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Old 07-20-2011, 01:32 AM
Stephen Kuhn
 
Default Linus Torvalds delays Linux 3.0 launch due to a subtle bug

On Wed, 2011-07-20 at 11:12 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
> *LINUX FOUNDER* Linus Torvalds has said that he's delaying the release
> of Linux 3.0 due to the discovery of a bug.

OMG! A BUG? IN LINUX?
Nah...ya must be jokin mate...can't be ridgydigi...must be a joke...

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Old 07-20-2011, 03:05 AM
Jordon Bedwell
 
Default Linus Torvalds delays Linux 3.0 launch due to a subtle bug

On 07/19/2011 08:32 PM, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> OMG! A BUG? IN LINUX?
> Nah...ya must be jokin mate...can't be ridgydigi...must be a joke...

Naw man, you got it wrong, it's not a bug, it's an unexpected feature.


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Old 07-20-2011, 03:15 AM
Stephen Kuhn
 
Default Linus Torvalds delays Linux 3.0 launch due to a subtle bug

On Tue, 2011-07-19 at 22:05 -0500, Jordon Bedwell wrote:
> On 07/19/2011 08:32 PM, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> > OMG! A BUG? IN LINUX?
> > Nah...ya must be jokin mate...can't be ridgydigi...must be a joke...
>
> Naw man, you got it wrong, it's not a bug, it's an unexpected feature.

My bad!
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Old 07-20-2011, 03:17 AM
Basil Chupin
 
Default Linus Torvalds delays Linux 3.0 launch due to a subtle bug

On 20/07/11 11:32, Stephen Kuhn wrote:

On Wed, 2011-07-20 at 11:12 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:

*LINUX FOUNDER* Linus Torvalds has said that he's delaying the release
of Linux 3.0 due to the discovery of a bug.

OMG! A BUG? IN LINUX?
Nah...ya must be jokin mate...can't be ridgydigi...must be a joke...


When I read the story, the first thing which came to mind is this article:


http://www.infoworld.com/d/applications/microsoft-struggles-get-hyper-v-drivers-in-linux-kernel-357

Don't know why........

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Old 07-20-2011, 04:21 AM
Stephen Kuhn
 
Default Linus Torvalds delays Linux 3.0 launch due to a subtle bug

On Wed, 2011-07-20 at 13:17 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:

> > OMG! A BUG? IN LINUX?
> > Nah...ya must be jokin mate...can't be ridgydigi...must be a joke...
>
> When I read the story, the first thing which came to mind is this article:
> http://www.infoworld.com/d/applications/microsoft-struggles-get-hyper-v-drivers-in-linux-kernel-357
>
> Don't know why........
>
> BC

Well, that truly does explain THAT bit. M$ being "not on time" with a
project or with code. Yeppers. "Fashionably late", as it were. As well,
with Microsoft depositing code into the linux kernel, the next step is
to get the linux distributors to pay them $15 per copy sold - meaning
that "free as in beer" linux could be a thing of the past - shortly.
(Um, "Android Lessons" anyone?)

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Old 07-20-2011, 05:35 AM
Basil Chupin
 
Default Linus Torvalds delays Linux 3.0 launch due to a subtle bug

On 20/07/11 14:21, Stephen Kuhn wrote:

On Wed, 2011-07-20 at 13:17 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:


OMG! A BUG? IN LINUX?
Nah...ya must be jokin mate...can't be ridgydigi...must be a joke...

When I read the story, the first thing which came to mind is this article:
http://www.infoworld.com/d/applications/microsoft-struggles-get-hyper-v-drivers-in-linux-kernel-357

Don't know why........

BC

Well, that truly does explain THAT bit. M$ being "not on time" with a
project or with code. Yeppers. "Fashionably late", as it were. As well,
with Microsoft depositing code into the linux kernel, the next step is
to get the linux distributors to pay them $15 per copy sold - meaning
that "free as in beer" linux could be a thing of the past - shortly.
(Um, "Android Lessons" anyone?)



Strange that you should mention this.

A comment I made to someone elsewhere is that I can visualise this piece
of M$ code being patented - but provided under the GPL (?)v2 licence.
But then some time along M$ comes in with, "Ooopsie, one of our "rogue"
programmers, the very very naughty boy that he was!, provided this code
for the Linux kernel but.....well..... it IS patented you know.....and
so......".


BC

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Old 07-20-2011, 07:30 PM
Ernest Doub
 
Default Linus Torvalds delays Linux 3.0 launch due to a subtle bug

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 10:35 PM, Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:

On 20/07/11 14:21, Stephen Kuhn wrote:


On Wed, 2011-07-20 at 13:17 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:





OMG! A BUG? IN LINUX?

Nah...ya must be jokin mate...can't be ridgydigi...must be a joke...


When I read the story, the first thing which came to mind is this article:

http://www.infoworld.com/d/applications/microsoft-struggles-get-hyper-v-drivers-in-linux-kernel-357




Don't know why........



BC


Well, that truly does explain THAT bit. M$ being "not on time" with a

project or with code. Yeppers. "Fashionably late", as it were. As well,

with Microsoft depositing code into the linux kernel, the next step is

to get the linux distributors to pay them $15 per copy sold - meaning

that "free as in beer" linux could be a thing of the past - shortly.

