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Old 02-12-2008, 02:18 AM
Leonard Chatagnier
 
Default Another WIFI Issue Involving WMP54G & /etc/hosts

--- Derek Broughton <news@pointerstop.ca> wrote:

> Leonard Chatagnier wrote:
>
> >
> > --- Peter Garrett <peter.garrett@optusnet.com.au>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Just as an aside, Leonard - many people have
> tried
> >> to help you since you
> >> joined the list. I think complaining about
> volunteer
> >> help is a bit rich,
> >> don't you?
> >>
> > No, not in this case. Sometimes a person needing
> help
> > just needs a simple straight forward answer to a
> > direct question for him to make progress.
>
> If you want a straightforward answer, you have to
> ask a straightforward
> - and answerable - question.
>
> The question you asked made no sense, because (a) it
> _is_ the
> default /etc/hosts you would get in a brand new
> installation and (b) you
> didn't bother to tell us why you felt it was causing
> a problem.
>
Here's where we differ. It was not the default hosts
file. I myself have modified it several times. And it
does not agree with the just installed Ubu-gutsy
/etc/hosts file on the 64 bit version. The file was
modified by me the first time when I had the trouble
with postfix, mutt, /etc/hosts, etc, Lost my backup
somehow; don't remember now. And asked at that time
how I could get the default back. There was no viable
answer to the question. Don't take offense because
this is the facts from by insight and viewpoint. If
you are saying something else in Items a and b above
then it's just not coming through to me, sorry.
So, I'll ask straight forward again, will rming the
/etc/host/ file regenerate the original first install
version or at least a correct rendition, if not how?
I really would like the answer to this question, I
think it's important to a Linux user and could be
important in the future if one doesn't have a backup.
You can be assured that the first thing I do after the
gutsy reinstall is to backup the whole ?etc dir, but I
still would appreciate the answer to my question.
Thanks if you do.

> fwiw, I think you're barking up the wrong tree ...
> again. There's nothing
> in that /etc/hosts to affect your WIFI
> --
> derek
>

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Old 02-12-2008, 06:45 PM
Dan Farrell
 
Default Another WIFI Issue Involving WMP54G & /etc/hosts

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:18:54 -0800 (PST)
Leonard Chatagnier <lenc5570@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> will rming the
> /etc/host/ file regenerate the original first install
> version or at least a correct rendition

I doubt it, but

> it
> does not agree with the just installed Ubu-gutsy
> /etc/hosts file on the 64 bit version.

why don't you just use that file? /etc/hosts is not going to change
with architecture.

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Old 02-12-2008, 08:22 PM
Leonard Chatagnier
 
Default Another WIFI Issue Involving WMP54G & /etc/hosts

--- Dan Farrell <dan@spore.ath.cx> wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:18:54 -0800 (PST)
> Leonard Chatagnier <lenc5570@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > will rming the
> > /etc/host/ file regenerate the original first
> install
> > version or at least a correct rendition
>
> I doubt it, but
>
> > it
> > does not agree with the just installed Ubu-gutsy
> > /etc/hosts file on the 64 bit version.
>
> why don't you just use that file? /etc/hosts is not
> going to change
> with architecture.
>
I did in fact do that, modified for diff in hosts
names.
Have also reinstalled gutsy and found that besides the
localhost there is only entry for the IP and computer
name. Bet I remember that in the future. Expect that
is what Deric was alluding to.
Did have trouble installing with the alternate CD in
expert mode but retained my home directory. Somehow,
it just installed the base code and I had to install
everything else including ubuntu and desktop before I
could get a full souces.list and get online. Yeah, I
installed my card and got online without any
additional help; Oh, hurt myself again. I expect my
altermnate cd is good as I did get X working finally
but had difficulty reading it as it was made with a
new machine and this is an old circa 2000 machine.
Thanks for you rsponse and all those on the list who
helped. I'm good now but haven't rebooted, we'll see.
Thanks again,

Leonard Chatagnier
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Old 02-13-2008, 03:09 PM
Derek Broughton
 
Default Another WIFI Issue Involving WMP54G & /etc/hosts

Leonard Chatagnier wrote:

> --- Derek Broughton <news@pointerstop.ca> wrote:
>
>> Leonard Chatagnier wrote:
>>
>> > No, not in this case. Sometimes a person needing
>> help
>> > just needs a simple straight forward answer to a
>> > direct question for him to make progress.
>>
>> If you want a straightforward answer, you have to
>> ask a straightforward
>> - and answerable - question.
>>
>> The question you asked made no sense, because (a) it
>> _is_ the
>> default /etc/hosts you would get in a brand new
>> installation and (b) you
>> didn't bother to tell us why you felt it was causing
>> a problem.
>>
> Here's where we differ. It was not the default hosts
> file. I myself have modified it several times.

