On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Bill Stanley <bstanle@wowway.com> wrote:
> On 01/10/2011 02:47 PM, Lucio M Nicolosi wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Bill Stanley<bstanle@wowway.com> *wrote:
>>>
>>> Very good news! *Now some further questions. *On the download page of the
>>> Ubuntu website I see that there is a separate web-page for netbooks.
>>> *What's
>>> the difference (if any) between a laptop and a netbook. * I suspect that
>>> I
>>> do not want the netbook version. *Should I go to the desktop download
>>> page
>>> and select 64-bit desktop? *I have, up to now, used only a traditional
>>> desktop. *Are there special procedures to use when installing Ubuntu to a
>>> laptop?
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> I guess you hijacked your own thread, wasn't the subject "create a
>> boot-able disk from an iso file"?
>>
>> I also suppose you want the desktop edition for your notebook. But I
>> could be wrong.
>>
>> Simple rule:
>>
>> More than 3.5 GB RAM memory -> *64 bit system
>>
>> (Although I have a 2 GB station that runs happily on 64, installed by
>> mistake)
>>
>> As for special instructions regarding laptops installs, better put
>> them on the table because they tend to warm your lap and people say it
>> isn't good for your... sorry, too much OT...
>
>
> Oops! *You are right about hijacking this thread. *I actually started a
> different thread to ask that question.
>
> The laptop actually belongs to an older woman and I am trying to do a favor
> for her. *She had her Windows *OS THOROUGHLY trashed by a virus. It was so
> bad that she decided to give Ubuntu a try. *So I have a few chores to
> consider.
>
> The first decision was 64-bit or 32 bit. *That has been settled as there is
> no reason to go with 64 bit with less than 4 Gb of RAM.
>
> the second decision was that she still wants to access Windows occasionally.
> * ( I can't blame her for her apprehensions, it's a big step to take for
> most people.) *Wine is out of the question for the average computer user. *I
> considered dual boot but that would leave much of the HD as idle most of the
> time. *She also would have troubles sharing data. *That leaves the VM
> running WinXP. *She is proficient enough to handle most of the issues of a
> VM. *The problem was that the virus badly corrupted the reinstall partition
> that Dell puts on the HD. *They also do not give a physical reinstall disk.
> *Unless someone knows of a legal way to get a reinstall image for use in the
> VM i'm forced to go pirate even though I don't like it.
>
> Bill Stanley
>

Since some messages were inadvertently sent directly to the OP instead
of the list, I'm re-posting then for easier understanding.


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On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Bill Stanley <bstanle@wowway.com> wrote:
> On 01/10/2011 02:32 PM, Lucio M Nicolosi wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Bill Stanley<bstanle@wowway.com> *wrote:
>>>
>>> On 01/10/2011 01:23 PM, Lucio M Nicolosi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> (And by the way, beware possible embedded bugs, virus or malware)
>>>
>>> The warning is appreciated! *Since the VM is for personal work only I'm
>>> not
>>> too worried about any data I might have on it. *If I get a virus on it, I
>>> plan to do a reinstall of the guest after trying to revert to an earlier
>>> state (Via snapshot). By the way, is it possible for a virus infesting a
>>> guest VM to get out of the VM and affect the Ubuntu host?
>>
>> (I believe) It is unlikely (host Linux guest Win), but it could infest
>> other Win stations on a network or even compromise your personal data.
>> It is just an opinion since nowadays I seldon use Win and probably
>> became (too much) careless and uninformed about virus matters.
>
> Amen to that! *Since the laptop is for home use only and there is no
> network, a virus spreading to other Win computers is not a concern
>
> Bill Stanley
>



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>> no reason to go with 64 bit with less than 4 Gb of RAM.
>>
>> the second decision was that she still wants to access Windows
>occasionally.
>> ? ( I can't blame her for her apprehensions, it's a big step to take
for
>> most people.) ?Wine is out of the question for the average computer
user.
>?I
>> considered dual boot but that would leave much of the HD as idle most
of
>the
>> time. ?She also would have troubles sharing data. ?That leaves the VM
>> running WinXP. ?She is proficient enough to handle most of the issues
of
>a
>> VM. ?The problem was that the virus badly corrupted the reinstall
>partition
>> that Dell puts on the HD. ?They also do not give a physical reinstall
>disk.
>> ?Unless someone knows of a legal way to get a reinstall image for use
in
>the
>> VM i'm forced to go pirate even though I don't like it.
>>
>> Bill Stanley
>>
>
>Since some messages were inadvertently sent directly to the OP instead
>of the list, I'm re-posting then for easier understanding.

