On a test machine, eMachines M350, 1gb RAM, integrated Intel graphics
(shared RAM), 160gb HD.

Originally, Natty's performance (brown bag) was absolutely horrible;
without any changes, just straight out of the "box".

As I've said, I can't stand Unity, or Gnome Shell, for that matter, so
in order to make this system "usable" by my standards, I had to put it
back to the way that I like, and feel the most comfortable with.

What I'm happy with:

* Gnome2
* Compiz + Emerald
* Cairo-dock
* "Normal" scrollbars

Right, so first things first, I had to get rid of Unity as I did not
want to have to resort to "choose at the GDM". Ok, easy enough. Log out,
choose "Gnome Classic", login. In Synaptics Package Manager, locate
"Unity" and remove it. As well, I hate the scrollbars, so I located
"scrollbar-overlay" and the associated lib - for removal. Applied that,
then ran "sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get autoremove"
to make sure everything was hunky-dory. Again, prior to rebooting, I
also made sure I had all the bits and bobs of Gnome that I wanted -
especially all the Gnome2 stuff that I "require", along with all the
restricted "extras" (had to also edit the /etc/apt/sources.list" to make
sure everything was THERE). All good. Again, for giggles and grins, ran
"sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get autoremove" - fine.
Reboot time.

After getting to the desktop and making sure that fusion-icon was doing
it's bit, whoa - I noticed that Emerald wasn't doing it's job -
decorating the windows and hey, I didn't have proper control of the
windows! Right oh - search a tad, and hey, whaddya know? The version of
Emerald that's in the repo's AIN'T compatible with the version of compiz
(0.9.2) that we're using! Oh dang! However, by following the link at:
http://ubuntugenius.wordpress.com/2011/05/22/ubuntu-11-04-fix-enable-emerald-themes-for-compiz-fusion-window-borders-title-bars/
...and reading/installing/following the instructions, I was able to get
emerald via git, rebuild it to suit the "new" version of compiz, and
hey! Don't ya know! Works like a charm! (Just had to double check some
of my compiz settings and make sure everything was great). Yeehaw!

Now, regardless of what anyone thinks of compiz/fusion/emerald, and how
it impacts performance, I'll say that I'm more than happy having my old
"desktop" back - even on a cheesy little netbook that did NOT fly under
11.04+Unity, but now, under 11.04+Gnome2+Compiz, it's moving heaps
faster and heaps more responsive than I witnessed under the old regime.
Very happy with this.

Now after doing a few other little tweaks here and there (tweaking
the /etc/sysctl.conf, hdparm.conf, adding dnscache-run) I'm feeling that
the performance is a bit better than my old install of 10.10 on this
machine...so, from the past, I'm not knocking 11.04, just the "gift
wrap" it came in. Stripping out the "junk" or "cruft" made all the
difference in the world - down to doing simple things like playing vids,
scanning wireless networks, and producing invoices for clients (oh yeah,
and running MMC to convert vid formats) - lovely.

Possibly, when 11.10 or 12.04 comes out, "Jasper" will be the "Emerald"
of compiz, Unity will have grown up a bit and will work nicely with
Gnome3, Gnome Shell will have grown up a bit and gotten a bit more
ergonomic, however, that's for another date and time.

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On 21/06/11 17:20, Stephen Kuhn wrote:

On a test machine, eMachines M350, 1gb RAM, integrated Intel graphics
(shared RAM), 160gb HD.

Originally, Natty's performance (brown bag) was absolutely horrible;
without any changes, just straight out of the "box".

As I've said, I can't stand Unity, or Gnome Shell, for that matter, so
in order to make this system "usable" by my standards, I had to put it
back to the way that I like, and feel the most comfortable with.

What I'm happy with:

* Gnome2
* Compiz + Emerald
* Cairo-dock
* "Normal" scrollbars

Right, so first things first, I had to get rid of Unity as I did not
want to have to resort to "choose at the GDM". Ok, easy enough.