OK, it's true that I can't actually tell that it was the original. However,
I can tell that it is _structurally_ exactly like a default /etc/hosts.

> answer to the question. Don't take offense because
> this is the facts from by insight and viewpoint.

I'm not taking offense to the question, I'm pointing out that nobody _could_
give you the answer in the way you wanted it. There's nothing wrong with
your hosts file.

> So, I'll ask straight forward again, will rming the
> /etc/host/ file regenerate the original first install

No.

> version or at least a correct rendition, if not how?
>
>> fwiw, I think you're barking up the wrong tree ...
>> again. There's nothing
>> in that /etc/hosts to affect your WIFI

ibid
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Old 02-13-2008, 03:59 PM
Leonard Chatagnier
 
Default Another WIFI Issue Involving WMP54G & /etc/hosts

Ok. Thanks for the clarification and the answer I
wanted to hear. I have a backup in my home folder for
all of /etc from a new install so the issue shouldn't
come up again and we can forget the whole issue.
Appreciate your comeback and thanks,

--- Derek Broughton <news@pointerstop.ca> wrote:

> Leonard Chatagnier wrote:
>
> > --- Derek Broughton <news@pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> Leonard Chatagnier wrote:
> >>
> >> > No, not in this case. Sometimes a person
> needing
> >> help
> >> > just needs a simple straight forward answer to
> a
> >> > direct question for him to make progress.
> >>
> >> If you want a straightforward answer, you have to
> >> ask a straightforward
> >> - and answerable - question.
> >>
> >> The question you asked made no sense, because (a)
> it
> >> _is_ the
> >> default /etc/hosts you would get in a brand new
> >> installation and (b) you
> >> didn't bother to tell us why you felt it was
> causing
> >> a problem.
> >>
> > Here's where we differ. It was not the default
> hosts
> > file. I myself have modified it several times.
>
> OK, it's true that I can't actually tell that it was
> the original. However,
> I can tell that it is _structurally_ exactly like a
> default /etc/hosts.
>
> > answer to the question. Don't take offense
> because
> > this is the facts from by insight and viewpoint.
>
> I'm not taking offense to the question, I'm pointing
> out that nobody _could_
> give you the answer in the way you wanted it.
> There's nothing wrong with
> your hosts file.
>
> > So, I'll ask straight forward again, will rming
> the
> > /etc/host/ file regenerate the original first
> install
>
> No.
>
> > version or at least a correct rendition, if not
> how?
> >
> >> fwiw, I think you're barking up the wrong tree
> ...
> >> again. There's nothing
> >> in that /etc/hosts to affect your WIFI
>
> ibid
> --
> derek
>
>
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Old 02-15-2008, 03:46 AM
Dan Farrell
 
Default Another WIFI Issue Involving WMP54G & /etc/hosts

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:59:52 -0800 (PST)
Leonard Chatagnier <lenc5570@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I have a backup in my home folder for
> all of /etc from a new install

Updates are applied to /etc, are they not? If so, these backups aren't
as useful as you might think. Be careful rolling back these files.

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Old 02-15-2008, 06:46 AM
Leonard Chatagnier
 
Default Another WIFI Issue Involving WMP54G & /etc/hosts

--- Dan Farrell <dan@spore.ath.cx> wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:59:52 -0800 (PST)
> Leonard Chatagnier <lenc5570@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > I have a backup in my home folder for
> > all of /etc from a new install
>
> Updates are applied to /etc, are they not? If so,
> these backups aren't
> as useful as you might think. Be careful rolling
> back these files.
>
Thanks Dan for this bit of advise. I'll keep it in
mind. However, with all the trouble I've had with the
gutsy alt CD, like about 6 reinstalls that always left
a different part of the selected software not
installed, some kernels not having the required
rt61pci modules needed for my wifi card, etc, etc,
I'll be looking a /etc closely for a while. I'm
considering filing a bug report. Don't see how it
could be a bad CD(cd verified and md5sums checked)
since I was able to load by hand everything the CD
left out. I just now was able to get online using the
linux generic kernel and need to upgrade. What a
chore and just needed to complain about the buggy alt
i386 CD.
Your advise is good and I will remember it.
Thanks,


Leonard Chatagnier
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