the height and width to the 0.001" which I need.

Now I have to draw a triangle symbol for a membrane switch label (for
right or left, up or down) I have been working on it for the past 30
minutes and can not get it to look right.

The documentation says "to play with them at your leisure". That dies
not seem like a very productive tool if it is so complicated you can't
figure it out.

Sometimes programmers try to get too clever. And they don't think about
people that just need to get the job done.

Just give me a polygon that I can grab each corner and move it where I
want it. Don't try to let me discover how to do it with two controls
that disappear if you accidentally deselect the object. Then you have to
delete and start all over.

Now I have to look for another program that lets me draw simple shapes
at specific sizes and lets me place them at specific places.



Kip


I just realized that QCAD is already in the repo for PCLinuxOS--maybe
it's in your repo also.


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Old 11-02-2011, 11:31 PM
Kipton Moravec
 
Default Why make things difficult?

On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 23:34 +0100, massimo sandal wrote:
> Have you read Inkscape's tutorials and documentation?
>
> I am quite baffled by your difficulties because Inkscape is almost
> *trivial* to use. I have seen kids using it productively without help.
> Perhaps you simply need to read a bit to figure out the basics.


Yes I have read the tutorials. I have mot read the whole manual. I just
have to draw lines, boxes with rounded corners and circles and
triangles. I am good with everything but the triangles.

It looks like I can not make a right triangle at all. I think I know how
to make an equilateral triangle but I have to eyeball the sides because
it wants to have a vector in the middle of a side and it wants
everything symmetric.

It is not intuitive.

I am having a similar problem with Xera Extreme but at least they have
triangles. Inkscape uses lower right corner, and Xera uses center of the
object for placement. So I have a spreadsheet.

Kip




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Old 11-03-2011, 06:45 AM
Robert Spanjaard
 
Default Why make things difficult?

On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 19:31:26 -0500, Kipton Moravec wrote:

> On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 23:34 +0100, massimo sandal wrote:
>> Have you read Inkscape's tutorials and documentation?
>>
>> I am quite baffled by your difficulties because Inkscape is almost
>> *trivial* to use. I have seen kids using it productively without help.
>> Perhaps you simply need to read a bit to figure out the basics.
>
>
> Yes I have read the tutorials. I have mot read the whole manual. I just
> have to draw lines, boxes with rounded corners and circles and
> triangles. I am good with everything but the triangles.

You're not using Inkscape to create flowcharts, right? There's a lot of
specialised software to do that. :-)

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