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Old 10-03-2010, 10:44 PM
Thierry de Coulon
 
Default log in problem

On Monday 04 October 2010, Ash Wyllie wrote:
> I can't log onto my laptop from the internal drive.
>
> I can use the computer a USB stick.
>
> I can see that the drive is there, that all the data is on it, and that
> there is no free space (0 bytes) on the drive.

That may be the key of your problem: no place, the system can't create logs.
How is your disk partitioned? "A la Windows", with one big partition and
everything in it?

> When I try to log in, there is a notice
>
> "INSTALL PROBLEM
>
> The comfiguration of dedfaults for Gnome Power Management have not been
> installled properly
>
> Please contact your computer administrator."
>
> Is there some way to get at the hard drive and delete a couple files?

I'm not sure to understand "I can use the computer a USB stick". Anyway, you
should find a way to boot from a live system (USB stick or live CD), then
mount your disk/partition and, as root, you should ne able to delete files.

You can also check the size of the directories, most probably /home/<your
user>. If one directory is _very_ big, then the file to delete is there.

If a program get's stuck in an error loop, it may fill up your disk space with
a huge error log. That's why /home should _always_ be on a separate
partition, so if your home directory get's full, you can still log in as root
to clear space (that's where Ubuntu's policy bites back as you'll have to do
this at the command line...)

Hope that helps

Thierry


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Old 10-03-2010, 11:21 PM
"Ash Wyllie"
 
Default log in problem

I can't log onto my laptop from the internal drive.

I can use the computer a USB stick.

I can see that the drive is there, that all the data is on it, and that there is
no free space (0 bytes) on the drive.

When I try to log in, there is a notice

"INSTALL PROBLEM

The comfiguration of dedfaults for Gnome Power Management have not been
installled properly

Please contact your computer administrator."

Is there some way to get at the hard drive and delete a couple files?



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Old 10-04-2010, 02:14 AM
NoOp
 
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On 10/03/2010 03:44 PM, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
> On Monday 04 October 2010, Ash Wyllie wrote:
>> I can't log onto my laptop from the internal drive.
>>
>> I can use the computer a USB stick.
>>
>> I can see that the drive is there, that all the data is on it, and that
>> there is no free space (0 bytes) on the drive.
>
> That may be the key of your problem: no place, the system can't create logs.
> How is your disk partitioned? "A la Windows", with one big partition and
> everything in it?
>
>> When I try to log in, there is a notice
>>
>> "INSTALL PROBLEM
>>
>> The comfiguration of dedfaults for Gnome Power Management have not been
>> installled properly
>>
>> Please contact your computer administrator."
>>
>> Is there some way to get at the hard drive and delete a couple files?
>
> I'm not sure to understand "I can use the computer a USB stick". Anyway, you
> should find a way to boot from a live system (USB stick or live CD), then
> mount your disk/partition and, as root, you should ne able to delete files.
>
> You can also check the size of the directories, most probably /home/<your
> user>. If one directory is _very_ big, then the file to delete is there.
>
> If a program get's stuck in an error loop, it may fill up your disk space with
> a huge error log. That's why /home should _always_ be on a separate
> partition, so if your home directory get's full, you can still log in as root
> to clear space (that's where Ubuntu's policy bites back as you'll have to do
> this at the command line...)
>
> Hope that helps
>
> Thierry

Other than the 0 bytes, the gnome power manager error msg sounds exactly
like the problem that seanh was having in the "Can't login into Gnome
after updates yersterday (10.04" [1]. I wonder if this is becoming a trend.

http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user/228196
[Can't login into Gnome after updates yersterday (10.04]
<quote>
"The configuration defaults for Gnome Power Manager have not been
installed correctly."
</quote>
Full thread:
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user/228196

Perhaps if we can get seanh and Ash to provide the /var/apt/history.log
(logs) for the updates on those days we can figure out the common culprit.




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Old 10-04-2010, 01:21 PM
"Ash Wyllie"
 
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NoOp opined

I didn't see the original repl for some reasson.

