Was: Shuttleworth (SABDFL) wants to shutdown this ubuntu.user list
The discussion that this thread has spawned has planted this great world
changing idea in my head. This is a desperately needed improvement for mailman. As I understand it, a large part of the problem with moderating the mailing list is how limited moderation is (assuming the list remains open vs. 100% moderated.) When someone sends an ill thought message, it's already been received by every recipient. Moderators can only admonish the sender or ban them from posting. Either way, the thousands of people will continue replying to the original message. The result is that every 'bad' message will inevitably snowball. My idea is simply that mailman requires a function to 'lock a thread'. When invoked by a moderator, any reply to any message in that discussion thread gets rejected. I see no reason why this would not be relatively trivial to implement. Sure, it would be easy for people to work around, but only a few would, and those can be dealt with directly as misbehaving agents. I think that effectively disabling people's 'reply' button to an unwanted discussion thread would solve 90% of the problems with a list like this. -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
Was: Shuttleworth (SABDFL) wants to shutdown this ubuntu.user list
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Rashkae <ubuntu@tigershaunt.com> wrote:
* My idea is simply that mailman requires a function to 'lock a thread'. *When invoked by a moderator, any reply to any message in that discussion thread gets rejected. *I see no reason why this would not be relatively trivial to implement. *Sure, it would be easy for people to work around, but only a few would, and those can be dealt with directly as misbehaving agents. *I think that effectively disabling people's 'reply' button to an unwanted discussion thread would solve 90% of the problems with a list like this. Just last night I started digging around in*http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Mailman+3.0*to see what new features were planned for implementation in MailMan 3 to see if anything like this was already being coded up. I can't see anything like this in the 2.2 or 3 documents I found last night. From a brief (and I mean 10 second) think about it, it's should be easy to mark a message as mute, and then discard any new mail coming in which has this message id in the refers field of the message header. I was planning on seeing how I could pull the python source repo this evening, but as the sun is out, I've elected that the pub is a far more interesting bet. Might have a dig around this weekend. *-- Steve When one person suffers from a delusion it is insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
Was: Shuttleworth (SABDFL) wants to shutdown this ubuntu.user list
On 09/29/2011 10:23 AM, Rashkae wrote:
The discussion that this thread has spawned has planted this great world changing idea in my head. This is a desperately needed improvement for mailman. As I understand it, a large part of the problem with moderating the mailing list is how limited moderation is (assuming the list remains open vs. 100% moderated.) When someone sends an ill thought message, it's already been received by every recipient. Moderators can only admonish the sender or ban them from posting. Either way, the thousands of people will continue replying to the original message. The result is that every 'bad' message will inevitably snowball. My idea is simply that mailman requires a function to 'lock a thread'. When invoked by a moderator, any reply to any message in that discussion thread gets rejected. I see no reason why this would not be relatively trivial to implement. Sure, it would be easy for people to work around, but only a few would, and those can be dealt with directly as misbehaving agents. I think that effectively disabling people's 'reply' button to an unwanted discussion thread would solve 90% of the problems with a list like this. Well, if some people would refrain from just post post POST all the time, and just keep making things worse, it would help. The list performs a much needed function. BUT, when someone posts a question only the first three or four replies are somewhat worthwhile and on topic. From that point on the discussion devolves into stupidity. There are some people on the list that just *HAVE* to have the last word. They compete to see who can hang on longest. I manage a couple lists on Mailman and the options do rather suck. And, yes, if asked I would be willing to help with the list. -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb." - Benjamin Franklin - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
Was: Shuttleworth (SABDFL) wants to shutdown this ubuntu.user list
On Thu, September 29, 2011 17:23, Rashkae wrote:
> My idea is simply that mailman requires a function to 'lock a thread'. > When invoked by a moderator, any reply to any message in that discussion > thread gets rejected. I see no reason why this would not be relatively > trivial to implement. Sure, it would be easy for people to work around, > but only a few would, and those can be dealt with directly as > misbehaving agents. I think that effectively disabling people's 'reply' > button to an unwanted discussion thread would solve 90% of the problems > with a list like this. Due to the nature of SMTP (SIMPLE mail transfer protocol), this would be (almost) impossible to implement. -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
Was: Shuttleworth (SABDFL) wants to shutdown this ubuntu.user list
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Amedee Van Gasse <amedee-ubuntu@amedee.be> wrote:
On Thu, September 29, 2011 17:23, Rashkae wrote: > My idea is simply that mailman requires a function to 'lock a thread'. > When invoked by a moderator, any reply to any message in that discussion > thread gets rejected. *I see no reason why this would not be relatively > trivial to implement. *Sure, it would be easy for people to work around, > but only a few would, and those can be dealt with directly as > misbehaving agents. *I think that effectively disabling people's 'reply' > button to an unwanted discussion thread would solve 90% of the problems > with a list like this. Due to the nature of SMTP (SIMPLE mail transfer protocol), this would be (almost) impossible to implement. There's a feature similar to this on Google Groups, and I like it a lot.* That one actually works on new accounts.* In the groups I manage, each new member is set on moderation status, so that I have to approve or reject their messages.* As it works for me, if they never post there's no problem.* If their first post is reasonable, I remove the moderation.* I can restore the moderation or ban the user for future infractions, but I've never had to.* In practice, this filters out the folks who join just to spam the group.* It's low maintenance for me because I get an email whenever I have to take action, and this is just for each user's first post.* When there are no first posts, I don't even have to think about it.* The result for members is also good: they haven't seen spam in years. It would be interesting to see if the list could have a selective "hold and moderate" feature like this. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
