Another approach might be more fruitful. It is evident that there are
a number of people who really like to post OT stuff. Trying to silence
these people by moderation is, as we can already see, fraught with
problems. Giving them a good place to post OT material might solve a
lot of the problem.

What they need is an easy-as-possible alternative mailing list. The
bikeshed forum alternative is NOT good - javascript, ads, and way too
much other googleness. I am amazed that, with all the tech folks here,
SOMEONE could not start a 'real' mailing list something like UB-OT, or
if it needs more obfuscation, UBOT.

When that is set up and running, each email in need of moderation
would give the suggestion to move it to the OT **mailing** list [not
forum], and include the subscribe info. At that point, any
continuation could be moderated, since there is a *good* alternative.

Is there NOBODY here willing to set up such a 'real' mailing list? I
would think that with all the technical capabilities here, we would
already have such a MAILING LIST.

This was done for Mandrake and worked very well. Why not here? This
issue keeps coming up over, and over, and over...

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On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:20 PM, rikona <rikona@sonic.net> wrote:
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Is there NOBODY here willing to set up such a 'real' mailing list? I

would think that with all the technical capabilities here, we would

already have such a MAILING LIST.



This was done for Mandrake and worked very well. Why not here? This

issue keeps coming up over, and over, and over...


Feel free to begin at any time. Give us a shout when you're ready...
On a less flippant note, people always post Off topic stuff - it's happened since I started using mailing lists back in 91 or so and it will continue to do so in future.


Just killfile anything with OT in the subject line. The number of false positives are low enough for most people to not care.
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On 09/29/2011 11:20 AM, rikona wrote:

What they need is an easy-as-possible alternative mailing list. The
bikeshed forum alternative is NOT good - javascript, ads, and way too
much other googleness. I am amazed that, with all the tech folks here,
SOMEONE could not start a 'real' mailing list something like UB-OT, or
if it needs more obfuscation, UBOT.



<sarcasm> A truly insightful observation. The *real* problem is the
complete absence of a place (mailing list, website, blogs, newsgroups,
etc) for people to voice their non-technical support opinions and
discussions. </sarcasm>


That was perhaps a little rude of me, but I think the points stands.

//Proudly adding to the noise ratio since 2007. Don't see why I should
stop now








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Hi,

On 29 September 2011 16:20, rikona <rikona@sonic.net> wrote:
> Another approach might be more fruitful. It is evident that there are
> a number of people who really like to post OT stuff. Trying to silence
> these people by moderation is, as we can already see, fraught with
> problems. Giving them a good place to post OT material might solve a
> lot of the problem.
>

Well we could have a policy of "no OT" on the list, and police it
hard. People who transgress get warnings then mute/removal from the
list. It would certainly focus people's attention (and invite
censorship claims from some of the more militant members of the list).

> What they need is an easy-as-possible alternative mailing list. The
> bikeshed forum alternative is NOT good - javascript, ads, and way too
> much other googleness. I am amazed that, with all the tech folks here,
> SOMEONE could not start a 'real' mailing list something like UB-OT, or
> if it needs more obfuscation, UBOT.
>

Anyone can setup a mailing list if they want. You almost certainly
wont get approval for an offtopic one hosted on lists.ubuntu.com, but
anywhere else, go for it.

> Is there NOBODY here willing to set up such a 'real' mailing list? I
> would think that with all the technical capabilities here, we would
> already have such a MAILING LIST.
>

Many are technically capable. It's whether they want the headache of
running it. Honestly talking to some of the people on this list is
mentally and emotionally _exhausting_. I don't envy someone running an
entirely offtopic list.

Al.

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Hello Steve,

Thursday, September 29, 2011, 8:24:33 AM, Steve wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:20 PM, rikona <rikona@sonic.net> wrote:


>> Is there NOBODY here willing to set up such a 'real' mailing list? I
>> would think that with all the technical capabilities here, we would
>> already have such a MAILING LIST.
>>
>> This was done for Mandrake and worked very well. Why not here? This
>> issue keeps coming up over, and over, and over...
>>
>>
> Feel free to begin at any time. Give us a shout when you're ready...

> On a less flippant note,

On a serious note - if I had the ability to do so, it would already be
operational. Can YOU do that for us? It would be much more useful than
a flippant answer...

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