>On 10/03/2010 03:44 PM, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
>> On Monday 04 October 2010, Ash Wyllie wrote:
>>> I can't log onto my laptop from the internal drive.
>>>
>>> I can use the computer a USB stick.
>>>
>>> I can see that the drive is there, that all the data is on it, and that
>>> there is no free space (0 bytes) on the drive.
>>
>> That may be the key of your problem: no place, the system can't create
>> logs. How is your disk partitioned? "A la Windows", with one big partition
>> and everything in it?

That is my suspicion. The disk was partitioned by Dell at the factory, and came
with Ubuntu installed. There is a 3GB swap partition and a 117GB Ubuntu
partition.

How does one get permission to do file deletes while using a USB stick?

>>
>>> When I try to log in, there is a notice
>>>
>>> "INSTALL PROBLEM
>>>
>>> The comfiguration of dedfaults for Gnome Power Management have not been
>>> installled properly
>>>
>>> Please contact your computer administrator."
>>>
>>> Is there some way to get at the hard drive and delete a couple files?
>>
>> I'm not sure to understand "I can use the computer a USB stick". Anyway,
>> you should find a way to boot from a live system (USB stick or live CD),
>> then mount your disk/partition and, as root, you should ne able to delete
>> files.

I can boot from the USB stick. But I don't have permissions to do anything
useful, like deleting files.

I did find how to boot into recovery mode. I then did
"rm BigRedundantDirectory" which didn't help. The directory is gone, but no
space was freed up.

Now that I am in recovery mode, is there a way to force Ubuntu to validate the
disk?

>> You can also check the size of the directories, most probably /home/<your
>> user>. If one directory is _very_ big, then the file to delete is there.
>>
>> If a program get's stuck in an error loop, it may fill up your disk space
>> with a huge error log. That's why /home should _always_ be on a separate
>> partition, so if your home directory get's full, you can still log in as
>> root to clear space (that's where Ubuntu's policy bites back as you'll
>> have to do this at the command line...)

I looked, there are no 8GB (which was the old free space size) files.

>> Hope that helps
>>
>> Thierry

>Other than the 0 bytes, the gnome power manager error msg sounds exactly
>like the problem that seanh was having in the "Can't login into Gnome
>after updates yersterday (10.04" [1]. I wonder if this is becoming a trend.


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Old 10-04-2010, 07:30 PM
"Ash Wyllie"
 
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NoOp opined

>On 10/03/2010 03:44 PM, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
>> On Monday 04 October 2010, Ash Wyllie wrote:
>>> I can't log onto my laptop from the internal drive.
>>>
>>> I can use the computer a USB stick.
>>>
>>> I can see that the drive is there, that all the data is on it, and that
>>> there is no free space (0 bytes) on the drive.
>>
>> That may be the key of your problem: no place, the system can't create
>> logs. How is your disk partitioned? "A la Windows", with one big partition
>> and everything in it?
>>
>>> When I try to log in, there is a notice
>>>
>>> "INSTALL PROBLEM
>>>
>>> The comfiguration of dedfaults for Gnome Power Management have not been
>>> installled properly
>>>
>>> Please contact your computer administrator."
>>>
>>> Is there some way to get at the hard drive and delete a couple files?
>>
>> I'm not sure to understand "I can use the computer a USB stick". Anyway,
>> you should find a way to boot from a live system (USB stick or live CD),
>> then mount your disk/partition and, as root, you should ne able to delete
>> files.
>>
>> You can also check the size of the directories, most probably /home/<your
>> user>. If one directory is _very_ big, then the file to delete is there.
>>
>> If a program get's stuck in an error loop, it may fill up your disk space
>> with a huge error log. That's why /home should _always_ be on a separate
>> partition, so if your home directory get's full, you can still log in as
>> root to clear space (that's where Ubuntu's policy bites back as you'll
>> have to do this at the command line...)
>>
>> Hope that helps
>>
>> Thierry

>Other than the 0 bytes, the gnome power manager error msg sounds exactly
>like the problem that seanh was having in the "Can't login into Gnome
>after updates yersterday (10.04" [1]. I wonder if this is becoming a trend.

>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user/228196
>[Can't login into Gnome after updates yersterday (10.04]
><quote>
>"The configuration defaults for Gnome Power Manager have not been
>installed correctly."
></quote>
>Full thread:
>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user/228196

>Perhaps if we can get seanh and Ash to provide the /var/apt/history.log
>(logs) for the updates on those days we can figure out the common culprit.

