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Old 12-14-2009, 02:45 PM
Peter Humphrey
 
Default Thread hijacking

As a newcomeer to this list I'm intrigued to know whether the hijacking of
threads is commonplace and accepted here. On other lists I know, any such
behaviour is stamped on instantly, yet it keeps happening here with impunity.

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On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail
<francisco.diaztrepat@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all, I usually get a sleep while watching some movie or something,
> leaving my computer on.

Probably System --> Preferences --> Power Management can help you
configure as you need

> I sometimes execute a sudo shutdown etc....
> Is there a more friendly way? like a button? so that my wife may do it? (not
> trying to be a chauvinistic pig) but I want her to do it some times...
> :-)
> f(t)
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Old 12-14-2009, 03:16 PM
Colin Law
 
Default Thread hijacking

2009/12/14 Peter Humphrey <peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org>:
> As a newcomeer to this list I'm intrigued to know whether the hijacking of
> threads is commonplace and accepted here. On other lists I know, any such
> behaviour is stamped on instantly, yet it keeps happening here with impunity.
>

It is certainly disapproved of but as the list is unmoderated there is
no-one to stamp on it.

On an unrelated matter I am having some problems with my video
playback, all I get is a black window, I wonder if anyone can help?

Colin

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Old 12-14-2009, 03:18 PM
"Amedee Van Gasse (ub)"
 
Default Thread hijacking

On Mon, December 14, 2009 16:45, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> As a newcomeer to this list I'm intrigued to know whether the hijacking of
> threads is commonplace and accepted here. On other lists I know, any such
> behaviour is stamped on instantly, yet it keeps happening here with
> impunity.

Thread hijacking is frowned upon, and so is publicly commenting on thread
hijacking.
Iow, hijacking is an undesirable activity, but you won't see any public
humiliations of the hijacker, like you have probably have seen on other
lists.

The same can be said about the following activities:
* "please unsubscribe me"
* no subject
* ALL CAPS
* top-posting
* full quotes when the original mail is looooong
* signatures longer than 3 lines (often with ASCII art)
* thread breaking
* direct replies (not to list)
* I'm probably forgetting some...

They are all violations against the letter or the spirit of the mailing
list etiquette, but the users that do those things are usually new users
that aren't even aware that there is such a thing as an etiquette.
So we don't hit them with the proverbial clue-by-four, we just gently
nudge them in the right direction. And if they don't follow the gentle
clues after a while, their unread mails will just hit the bit bucket...
(that's my personal policy)

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Old 12-15-2009, 03:58 AM
thomas
 
Default Thread hijacking

Peter Humphrey wrote:
> As a newcomeer to this list I'm intrigued to know whether the hijacking of
> threads is commonplace and accepted here. On other lists I know, any such
> behaviour is stamped on instantly, yet it keeps happening here with impunity.
>
>
I was accused of hijacking threads. Then someone told me what hijacking
treads was and I
stopped. Maybe people are clueless to hijacking. I am using Thunderbird
and I would start new
threads by deleting the content of a posting and then make a new one.

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Old 12-15-2009, 12:32 PM
Wade Smart
 
Default Thread hijacking

thomas wrote:
> Peter Humphrey wrote:
>> As a newcomeer to this list I'm intrigued to know whether the hijacking of
>> threads is commonplace and accepted here. On other lists I know, any such
>> behaviour is stamped on instantly, yet it keeps happening here with impunity.
>>
>>
> I was accused of hijacking threads. Then someone told me what hijacking
> treads was and I
> stopped. Maybe people are clueless to hijacking. I am using Thunderbird
> and I would start new
> threads by deleting the content of a posting and then make a new one.
>
> Thomas
>

Thread hijacking can be either: posting a different problem under a old
topic OR deleting the contents of a email and posting a new problem. To
start a new thread - start a totally new email.

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Old 12-15-2009, 12:38 PM
Jozsef
 
Default Thread hijacking

Wade Smart wrote:
> thomas wrote:
>> Peter Humphrey wrote:
>>> As a newcomeer to this list I'm intrigued to know whether the hijacking of
>>> threads is commonplace and accepted here. On other lists I know, any such
>>> behaviour is stamped on instantly, yet it keeps happening here with impunity.
>>>
>>>
>> I was accused of hijacking threads. Then someone told me what hijacking
>> treads was and I
>> stopped. Maybe people are clueless to hijacking. I am using Thunderbird
>> and I would start new
>> threads by deleting the content of a posting and then make a new one.
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>
> Thread hijacking can be either: posting a different problem under a old
> topic OR deleting the contents of a email and posting a new problem. To
> start a new thread - start a totally new email.
>
> Wade
>

I was also wondering about the mailing list, is it something like: you
have a problem and you post your message no matter if someone else had
the same problem already before on the mailing list, but you didn't
notice that or maybe it was long time ago?
Is that OK or we need to search the archives before posting?
By the way, I like IRC

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Old 12-15-2009, 12:46 PM
Wade Smart
 
