H.S. wrote:
> Koh Choon Lin wrote:
>
>> Which major distribution doesn't have this sudo system on by default?
>> I remembered Fedora being of them or has that been changed?
>
>
> IIRC, Debian.
>

Fedora 10 does have sudo setup in a similar fashion for users as Ubuntu
does, but they haven't completely locked away root like Ubuntu. It's
more of a 'hybrid' setup I guess.



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H.S. wrote:

> Koh Choon Lin wrote:
>
>>
>> Which major distribution doesn't have this sudo system on by default?
>> I remembered Fedora being of them or has that been changed?
>
>
> IIRC, Debian.

Not unless they backed out of it since Ubuntu came along. I was using sudo
back then. He didn't ask "which major distribution doesn't enable root".



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>>> Which major distribution doesn't have this sudo system on by default?
>>> I remembered Fedora being of them or has that been changed?
>>
>> IIRC, Debian.
>
> Not unless they backed out of it since Ubuntu came along. I was using sudo
> back then. He didn't ask "which major distribution doesn't enable root".

Interestingly, one has to reset the root password to login as root.
Thus, does Ubuntu maintains the same root password for all installed
systems? I had always been assuming the root password is different for
each Ubuntu system and no one knows them.



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Derek Broughton wrote:
> H.S. wrote:
>
>> Koh Choon Lin wrote:
>>
>>> Which major distribution doesn't have this sudo system on by default?
>>> I remembered Fedora being of them or has that been changed?
>>
>> IIRC, Debian.
>
> Not unless they backed out of it since Ubuntu came along. I was using sudo
> back then. He didn't ask "which major distribution doesn't enable root".

I read that question meaning as which major distribution has the first
user automatically added to sudo and the relevant permissions and groups
set up. So the context here is the equivalence of sudo setup between
various distros.

Yes, Debain *comes* with sudo, but it does not *set it up as default*.
There is a huge difference. Once has to edit sudo file as root to add a
user and permitting him to use sudo.

Right out of the box, after the initial installation, when you are
logged in as a normal user (the first user), I bet you cannot just do
this in Debian:
$> sudo <do something only root is allowed to do>




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Koh Choon Lin wrote:
>>>> Which major distribution doesn't have this sudo system on by default?
>>>> I remembered Fedora being of them or has that been changed?
>>> IIRC, Debian.
>> Not unless they backed out of it since Ubuntu came along. I was using sudo
>> back then. He didn't ask "which major distribution doesn't enable root".
>
> Interestingly, one has to reset the root password to login as root.
> Thus, does Ubuntu maintains the same root password for all installed
> systems? I had always been assuming the root password is different for
> each Ubuntu system and no one knows them.
>
>
>
> Koh Choon Lin
>


There is *no* root password in a default Ubuntu install. Root account
is disabled and cannot log in with any password whatsoever.

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H.S. wrote:

> Yes, Debain *comes* with sudo, but it does not *set it up as default*.

Yes it does (or, as I said, did when Ubuntu was first released and I switched
from Debian). The first user created had full sudo privilege.

> There is a huge difference. Once has to edit sudo file as root to add a
> user and permitting him to use sudo.

Nope, didn't do that.




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"Koh Choon Lin" <sgfreedom@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> Which major distribution doesn't have this sudo system on by default?
>>>> I remembered Fedora being of them or has that been changed?
>>>
>>> IIRC, Debian.
>>
>> Not unless they backed out of it since Ubuntu came along. I was using sudo
>> back then. He didn't ask "which major distribution doesn't enable root".
>
> Interestingly, one has to reset the root password to login as root.
> Thus, does Ubuntu maintains the same root password for all installed
> systems?

At login a hash of your password is compared with the password hash
stored in /etc/shadow (or whatever password database you are using).
Root's password hash in /etc/shadow is set to a value that isn't a
valid hash (the hash function is guaranteed to never return this
value) so very password you may try will fail.



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Derek Broughton wrote:
> H.S. wrote:
>
>> Yes, Debain *comes* with sudo, but it does not *set it up as default*.
>
> Yes it does (or, as I said, did when Ubuntu was first released and I switched
> from Debian). The first user created had full sudo privilege.
>
>> There is a huge difference. Once has to edit sudo file as root to add a
>> user and permitting him to use sudo.
>
> Nope, didn't do that.
>

hmm .. interesting if that was your experience. When I last installed
Debian Testing (a couple of years ago), it did not happen to me. Perhaps
it has changed since then.

Regards.


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On 12/30/2008 12:38 AM, jdd wrote:
> NoOp a écrit :
>
>> Best part is she's a sailor:
>> http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~evi/sailing.html
>>
>> If I had the bucks I'd sign on for two weeks as a "visitor"...
>
> so would I :-). I also had a boat and find a crew is as difficult as
> find sudoers :-))
>
> sudo /bin/boat ?
>
> jdd
>

:-) I found out long ago that the best way to have a boat is to have a
friend with a boat that needs a crew :-)

I think it's:

sudo /opt/boat



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NoOp wrote:
> :-) I found out long ago that the best way to have a boat is to have a
> friend with a boat that needs a crew :-)


I like that! But that's why my dingy is 16ft, it's trailerable and I
can sail it by myself.
Art


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