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Old 11-23-2008, 07:08 PM
Leonard Chatagnier
 
Default windows completely disappear when "minimize" button clicked

--- On Sun, 11/23/08, Nathan Bahn <nathan.bahn@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Nathan Bahn <nathan.bahn@gmail.com>
> Subject: windows completely disappear when "minimize" button clicked
> To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" <ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 12:42 PM
> I am working on a machine that has Hardy Heron installed.
> The problem
> arises when the user clicks on the* "minimize"*
> button; the window doesn't
> just minimize, if fails to register on the task bar on the
> bottom. Any
> thoughts on this problem would be greatly appreciated.
>
Are you running Compiz by any chance? Try purging it if installed. IO had similar issues trying to run Compiz on Hardy. Removing it solved all my problems.

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Old 11-23-2008, 08:17 PM
"Nathan Bahn"
 
Default windows completely disappear when "minimize" button clicked

On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Leonard Chatagnier <lenc5570@sbcglobal.net> wrote:



--- On Sun, 11/23/08, Nathan Bahn <nathan.bahn@gmail.com> wrote:



> From: Nathan Bahn <nathan.bahn@gmail.com>

> Subject: windows completely disappear when "minimize" button clicked

> To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" <ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>

> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 12:42 PM

> I am working on a machine that has Hardy Heron installed.

> The problem

> arises when the user clicks on the* "minimize"*

> button; the window doesn't

> just minimize, if fails to register on the task bar on the

> bottom. *Any

> thoughts on this problem would be greatly appreciated.

>

Are you running Compiz by any chance? Try purging it if installed. IO had similar issues trying to run Compiz on Hardy. Removing it solved all my problems.



Leonard Chatagnier

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I have read references to Compiz; but I'm afraid that I don't know what it is.

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Old 11-23-2008, 08:49 PM
"Paul Johnson"
 
Default windows completely disappear when "minimize" button clicked

On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Nathan Bahn <nathan.bahn@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am working on a machine that has Hardy Heron installed. The problem
> arises when the user clicks on the "minimize" button; the window doesn't
> just minimize, if fails to register on the task bar on the bottom. Any
> thoughts on this problem would be greatly appreciated.
>
> --
The programs are not gone, they are minimized. That is what is
supposed to happen--they don't show. You can be sure they are not
dead if you open a terminal and run "ps aux" to list all programs and
see that they are still running.

If your user can't find the running program, try these things.

1. Use whatever key combination is set to cycle through running
programs. On many systems, it is Alt-Tab.

2. in the panel, add an applet that monitors and lists programs.
There's nothing automatic in a panel that lists programs, but you can
right click, add applet, and there are 2 window list applets. One is
called "Window List" and the other "Window Selector".

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Old 11-23-2008, 09:06 PM
Leonard Chatagnier
 
Default windows completely disappear when "minimize" button clicked

--- On Sun, 11/23/08, Nathan Bahn <nathan.bahn@gmail.com> wrote:

> <nathan.bahn@gmail.com> wrote:
snip>
> > >
> > Are you running Compiz by any chance? Try purging it
> if installed. I had
> > similar issues trying to run Compiz on Hardy. Removing
> it solved all my
> > problems.
> >
> > Leonard Chatagnier
> > lenc5570@sbcglobal.net
> >
> >
> >
> I have read references to Compiz; but I'm afraid that I
> don't know what it
> is.
>
aptitude show compiz
will tell you about the package and whether it is installed or not; aptitude search compiz will tell you if installed or not and give you a one line description of the package but not as detailed as the show option. HTH.
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Old 11-24-2008, 04:50 PM
"Nathan Bahn"
 
Default windows completely disappear when "minimize" button clicked

On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Leonard Chatagnier <lenc5570@sbcglobal.net> wrote:



--- On Sun, 11/23/08, Nathan Bahn <nathan.bahn@gmail.com> wrote:



> <nathan.bahn@gmail.com> wrote:

snip>

> > >

> > Are you running Compiz by any chance? Try purging it

> if installed. I had

> > similar issues trying to run Compiz on Hardy. Removing

> it solved all my

> > problems.

> >

> > Leonard Chatagnier

> > lenc5570@sbcglobal.net

> >

> >

> >

> I have read references to Compiz; but I'm afraid that I

> don't know what it

> is.

>

aptitude show compiz

will tell you about the package and whether it is installed or not; aptitude search compiz will tell you if installed or not and give you a one line description of the package but not as detailed as the show option. *HTH.


Leonard Chatagnier

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I found the compiz file, but I'm afraid that I'm so incompetent that I don't know the command for deleting it.* May I trouble someone for the command?