Was: Shuttleworth (SABDFL) wants to shutdown this ubuntu.user list
On 30 Sep 2011, at 16:38, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> It would be interesting to see if the list could have a selective "hold and moderate" feature > like this. as this is a MailMan list, this could easily be implemented by changing just one setting. might be worth a try? regards, Jacob Mansfield -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
Was: Shuttleworth (SABDFL) wants to shutdown this ubuntu.user list
On Fri, September 30, 2011 17:38, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Amedee Van Gasse > <amedee-ubuntu@amedee.be>wrote: > >> On Thu, September 29, 2011 17:23, Rashkae wrote: >> >> > My idea is simply that mailman requires a function to 'lock a thread'. >> > When invoked by a moderator, any reply to any message in that >> discussion >> > thread gets rejected. I see no reason why this would not be >> relatively >> > trivial to implement. Sure, it would be easy for people to work >> around, >> > but only a few would, and those can be dealt with directly as >> > misbehaving agents. I think that effectively disabling people's >> 'reply' >> > button to an unwanted discussion thread would solve 90% of the >> problems >> > with a list like this. >> >> Due to the nature of SMTP (SIMPLE mail transfer protocol), this would be >> (almost) impossible to implement. >> >> There's a feature similar to this on Google Groups, and I like it a lot. > That one actually works > on new accounts. In the groups I manage, each new member is set on > moderation status, > so that I have to approve or reject their messages. As it works for me, > if > they never post > there's no problem. If their first post is reasonable, I remove the > moderation. I can restore > the moderation or ban the user for future infractions, but I've never had > to. In practice, this > filters out the folks who join just to spam the group. It's low > maintenance > for me because > I get an email whenever I have to take action, and this is just for each > user's first post. When > there are no first posts, I don't even have to think about it. The result > for members is also > good: they haven't seen spam in years. > > It would be interesting to see if the list could have a selective "hold > and > moderate" feature > like this. I'm sorry, but the feature that you describe in great detail (and I know about it, I have run mailman lists in the past) is totally different from the feature that the OP requested. -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
Was: Shuttleworth (SABDFL) wants to shutdown this ubuntu.user list
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Jacob Mansfield <cyberjacob@gmail.com> wrote:
On 30 Sep 2011, at 16:38, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > It would be interesting to see if the list could have a selective "hold and moderate" feature > like this. as this is a MailMan list, this could easily be implemented by changing just one setting. might be worth a try? Is it?* To make this work, selectivity is the key.* It would be wonderful if mailman could select either users or threads for this purpose, and if it were easy to edit the selections. I've not used mailman in about a decade.* Is it up to this? -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
Was: Shuttleworth (SABDFL) wants to shutdown this ubuntu.user list
On 30 Sep 2011, at 16:54, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Jacob Mansfield <cyberjacob@gmail.com> wrote:
On 30 Sep 2011, at 16:38, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > It would be interesting to see if the list could have a selective "hold and moderate" feature > like this. as this is a MailMan list, this could easily be implemented by changing just one setting. might be worth a try? Is it?* To make this work, selectivity is the key.* It would be wonderful if mailman could select either users or threads for this purpose, and if it were easy to edit the selections. I've not used mailman in about a decade.* Is it up to this? -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users It can be applied to new users, that their posts are under moderation, and thus have to be reviewed by an admin, by default. it'd be a lot of work to start with, but non-new members could also have this set to review everybody regards,Jacob Mansfield-- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
Was: Shuttleworth (SABDFL) wants to shutdown this ubuntu.user list
On Fri, September 30, 2011 17:59, Jacob Mansfield wrote:
> On 30 Sep 2011, at 16:54, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Jacob Mansfield <cyberjacob@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> On 30 Sep 2011, at 16:38, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: >> > It would be interesting to see if the list could have a selective >> "hold and moderate" feature >> > like this. >> >> as this is a MailMan list, this could easily be implemented by changing >> just one setting. might be worth a try? >> >> Is it? To make this work, selectivity is the key. It would be >> wonderful if mailman could select either users or >> threads for this purpose, and if it were easy to edit the selections. >> >> I've not used mailman in about a decade. Is it up to this? >> >> -- >> Kevin O'Gorman, PhD Kevin, Your signature separator is broken. It is "--" but it should be "-- ". >> -- >> ubuntu-users mailing list >> ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > It can be applied to new users, that their posts are under moderation, and > thus have to be reviewed by an admin, by default. it'd be a lot of work to > start with, but non-new members could also have this set to review > everybody This is not the feature that the topic starter requested. So you're actually going on a tangent in a thread that was already off topic. -- ubuntu-users mailing list ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
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