[pruned]

OK, so after all that blurb, what was that you were actually trying to
say? :-)


If you want to have something decent to work with try GNOME 3.

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On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 17:58 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
[more pruned]
> OK, so after all that blurb, what was that you were actually trying to
> say? :-)
>
> If you want to have something decent to work with try GNOME 3.
>
> BC

That, my fiendish friend, is the next one on the list. Just have to get
past this "making enough dosh to pay the bills" bit...

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On 21/06/11 18:07, Stephen Kuhn wrote:

On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 17:58 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
[more pruned]

OK, so after all that blurb, what was that you were actually trying to
say? :-)

If you want to have something decent to work with try GNOME 3.

BC

That, my fiendish friend, is the next one on the list. Just have to get
past this "making enough dosh to pay the bills" bit...


Gosh, is that all that was about?!

You want to make some "dosh" from your clients to pay your bills then
there is simply "no contest": simply install Gnome 3 proper - not the
gnome2 fall-back as you now have - on their systems.


And watch the moola roll in :-) .

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On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 19:30 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:

> You want to make some "dosh" from your clients to pay your bills then
> there is simply "no contest": simply install Gnome 3 proper - not the
> gnome2 fall-back as you now have - on their systems.
>
> And watch the moola roll in :-) .

Technically, no, mate. I'll keep the paying clients on 10.04 until the
bitter end and THEN some, however, for NEW clients, they'll get either
the tried and tested 10.04 or if they're adventurous, the 11.04 - still
LTS...but stripped/ripped/equipped...

...and have to keep money rolling in...Centrelink ain't a great pay...
Ha!

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On 21/06/11 20:02, Stephen Kuhn wrote:

On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 19:30 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:


You want to make some "dosh" from your clients to pay your bills then
there is simply "no contest": simply install Gnome 3 proper - not the
gnome2 fall-back as you now have - on their systems.

And watch the moola roll in :-) .

Technically, no, mate. I'll keep the paying clients on 10.04 until the
bitter end and THEN some, however, for NEW clients, they'll get either
the tried and tested 10.04 or if they're adventurous, the 11.04 - still
LTS...but stripped/ripped/equipped...

...and have to keep money rolling in...Centrelink ain't a great pay...
Ha!


HA!

*NOW* I understand!

You haven't been paying attention to what I had written before, have
you? :-)


You haven't even looked at this URL which I provided earlier:

http://www.gnome.org/getting-gnome/

have you? No.

Nor have you paid any attention to this one:

http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME3

right? :-)

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On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 21:03 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:

> HA!
>
> *NOW* I understand!
>
> You haven't been paying attention to what I had written before, have
> you? :-)
>
> You haven't even looked at this URL which I provided earlier:

I'm allowed to say "yes" and "no" at the same time, ain't I?

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On 21/06/11 21:25, Stephen Kuhn wrote:

On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 21:03 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:


HA!

*NOW* I understand!

You haven't been paying attention to what I had written before, have
you? :-)

You haven't even looked at this URL which I provided earlier:

I'm allowed to say "yes" and "no" at the same time, ain't I?


But of course.

I have nothing but respect for anyone who is decisive and can make up
his/her mind :-D .


