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Old 09-25-2010, 05:40 AM
Basil Chupin
 
Default WTF?! NO floppy in Lucid or in Meerkat! - UPDATE

On 25/09/2010 13:05, Basil Chupin wrote:
> On 24/09/10 16:48, Christopher Chan wrote:
>
>>> The first "fix" was to insert "floppy" as a new line in /etc/modules -
>>> which went down like a lead balloon in my case.
>>>
>> 'modprobe floppy'
>>
>> That should load the floppy driver.
>>
>>> Alright, now that I have vented my frustrations accumulated over the
>>> past 2 days, does anyone have a REAL clue to make anything-Ubuntu
>>> recognise a floppy drive and display the contents of the disc in it and
>>> even format the disc? (Having stated this, the suggestion in the
>>> bug-discussion is to keep running an earlier version of Ubuntu - I think
>>> it is Karmic but don't quote me.)
>>>
>>>
>> After that, insert floppy into drive. Then perhaps do:
>>
>> 'sudo mkdir /mnt/floppy'
>> 'sudo mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy'
>> 'ls /mnt/floppy'
>>
>> To format the floppy with FAT, just do:
>>
>> mkfs.msdos /dev/fdo
>>
> Thanks, Christopher.
>
> This response being written on Maverick Meerkat (Beta #1) which was
> upgraded to latest "stuff" only 1/2 hour ago.
>
> What you suggest above works on Lucid 10.04.1 - but I have to admit that
> I don't know if it is the above which is doing it or the fact that I
> downgraded to udisks1.0.1build1 late last night. In other words, the
> 'test bed' has been 'contaminated' and the playing field has been changed.
>

Alright, the fact that I *DID* downgrade to udisks-1.0.1build1 has
*EVERYTHING* to do with using the above command to mount a floppy.

As Rashkae correctly pointed out in another post, one other suggestion
to get the floppy going was to remove the entry for it in fstab.

Removing the entry in fstab if you have the default udisks installed by
Ubuntu (udisks-1.0.1-ubuntu1) will do *ZILCH*. The mount command
mentioned above by Christopher will not work.

I have Lucid 10.04.1 installed on a flash drive and I booted it up on my
"main" the computer (which now contains the new mobo and which I am
trying to get to work proppa (but that's in another thread and which I
haven't 'updated' for some days now)).

This copy of Lucid on the flash has the original, default,
udisks*-ubuntu1 and not the build1 which NoOp suggested.

No matter what you try and do - inserting "floppy" in /etc/modules or
rem-ing out the entry for the floppy in fstab - nothing will get the
floppy mounted or its contents accessed until you take the retro step
and install the earlier version of udisks (also see NoOp's response to
me re this and how to install this on Maverick).

BC

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Old 09-25-2010, 12:12 PM
Christopher Chan
 
Default WTF?! NO floppy in Lucid or in Meerkat! - UPDATE

> No matter what you try and do - inserting "floppy" in /etc/modules or
> rem-ing out the entry for the floppy in fstab - nothing will get the
> floppy mounted or its contents accessed until you take the retro step
> and install the earlier version of udisks (also see NoOp's response to
> me re this and how to install this on Maverick).
>

I see the Ubuntu devs are dead set on NOT supporting the floppy.
Introducing code to sabotage floppy support is so hilarious. The
'community' seems to be getting out of touch.

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Old 09-26-2010, 06:11 AM
Basil Chupin
 
Default WTF?! NO floppy in Lucid or in Meerkat! - UPDATE

On 25/09/2010 22:12, Christopher Chan wrote:
>
>> No matter what you try and do - inserting "floppy" in /etc/modules or
>> rem-ing out the entry for the floppy in fstab - nothing will get the
>> floppy mounted or its contents accessed until you take the retro step
>> and install the earlier version of udisks (also see NoOp's response to
>> me re this and how to install this on Maverick).
>>
>>
> I see the Ubuntu devs are dead set on NOT supporting the floppy.
> Introducing code to sabotage floppy support is so hilarious. The
> 'community' seems to be getting out of touch.
>

I see at least 4 things in this.

The first is that there is no one who is controlling and directing the
'community'. Shuttleworth has passed the control of Canonical to a some
other person (sorry, cannot recall her name) and maybe now the direction
has been lost - dunno.

The second is that the devs are in fact in La La Land - just like the
those who decided to come up with KDE4 - and cannot see the damage which
was or being done to the OS.

The third is that I accept the fact that technology moves ahead and that
one cannot forever cater for everything. But to put out the crap that
one cannot test floppy support simply because no dev has floppy drives
on their machines is just too stupid. If Shuttleworth can fly into space
then he surely can spend several dollars to provide the devs with
pre-loved desktops with floppy drives on which to practice on?