A follow up.

I turned on my laptop, and got the preboot disk scan. I had hoped that something
like that would find unallocated disk space and free it up.

It didn't.

I have a big enough external drive to hold all data on the internal drive. Is
there a way to copy the internal drive (or atleast home) to the external drive?






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Old 10-04-2010, 10:34 PM
NoOp
 
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On 10/04/2010 12:30 PM, Ash Wyllie wrote:
> NoOp opined
...
>>Other than the 0 bytes, the gnome power manager error msg sounds exactly
>>like the problem that seanh was having in the "Can't login into Gnome
>>after updates yersterday (10.04" [1]. I wonder if this is becoming a trend.
>
>>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user/228196
>>[Can't login into Gnome after updates yersterday (10.04]
>><quote>
>>"The configuration defaults for Gnome Power Manager have not been
>>installed correctly."
>></quote>
>>Full thread:
>>http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user/228196
>
>>Perhaps if we can get seanh and Ash to provide the /var/apt/history.log
>>(logs) for the updates on those days we can figure out the common culprit.
>
> A follow up.
>
> I turned on my laptop, and got the preboot disk scan. I had hoped that something
> like that would find unallocated disk space and free it up.
>
> It didn't.
>
> I have a big enough external drive to hold all data on the internal drive. Is
> there a way to copy the internal drive (or atleast home) to the external drive?

You can use a liveCD (or in your case a USB) to copy. But before you do
that (copy) boot to recovery mode (you said you could do that in a
previous msg) and let's find out the status of your files. In recovery
mode first select the dpkg option and run that. The continue to boot and
that should place you in a console mode; login using your standard
username and password. Now issue the following commands ($ is the prompt
- don't enter that) and let us know the ouput:

$ df -h
$ sudo du /var | sort -nr | head -10
$ sudo du /home/ | sort -nr | head -10



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Old 10-05-2010, 10:30 AM
"Ash Wyllie"
 
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NoOp opined

>On 10/04/2010 12:30 PM, Ash Wyllie wrote:
>You can use a liveCD (or in your case a USB) to copy. But before you do
>that (copy) boot to recovery mode (you said you could do that in a
>previous msg) and let's find out the status of your files. In recovery
>mode first select the dpkg option and run that. The continue to boot and
>that should place you in a console mode; login using your standard
>username and password. Now issue the following commands ($ is the prompt
>- don't enter that) and let us know the ouput:

>$ df -h

Filesystem size used avail use% mounted on
/dev/sda1 108G 108G 0 100% /
udev 497M 300K 497M 1% /dev
none 497M 0 497M 0% /dev/shm
none 479M 180K 497M 1% /var/run
none 497M 0 497M 0% /var/lock
none 479M 0 479M 0% /lib/init/rev

>$ sudo du /var | sort -nr | head -10

70271856 /var
69989356 /var/backup
19745124 /var/backup/2010-02-01_04.00.04.089058.ashw-laptop.ful
18457968 /var/backup/2010-01-01_04.00.02.470647.ashw-laptop.ful
14512312 /var/backup/2009-12-01_04.00.02.836814.ashw-laptop.ful
12292536 /var/backup/2009-12-01_04.00.02.512045.ashw-laptop.ful
4981412 /var/backup/2009-09-23_23.15.22.379967.ashw-laptop.ful
213212 /var/lib
82960 /var/lib/dpkg
74800 /var/lib/dpkg/info

>$ sudo du /home/ | sort -nr | head -10

20650888 /home
19640904 /home/ashw
9105092 /home/ashw/Pictures
7656780 /home/ashw/Videos
2899584 /home/ashw/Videos/ScottishGames10
1580940 /home/ashw/Pictures/CapetownDiane
1575696 /home/ashw/Videos/vLondon1st
1048572 /home/ashw/Videos/MyAvis
1009980 /home/diane
939916 /home/diane/Pictures



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Old 10-05-2010, 02:58 PM
NoOp
 
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On 10/05/2010 03:30 AM, Ash Wyllie wrote:
...
> 69989356 /var/backup
> 19745124 /var/backup/2010-02-01_04.00.04.089058.ashw-laptop.ful
> 18457968 /var/backup/2010-01-01_04.00.02.470647.ashw-laptop.ful
> 14512312 /var/backup/2009-12-01_04.00.02.836814.ashw-laptop.ful
> 12292536 /var/backup/2009-12-01_04.00.02.512045.ashw-laptop.ful
> 4981412 /var/backup/2009-09-23_23.15.22.379967.ashw-laptop.ful
...