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On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 05:20:52PM +1000, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> On a test machine, eMachines M350, 1gb RAM, integrated Intel graphics
> (shared RAM), 160gb HD.
>
> Originally, Natty's performance (brown bag) was absolutely horrible;
> without any changes, just straight out of the "box".
>
> As I've said, I can't stand Unity, or Gnome Shell, for that matter, so
> in order to make this system "usable" by my standards, I had to put it
> back to the way that I like, and feel the most comfortable with.
>
> What I'm happy with:
>
> * Gnome2
> * Compiz + Emerald
> * Cairo-dock
> * "Normal" scrollbars
>
> Right, so first things first, I had to get rid of Unity as I did not
> want to have to resort to "choose at the GDM". Ok, easy enough. Log out,
> choose "Gnome Classic", login. In Synaptics Package Manager, locate
> "Unity" and remove it. As well, I hate the scrollbars, so I located
> "scrollbar-overlay" and the associated lib - for removal. Applied that,
> then ran "sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get autoremove"
> to make sure everything was hunky-dory. Again, prior to rebooting, I
> also made sure I had all the bits and bobs of Gnome that I wanted -
> especially all the Gnome2 stuff that I "require", along with all the
> restricted "extras" (had to also edit the /etc/apt/sources.list" to make
> sure everything was THERE). All good. Again, for giggles and grins, ran
> "sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get autoremove" - fine.
> Reboot time.
>
> After getting to the desktop and making sure that fusion-icon was doing
> it's bit, whoa - I noticed that Emerald wasn't doing it's job -
> decorating the windows and hey, I didn't have proper control of the
> windows! Right oh - search a tad, and hey, whaddya know? The version of
> Emerald that's in the repo's AIN'T compatible with the version of compiz
> (0.9.2) that we're using! Oh dang! However, by following the link at:
> http://ubuntugenius.wordpress.com/2011/05/22/ubuntu-11-04-fix-enable-emerald-themes-for-compiz-fusion-window-borders-title-bars/
> ...and reading/installing/following the instructions, I was able to get
> emerald via git, rebuild it to suit the "new" version of compiz, and
> hey! Don't ya know! Works like a charm! (Just had to double check some
> of my compiz settings and make sure everything was great). Yeehaw!
>
> Now, regardless of what anyone thinks of compiz/fusion/emerald, and how
> it impacts performance, I'll say that I'm more than happy having my old
> "desktop" back - even on a cheesy little netbook that did NOT fly under
> 11.04+Unity, but now, under 11.04+Gnome2+Compiz, it's moving heaps
> faster and heaps more responsive than I witnessed under the old regime.
> Very happy with this.
>
> Now after doing a few other little tweaks here and there (tweaking
> the /etc/sysctl.conf, hdparm.conf, adding dnscache-run) I'm feeling that
> the performance is a bit better than my old install of 10.10 on this
> machine...so, from the past, I'm not knocking 11.04, just the "gift
> wrap" it came in. Stripping out the "junk" or "cruft" made all the
> difference in the world - down to doing simple things like playing vids,
> scanning wireless networks, and producing invoices for clients (oh yeah,
> and running MMC to convert vid formats) - lovely.
>
> Possibly, when 11.10 or 12.04 comes out, "Jasper" will be the "Emerald"
> of compiz, Unity will have grown up a bit and will work nicely with
> Gnome3, Gnome Shell will have grown up a bit and gotten a bit more
> ergonomic, however, that's for another date and time.
>
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I just might give 11.04 a try/download based on your experience. I am
still on 10.10. I would not go as far as git'ing emerald.

I am not sure why the developers tried imitating gnome-shell with unity.
Why reinvent the wheel?
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On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 12:29 -0500, teicah wrote:

> I just might give 11.04 a try/download based on your experience. I am
> still on 10.10. I would not go as far as git'ing emerald.
>
> I am not sure why the developers tried imitating gnome-shell with unity.
> Why reinvent the wheel?

I'm quite happy with the 2.6.38 kernel - that's why I wanted to move up
to 11.04 so badly, but it was silly stuff like Unity and scrollbars and
just all the overtaxing of system resource for naught; and yes,
Unity/Gnome Shell are both similar weasels, then again, so is
Fluxbox/Openbox/Blackbox, Rox/LXDE/IceWM, WindowMaker/Afterstep, and
KDE/MS Windows....the list goes on...

Either which, the fact remains that linux, like Hungry Jacks/Burger
King, you can "have it your way" regardless of what's on the menu.
11.04's guts are nice, regardless of the face it's been given.
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