Default Thread hijacking

Jozsef wrote:
> Wade Smart wrote:
>> thomas wrote:
>>> Peter Humphrey wrote:
>>>> As a newcomeer to this list I'm intrigued to know whether the hijacking of
>>>> threads is commonplace and accepted here. On other lists I know, any such
>>>> behaviour is stamped on instantly, yet it keeps happening here with impunity.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I was accused of hijacking threads. Then someone told me what hijacking
>>> treads was and I
>>> stopped. Maybe people are clueless to hijacking. I am using Thunderbird
>>> and I would start new
>>> threads by deleting the content of a posting and then make a new one.
>>>
>>> Thomas
>>>
>> Thread hijacking can be either: posting a different problem under a old
>> topic OR deleting the contents of a email and posting a new problem. To
>> start a new thread - start a totally new email.
>>
>> Wade
>>
>
> I was also wondering about the mailing list, is it something like: you
> have a problem and you post your message no matter if someone else had
> the same problem already before on the mailing list, but you didn't
> notice that or maybe it was long time ago?
> Is that OK or we need to search the archives before posting?
> By the way, I like IRC
>
> Best,
> Jozsef
>

Its always better to search for solutions before posting. However, I
have had problems and did exactly know what I was searching for to begin
with. Say you have no internet on your new setup. Is it the hardware? A
misconfigured firewall? Your router seperate from the computer? Some
people are so new to computers, they dont know what they dont know. If
you find a post last year that works - great! If not, post. Im sure some
will find fault with that but, if you dont ask questions that make
sense to you, you wont get answers to help solve the problem. Someone
elses question may not sound like its the same problem to you so, ask it
in your own words.

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Old 12-15-2009, 12:57 PM
Colin Law
 
Default Thread hijacking

2009/12/15 Wade Smart <wadesmart@gmail.com>:
> Jozsef wrote:
>> Wade Smart wrote:
>>> thomas wrote:
>>>> Peter Humphrey wrote:
>>>>> As a newcomeer to this list I'm intrigued to know whether the hijacking of
>>>>> threads is commonplace and accepted here. On other lists I know, any such
>>>>> behaviour is stamped on instantly, yet it keeps happening here with impunity.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I was accused of hijacking threads. Then someone told me what hijacking
>>>> treads was and I
>>>> stopped. Maybe people are clueless to hijacking. I am using Thunderbird
>>>> and I would start new
>>>> threads by deleting the content of a posting and then make a new one.
>>>>
>>>> Thomas
>>>>
>>> Thread hijacking can be either: posting a different problem under a old
>>> topic OR deleting the contents of a email and posting a new problem. To
>>> start a new thread - start a totally new email.
>>>
>>> Wade
>>>
>>
>> I was also wondering about the mailing list, is it something like: you
>> have a problem and you post your message no matter if someone else had
>> the same problem already before on the mailing list, but you didn't
>> notice that or maybe it was long time ago?
>> Is that OK or we need to search the archives before posting?
>> By the way, I like IRC
>>
>> Best,
>> Jozsef
>>
>
> Its always better to search for solutions before posting. However, I
> have had problems and did exactly know what I was searching for to begin
> with. Say you have no internet on your new setup. Is it the hardware? A
> misconfigured firewall? Your router seperate from the computer? Some
> people are so new to computers, they dont know what they dont know. If
> you find a post last year that works - great! If not, post. Im sure some
> *will find fault with that but, if you dont ask questions that make
> sense to you, you wont get answers to help solve the problem. Someone
> elses question may not sound like its the same problem to you so, ask it
> in your own words.

It looks like this thread has been hijacked by the stealth method.

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Old 12-15-2009, 12:58 PM
thomas
 
Default Thread hijacking

Wade Smart wrote:
> thomas wrote:
>
>> Peter Humphrey wrote:
>>
>>> As a newcomeer to this list I'm intrigued to know whether the hijacking of
>>> threads is commonplace and accepted here. On other lists I know, any such
>>> behaviour is stamped on instantly, yet it keeps happening here with impunity.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I was accused of hijacking threads. Then someone told me what hijacking
>> treads was and I
>> stopped. Maybe people are clueless to hijacking. I am using Thunderbird
>> and I would start new
>> threads by deleting the content of a posting and then make a new one.
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>>
>
> Thread hijacking can be either: posting a different problem under a old
> topic OR deleting the contents of a email and posting a new problem. To
> start a new thread - start a totally new email.
>
> Wade
>
>
When I write e/m notes I use an existing e/m note. The receiver doesn't
know if I started a new
one or used an existing on. How is this done for the group (and I know
it is but don't
understand how)?

Thomas

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Old 12-15-2009, 01:04 PM
Colin Law
 
Default Thread hijacking

2009/12/15 thomas <valhalla2100@comcast.net>:
>...
> When I write e/m notes I use an existing e/m note. The receiver doesn't
> know if I started a new
> one or used an existing on. How is this done for the group (and I know
> it is but don't
> understand how)?

When you reply to an email the email headers include an id that links
it back to the thread, even if the subject and content are cleared.
The more sophisticated email apps use the id for threading.

Colin

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