There's your problem. You've apparently been running sbackup or similar
& saving all the backups to your /var/backup folder. Why one would want
to "backup" to their own /var is beyond me... Delete those & you should
have sufficient disk space to start up again.



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Old 10-05-2010, 03:07 PM
NoOp
 
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On 10/05/2010 07:58 AM, NoOp wrote:
> On 10/05/2010 03:30 AM, Ash Wyllie wrote:
> ...
>> 69989356 /var/backup
>> 19745124 /var/backup/2010-02-01_04.00.04.089058.ashw-laptop.ful
>> 18457968 /var/backup/2010-01-01_04.00.02.470647.ashw-laptop.ful
>> 14512312 /var/backup/2009-12-01_04.00.02.836814.ashw-laptop.ful
>> 12292536 /var/backup/2009-12-01_04.00.02.512045.ashw-laptop.ful
>> 4981412 /var/backup/2009-09-23_23.15.22.379967.ashw-laptop.ful
> ...
>
> There's your problem. You've apparently been running sbackup or similar
> & saving all the backups to your /var/backup folder. Why one would want
> to "backup" to their own /var is beyond me... Delete those & you should
> have sufficient disk space to start up again.

Correction: I just noticed that the above wasn't sufficiently clear;
delete the the ashw-laptop.ful files:

19745124 /var/backup/2010-02-01_04.00.04.089058.ashw-laptop.ful
18457968 /var/backup/2010-01-01_04.00.02.470647.ashw-laptop.ful
14512312 /var/backup/2009-12-01_04.00.02.836814.ashw-laptop.ful
12292536 /var/backup/2009-12-01_04.00.02.512045.ashw-laptop.ful
4981412 /var/backup/2009-09-23_23.15.22.379967.ashw-laptop.ful

*Do Not* delete /var backup itself, *only* the ashw-laptop.ful files.


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Old 10-05-2010, 05:52 PM
"Ash Wyllie"
 
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NoOp opined

>On 10/05/2010 07:58 AM, NoOp wrote:
>> On 10/05/2010 03:30 AM, Ash Wyllie wrote:
>> ...
>>> 69989356 /var/backup
>>> 19745124 /var/backup/2010-02-01_04.00.04.089058.ashw-laptop.ful
>>> 18457968 /var/backup/2010-01-01_04.00.02.470647.ashw-laptop.ful
>>> 14512312 /var/backup/2009-12-01_04.00.02.836814.ashw-laptop.ful
>>> 12292536 /var/backup/2009-12-01_04.00.02.512045.ashw-laptop.ful
>>> 4981412 /var/backup/2009-09-23_23.15.22.379967.ashw-laptop.ful
>> ...
>>
>> There's your problem. You've apparently been running sbackup or similar
>> & saving all the backups to your /var/backup folder. Why one would want
>> to "backup" to their own /var is beyond me... Delete those & you should
>> have sufficient disk space to start up again.

>Correction: I just noticed that the above wasn't sufficiently clear;
>delete the the ashw-laptop.ful files:

>19745124 /var/backup/2010-02-01_04.00.04.089058.ashw-laptop.ful
>18457968 /var/backup/2010-01-01_04.00.02.470647.ashw-laptop.ful
>14512312 /var/backup/2009-12-01_04.00.02.836814.ashw-laptop.ful
>12292536 /var/backup/2009-12-01_04.00.02.512045.ashw-laptop.ful
>4981412 /var/backup/2009-09-23_23.15.22.379967.ashw-laptop.ful

>*Do Not* delete /var backup itself, *only* the ashw-laptop.ful files.

That gotit!!

Thank you.


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