The install isn't what makes it illegal -- the lack of a unique license
is. These are probably recoverable from the registry, unfortunately, MS
started encrypting them, so the only way I know to get them is by
running one of several tools (Google is your friend) on the machine in
question. If you can still boot into it, you should try and recover
those licenses.

Also, if you have got the system de-loused, there are tools out there
that will create a VM from the system directly. (I'm guilty, but you
really should make a copy or clone of a system before running anti-virus
just in case it goes badly.) If you can get the license information (it
should also be on a sticker on the laptop somewhere), you might be able
to get some trial XP ISOs from Microsoft or from other places, and just
register the license with the existing code.

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On 01/10/2011 04:58 PM, Boggess Rod wrote:

no reason to go with 64 bit with less than 4 Gb of RAM.

the second decision was that she still wants to access Windows

occasionally.

? ( I can't blame her for her apprehensions, it's a big step to take

for

most people.) ?Wine is out of the question for the average computer

user.

?I

considered dual boot but that would leave much of the HD as idle most

of

the

time. ?She also would have troubles sharing data. ?That leaves the VM
running WinXP. ?She is proficient enough to handle most of the issues

of

a

VM. ?The problem was that the virus badly corrupted the reinstall

partition

that Dell puts on the HD. ?They also do not give a physical reinstall

disk.

?Unless someone knows of a legal way to get a reinstall image for use

in

the

VM i'm forced to go pirate even though I don't like it.

Bill Stanley



Since some messages were inadvertently sent directly to the OP instead
of the list, I'm re-posting then for easier understanding.


The install isn't what makes it illegal -- the lack of a unique license
is. These are probably recoverable from the registry, unfortunately, MS
started encrypting them, so the only way I know to get them is by
running one of several tools (Google is your friend) on the machine in
question. If you can still boot into it, you should try and recover
those licenses.

Also, if you have got the system de-loused, there are tools out there
that will create a VM from the system directly. (I'm guilty, but you
really should make a copy or clone of a system before running anti-virus
just in case it goes badly.) If you can get the license information (it
should also be on a sticker on the laptop somewhere), you might be able
to get some trial XP ISOs from Microsoft or from other places, and just
register the license with the existing code.


I know all this already... Luckily, I was able to download a version of
Win XP where the DRM stuff was disabled. I have to observe the VM
carefully since I know that is is a cracked version. On the plus side,
a lot of the MS bloat-ware has been removed and it is ideal for use in a
VM. (the footprint is very small) Updates are out of the question, the
MS firewall and virus checker ??? has been also disabled. This makes it
really dangerous as a stand alone OS but for a VM (particularly for home
use) it seems OK. Only time will tell.


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On 11/01/2011 16:45, Bill Stanley wrote:


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I know all this already... Luckily, I was able to download a version
of Win XP where the DRM stuff was disabled.


I suspect that you *really* mean WPA and not DRM, right?

(BTW, some Virtual Boxes and even Virtual Machines will not install the
original XP but at the least only XP with Service Pack 2.)



I have to observe the VM carefully since I know that is is a cracked
version.


Oh boy, I think that you are playing with fire ol' boy.

You don't seem to know the difference between VB and VM.

Do you mean VM as in what you stated in one of your first posts to mean
*Virtual* *Box* (VB), which comes with Ubuntu and for which there is no
need for a "crack", or VM as in IBM's VM or VMWare's VM cracked version
which may be found if one looks?


You sound like the posts from a person my wife came across a while back:
that person quite openly posted in a public forum that she copies DVDs
and sends them out to her friends so that they can discuss the fillums
during their "fillum nights".



On the plus side, a lot of the MS bloat-ware has been removed and it
is ideal for use in a VM. (the footprint is very small) Updates are
out of the question, the MS firewall and virus checker ??? has been
also disabled.


Oh boy, oh boy.....

Sheesh.....You can disable both in a normal installation of Windows XP
any way.....



This makes it really dangerous as a stand alone OS but for a VM
(particularly for home use) it seems OK. Only time will tell.


Hrumph.

Good luck.

(You're really kinda 'stumbling in the dark' about this whole thing
aren't you? :-( )



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Hi!