(Um, "Android Lessons" anyone?)






Strange that you should mention this.



A comment I made to someone elsewhere is that I can visualise this piece of M$ code being patented - but provided under the GPL (?)v2 licence. But then some time along M$ comes in with, "Ooopsie, one of our "rogue" programmers, the very very naughty boy that he was!, provided this code for the Linux kernel but.....well..... it IS patented you know.....and so......".




BC

*"Microsoft began contributing Hyper-V code to the Linux kernel two years
ago after Linux community members pointed out that Microsoft was violating the GPL software license by using open source components within a Hyper-V driver."


More likely, based on this quote, that they would have to dump their entire driver and start over again from scratch.
Microsoft has finally been busted for using ideas/code developed by somebody else and claiming as their own proprietary work.


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Old 07-20-2011, 07:53 PM
Jordon Bedwell
 
Default Linus Torvalds delays Linux 3.0 launch due to a subtle bug

On 07/20/2011 02:30 PM, Ernest Doub wrote:
> More likely, based on this quote, that they would have to dump their entire
> driver and start over again from scratch.

It's counterproductive to to dump your driver when your initial goal
needs to be to support Linux too or just have a big money product die.
It would be like if KVM decided to never support Windows or even attempt
to support Windows, in some way. It just wouldn't have been as
successful as it was IMO because even I (as a sysadmin) know that some
of my clients will want virtualised Windows somewhere, sometime as
Microsoft knows that even they will eventually have clients who will
need to virtualise Linux too, actually last I heard that was the biggest
complaint about Microsoft virtualisation.

> Microsoft has finally been busted for using ideas/code developed by somebody
> else and claiming as their own proprietary work.

And so have lots of other companies, like Cisco and Cisco subsidiaries,
IBM has been caught patenting somebody else's software ideas (from
almost a decade earlier) too, just to have the USPTO find the prior-art
and go ahead and give IBM the patent. So it's ignorant to solely focus
on just Microsoft as if they are the root of the worlds evil.
Especially considering how old IBM is... Hell, if I remember right it
was Linksys who switched from micro Linux on the WRT54G to other
firmware to avoid releasing their router firmware as required under the
GPL just to eventually release it because of surrounding legal pressure.
I don't know if they moved back to Linux and GPL tools but I do
remember that whole fiasco kinda.

I'm no fan of Microsoft, ask anybody who has ever talked to me, but when
ignorance starts to shine over reality, somebody has to speak up and
mention that it's not just Microsoft doing this.

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Old 07-20-2011, 08:08 PM
Ernest Doub
 
Default Linus Torvalds delays Linux 3.0 launch due to a subtle bug

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Jordon Bedwell <jordon@envygeeks.com> wrote:

On 07/20/2011 02:30 PM, Ernest Doub wrote:

> More likely, based on this quote, that they would have to dump their entire

> driver and start over again from scratch.



It's counterproductive to to dump your driver when your initial goal

needs to be to support Linux too or just have a big money product die.

It would be like if KVM decided to never support Windows or even attempt

to support Windows, in some way. *It just wouldn't have been as

successful as it was IMO because even I (as a sysadmin) know that some

of my clients will want virtualised Windows somewhere, sometime as

Microsoft knows that even they will eventually have clients who will

need to virtualise Linux too, actually last I heard that was the biggest

complaint about Microsoft virtualisation.



> Microsoft has finally been busted for using ideas/code developed by somebody

> else and claiming as their own proprietary work.



And so have lots of other companies, like Cisco and Cisco subsidiaries,

IBM has been caught patenting somebody else's software ideas (from

almost a decade earlier) too, just to have the USPTO find the prior-art

and go ahead and give IBM the patent. *So it's ignorant to solely focus

on just Microsoft as if they are the root of the worlds evil.

Especially considering how old IBM is... *Hell, if I remember right it

was Linksys who switched from micro Linux on the WRT54G to other

firmware to avoid releasing their router firmware as required under the

GPL just to eventually release it because of surrounding legal pressure.

*I don't know if they moved back to Linux and GPL tools but I do

remember that whole fiasco kinda.



I'm no fan of Microsoft, ask anybody who has ever talked to me, but when

ignorance starts to shine over reality, somebody has to speak up and

mention that it's not just Microsoft doing this.



No it isn't just Microsoft.
Microsoft is just guilty of the most self righteous chest beating.* What goes around eventually comes around if you wait long enough.


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Old 07-20-2011, 08:12 PM
Avi
 
Default Linus Torvalds delays Linux 3.0 launch due to a subtle bug

Ernest Doub wrote:

> "Microsoft began contributing Hyper-V code to the Linux kernel two
> years ago after Linux community members pointed out that Microsoft
> was violating the GPL software
> license<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/23/microsoft_hyperv_gpl_violation/>by
> using open source components within a Hyper-V driver."
>
> More likely, based on this quote, that they would have to dump their
> entire driver and start over again from scratch.
> Microsoft has finally been busted for using ideas/code developed by
> somebody else and claiming as their own proprietary work.

No. They would have to comply with the GPL. Which they did. Two years
ago.

What has a bug in Linux 3.0 got to do with Microsoft anyway?

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