The fourth is that NoOp suggested a solution. I installed the old udisks
file on both Lucid AND Maverick, and doing so works - the floppy is
recognised and its contents readable. So why not simply install as the
default this old version of udisks 1.0.1-build1?

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Old 09-27-2010, 04:44 AM
Chadley Wilson
 
Default WTF?! NO floppy in Lucid or in Meerkat! - UPDATE

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ubuntu-users-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-users-
> bounces@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Basil Chupin
> Sent: 26 September 2010 08:11 AM
> To: ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: WTF?! NO floppy in Lucid or in Meerkat! - UPDATE
>
> On 25/09/2010 22:12, Christopher Chan wrote:
> >
> >> No matter what you try and do - inserting "floppy" in /etc/modules or
> >> rem-ing out the entry for the floppy in fstab - nothing will get the
> >> floppy mounted or its contents accessed until you take the retro step
> >> and install the earlier version of udisks (also see NoOp's response
> >> to me re this and how to install this on Maverick).
> >>
> >>
> > I see the Ubuntu devs are dead set on NOT supporting the floppy.
> > Introducing code to sabotage floppy support is so hilarious. The
> > 'community' seems to be getting out of touch.
> >
>
> I see at least 4 things in this.
>
> The first is that there is no one who is controlling and directing the
> 'community'. Shuttleworth has passed the control of Canonical to a some
> other person (sorry, cannot recall her name) and maybe now the direction
> has been lost - dunno.
>
> The second is that the devs are in fact in La La Land - just like the those who
> decided to come up with KDE4 - and cannot see the damage which was or
> being done to the OS.
>
> The third is that I accept the fact that technology moves ahead and that one
> cannot forever cater for everything. But to put out the crap that one cannot
> test floppy support simply because no dev has floppy drives on their machines
> is just too stupid. If Shuttleworth can fly into space then he surely can spend
> several dollars to provide the devs with pre-loved desktops with floppy drives
> on which to practice on?
>
> The fourth is that NoOp suggested a solution. I installed the old udisks file on
> both Lucid AND Maverick, and doing so works - the floppy is recognised and
> its contents readable. So why not simply install as the default this old version
> of udisks 1.0.1-build1?
>
> BC
>
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[>] To the OP.
I have read briefly though the mail threads, and regarding you floppy drive, since a floppy drive is 5 1/4 inch, and you want to flash your bios, I assume you mean a 1.44 stiffy drive.
I find it very strange that a person with your skills cannot take a stiffy disk image and make your memory stick bootable with it to flash your bios.
We have been doing this for years. If you don't have a memory stick, then all I can suggest is that you go and get one. Afterwards, I highly recommend you donate you stiffy drive to your garbage bin.

Why oh why would you want such an unreliable piece of junk in your machine? flashing the bios is not rocket science and if you run Linux you can even do it with PXE boot. No media even better.


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Old 09-27-2010, 05:56 AM
Basil Chupin
 
Default WTF?! NO floppy in Lucid or in Meerkat! - UPDATE

On 27/09/2010 14:44, Chadley Wilson wrote:


[pruned]

> [>] To the OP.
> I have read briefly though the mail threads, and regarding you floppy drive, since a floppy drive is 5 1/4 inch, and you want to flash your bios, I assume you mean a 1.44 stiffy drive.
> I find it very strange that a person with your skills cannot take a stiffy disk image and make your memory stick bootable with it to flash your bios.
> We have been doing this for years. If you don't have a memory stick, then all I can suggest is that you go and get one. Afterwards, I highly recommend you donate you stiffy drive to your garbage bin.
>
> Why oh why would you want such an unreliable piece of junk in your machine? flashing the bios is not rocket science and if you run Linux you can even do it with PXE boot. No media even better.
>

The BIOS wants to be flashed with the *bin file sitting on a Windows 'C'
drive of an HD and with the computer booted into DOS - but *NOT* the DOS
mode in Windows. Since the motherboard will not accept an HD for some
damn reason this choice is out. (Besides I don't have Windows.)

Or the BIOS wants to be flashed with the *bin file on a floppy sitting
in drive A where the built-in flasher in the BIOS expects to find the
*bin file.

Does this answer your very helpful contribution to this thread?

Oh, and don't forget to write a letter to the Canonical and the devs to
stop using "floppy" to describe /dev/fd0. Post a copy of the text of
your letter re this in this forum, OK?

BC

PS

Your observation, "why would you want such an unreliable piece of junk
in your machine" reminded me of the following...

A woman goes into a green grocer store which specialises in totally
organic vegetables. She wants to buy an organic pumpkin. Sees one which
she likes and asks the store keeper how much it costs. He replies,
"$40". She tells him, "Take that pumpkin and shove it up your arse!". He
responds, "Sorry can't do that. I already have a $20 cabbage in there."

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