On 11/01/2011 07:51, Basil Chupin wrote:
> On 11/01/2011 16:45, Bill Stanley wrote:
>
>
> [pruned]
>
>
>> I know all this already... Luckily, I was able to download a version
>> of Win XP where the DRM stuff was disabled.
>
> I suspect that you *really* mean WPA and not DRM, right?
Newbie confusion on his side, most likely... Doesn't really know what he
is talking about...
>> I have to observe the VM carefully since I know that is is a
>> cracked version.
>
> Oh boy, I think that you are playing with fire ol' boy.
>
> You don't seem to know the difference between VB and VM.
>
> Do you mean VM as in what you stated in one of your first posts to
> mean *Virtual* *Box* (VB), which comes with Ubuntu and for which there
> is no need for a "crack", or VM as in IBM's VM or VMWare's VM cracked
> version which may be found if one looks?
I suspect he is running a cracked virtual machine inside virtual box. In
which case the term "cracked version" for the "VM" is somewhat correct.
Though I would say that the virtual machine is running a cracked guest
operating system image... But he gets the point across. What he is doing
isn't legitimate.
>
> You sound like the posts from a person my wife came across a while
> back: that person quite openly posted in a public forum that she
> copies DVDs and sends them out to her friends so that they can discuss
> the fillums during their "fillum nights".
Yep. And he is posting all this on a somewhat public mailing list that
is archived. Convenient for lots of copyright enforcement people out
there. Sheesh.....You can disable both in a normal installation of
Windows XP any way.....
>> This makes it really dangerous as a stand alone OS but for a VM
>> (particularly for home use) it seems OK. Only time will tell.
>
> Hrumph.
>
> Good luck.
>
> (You're really kinda 'stumbling in the dark' about this whole thing
> aren't you? :-( )
>
Stumbling in the dark, yes... next to a very steep and high cliff...
kind of fun to read here. Definitely made my morning smile.

Gilles.


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<Remainder elided.>
>
>I know all this already... Luckily, I was able to download a version
of
>Win XP where the DRM stuff was disabled. I have to observe the VM
>carefully since I know that is is a cracked version. On the plus side,
>a lot of the MS bloat-ware has been removed and it is ideal for use in
a
>VM. (the footprint is very small) Updates are out of the question,
the
>MS firewall and virus checker ??? has been also disabled. This makes
it
>really dangerous as a stand alone OS but for a VM (particularly for
home
>use) it seems OK. Only time will tell.
>
>Bill Stanley
>

I don't understand why you would want to run a lobotomized version when
you have a legal license. I don't really want to know more details, but
if you change your mind, you can get the install disks here:

http://www.tipandtrick.net/2008/download-unmodified-original-windows-xp-
with-sp3-integrated-full-retail-and-vl-install-cd-iso-image-from-msdntec
hnet-plus-via-http-or-torrent/

If you're your schizophrenic friend, that's fine; but if you're really
turning this loose on someone else, I hope they're a friend you plan to
visit often. You know they'll save the image when they shut it down.
Within fifteen minutes of connecting the VM to the network, the saved
image will include viruses. Then you'll have to provide a new, clean VM
(sans all their saved documents).

Anyway, I really don't want to know, but if you only used the pirated
version because it's all you could find, you might change your mind and
have another go with these install images, and use the license number on
the sticker attached to the laptop. I'm pretty sure you can still
(legally) run this inside of a VM, but DRM will block many games because
they're running in a VM (even if it's legal).

(I've been running WinDirStat lately looking for my lost disk space, so
I know what you mean by bloat. The XP patches consume as much space as
the Original XP Pro SP3 install. It has doubled in size. This means, in
essence, that MS completely rewrote XP since it was released. Wow.)

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On 01/11/2011 01:59 AM, Gilles Gravier wrote:

Hi!

On 11/01/2011 07:51, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 11/01/2011 16:45, Bill Stanley wrote:


[pruned]



I know all this already... Luckily, I was able to download a version
of Win XP where the DRM stuff was disabled.


I suspect that you *really* mean WPA and not DRM, right?

Newbie confusion on his side, most likely... Doesn't really know what he
is talking about...


This thread might seem confusing but I am a newbie only to VirtualBox.
I have been using computers since the early 1980's. I have been using
Linux on and off since the late 1990's. I have never gotten a virus
because I am aware of the risks, that is why I use Linux to access the
Internet. By the way, although my area of study is very narrow
(software debugging, testing and verification) I have an advanced degree
in that area. Granted, I might be a VirtualBox newbie but I am far from
being a newbie to computers.



I have to observe the VM carefully since I know that is is a
cracked version.


Oh boy, I think that you are playing with fire ol' boy.

You don't seem to know the difference between VB and VM.

Do you mean VM as in what you stated in one of your first posts to
mean *Virtual* *Box* (VB), which comes with Ubuntu and for which there
is no need for a "crack", or VM as in IBM's VM or VMWare's VM cracked
version which may be found if one looks?

I suspect he is running a cracked virtual machine inside virtual box. In
which case the term "cracked version" for the "VM" is somewhat correct.
Though I would say that the virtual machine is running a cracked guest
operating system image... But he gets the point across. What he is doing
isn't legitimate.


You sound like the posts from a person my wife came across a while
back: that person quite openly posted in a public forum that she
copies DVDs and sends them out to her friends so that they can discuss
the fillums during their "fillum nights".

Yep. And he is posting all this on a somewhat public mailing list that
is archived. Convenient for lots of copyright enforcement people out
there. Sheesh.....You can disable both in a normal installation of
Windows XP any way.....

This makes it really dangerous as a stand alone OS but for a VM
(particularly for home use) it seems OK. Only time will tell.


Hrumph.

Good luck.

(You're really kinda 'stumbling in the dark' about this whole thing
aren't you? :-( )


Stumbling in the dark, yes... next to a very steep and high cliff...
kind of fun to read here. Definitely made my morning smile.

Gilles.


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[pruned]



I know all this already... Luckily, I was able to download a version
of Win XP where the DRM stuff was disabled.


I suspect that you *really* mean WPA and not DRM, right?


WS=> I think you mean WGA, Windows genuine advantage (a misnomer if
there ever was one), to be a form of DRM. Technically you are correct.



(BTW, some Virtual Boxes and even Virtual Machines will not install the
original XP but at the least only XP with Service Pack 2.)


WS=> This is a cracked version of Windows XP Professional (Service Pack 3)

>> I have to observe the VM carefully since I know that is is a cracked

version.


Oh boy, I think that you are playing with fire ol' boy.

You don't seem to know the difference between VB and VM.


Your assumption would be wrong! I do know the risks and I use the VM
for experiments only. Nothing important. I also plan to tell the
person who will use it of the risks associated with it. I do not plan
to use this VM (the cracked version of Win XP) for any networking. In
fact, I have disabled the network adapter of this VM. It would be hard
to use the network to get in or out. Of course, the network functions
of the Linux host are fully functional. Yes this hobbles the VM but I
am doing that because I know of the risks of allowing it to reach my
network.



Do you mean VM as in what you stated in one of your first posts to mean
*Virtual* *Box* (VB), which comes with Ubuntu and for which there is no
need for a "crack", or VM as in IBM's VM or VMWare's VM cracked version
which may be found if one looks?


VB means Virtual Box (it also could mean Visual Basic which is an
abomination). VirtualBox does not come installed with Ubuntu. You have
to download it from their repository as VirtualBox OSE. I actually
downloaded the most recent version by visiting the Virtual Box website.



You sound like the posts from a person my wife came across a while back:
that person quite openly posted in a public forum that she copies DVDs
and sends them out to her friends so that they can discuss the fillums
during their "fillum nights".


On the plus side, a lot of the MS bloat-ware has been removed and it
is ideal for use in a VM. (the footprint is very small) Updates are
out of the question, the MS firewall and virus checker ??? has been
also disabled.


Oh boy, oh boy.....

Sheesh.....You can disable both in a normal installation of Windows XP
any way.....


I checked if they were only disabled, These functions were actually removed.




This makes it really dangerous as a stand alone OS but for a VM
(particularly for home use) it seems OK. Only time will tell.


Hrumph.

Good luck.

(You're really kinda 'stumbling in the dark' about this whole thing
aren't you? :-( )


Actually I'm not. I am aware of the risks.

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>Internet. By the way, although my area of study is very narrow
>(software debugging, testing and verification) I have an advanced
degree
>in that area. Granted, I might be a VirtualBox newbie but I am far
from
>being a newbie to computers.

<Remainder elided.>

I think they're more concerned with your schooling in copyright law.
Posting admission of copyright infringement in a public, archived forum
is certainly a good way to get schooled. ;-)

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