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Old 11-24-2008, 05:22 PM
Leonard Chatagnier
 
Default windows completely disappear when "minimize" button clicked

--- On Mon, 11/24/08, Nathan Bahn <nathan.bahn@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Nathan Bahn <nathan.bahn@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: windows completely disappear when "minimize" button clicked
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I found the *compiz* file, but I'm afraid that
> I'm so incompetent that I
> don't know the command for deleting it. May I trouble
> someone for the
> command?
>
You certainly need to brush up and learn bash commands. And you will have to do that eventually to enjoy linux. But since you are very new it seems and I've gone through this myself, here's what you can do:
You can use synaptic pkg manager, search for compiz, click the compiz entry and select the "remove completely" pop-up. Or do:

sudo aptitude purge compiz

You should google for "bash commands" or something similiar and start learning the cli commands or you wont enjoy linux. Good luck and enjoy.
Leonard Chatagnier
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Old 11-24-2008, 06:34 PM
"Paul Johnson"
 
Default windows completely disappear when "minimize" button clicked

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Nathan Bahn <nathan.bahn@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Leonard Chatagnier <lenc5570@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Nathan Bahn <nathan.bahn@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > <nathan.bahn@gmail.com> wrote:
>> snip>
>> > > >
>> > > Are you running Compiz by any chance? Try purging it
>> > if installed. I had
>> > > similar issues trying to run Compiz on Hardy. Removing
>> > it solved all my
>> > > problems.
>> > >
>> > > Leonard Chatagnier
>> > > lenc5570@sbcglobal.net
>> > >
>> > >
>
Nathan:

They are wasting your time telling you to remove the compiz package.
Compiz is the window manager that gives desktop effects, but I doubt
you are running it if you have never heard of it. Further, It has
NOTHING to do with the problem you see. The windows are there, you
just need to find them. Use Alt-TAB. If you start the window list
applet in the gnome panel, you can find the minimized ones.
PJ


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Old 11-24-2008, 07:11 PM
Leonard Chatagnier
 
Default windows completely disappear when "minimize" button clicked

--- On Mon, 11/24/08, Paul Johnson <pauljohn32@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Paul Johnson <pauljohn32@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: windows completely disappear when "minimize" button clicked
> To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" <ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
> Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 1:34 PM
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Nathan Bahn
> <nathan.bahn@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Leonard Chatagnier
> <lenc5570@sbcglobal.net>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Nathan Bahn
> <nathan.bahn@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > <nathan.bahn@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> snip>
> >> > > >
> >> > > Are you running Compiz by any chance?
> Try purging it
> >> > if installed. I had
> >> > > similar issues trying to run Compiz on
> Hardy. Removing
> >> > it solved all my
> >> > > problems.
> >> > >
> >> > > Leonard Chatagnier
> >> > > lenc5570@sbcglobal.net
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >
> Nathan:
>
> They are wasting your time telling you to remove the compiz
> package.
> Compiz is the window manager that gives desktop effects,
> but I doubt
> you are running it if you have never heard of it. Further,
> It has
> NOTHING to do with the problem you see. The windows are
> there, you
> just need to find them. Use Alt-TAB. If you start the
> window list
> applet in the gnome panel, you can find the minimized ones.
> PJ
>
Yes, Paul, what you say is true in general. But, wasn't the OP asking why his windows disappeared and why there were no entries in the panel. Believe it or not compiz caused me similar problems. Windows shouldn't disappear from the panel unless you closed it out or some other program is fiddling with it. I don't use Intrepid yet but would like to also know why the window disappeared and did not show on the panel. Can you explain?
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Old 11-25-2008, 05:21 PM
"Paul Johnson"
 
Default windows completely disappear when "minimize" button clicked

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Leonard Chatagnier
<lenc5570@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>

>>
>> They are wasting your time telling you to remove the compiz
>> package.
>> Compiz is the window manager that gives desktop effects,
>> but I doubt
>> you are running it if you have never heard of it. Further,
>> It has
>> NOTHING to do with the problem you see. The windows are
>> there, you
>> just need to find them. Use Alt-TAB. If you start the
>> window list
>> applet in the gnome panel, you can find the minimized ones.
>> PJ
>>
> Yes, Paul, what you say is true in general. But, wasn't the OP asking why his windows disappeared and why there were no entries in the panel. Believe it or not compiz caused me similar problems. Windows shouldn't disappear from the panel unless you closed it out or some other program is fiddling with it. I don't use Intrepid yet but would like to also know why the window disappeared and did not show on the panel. Can you explain?
> Leonard Chatagnier
> lenc5570@sbcglobal.net
>

I think I said in the first post, you need to check if the program had
actually died or been sent a kill signal or if it is just floating in
window manager land. For that, there are many techniques, but i run

ps aux

to list everything that's running and I grep for specifics, like

ps aux | grep firefox

If you don't want to bother with that, you might just hit Alt-TAB a
bunch of times to cycle through all open windows.

Now, if a program is running and you see it in ps output, it is not
"disappeared", it is just lost to the gnome panel. Sometimes my
students say "the program disappeared" and I've never found one that
was actually gone. As I also said in the first post to answer this
OP, the panel's program listing applet may die and so it will appear
to you as though programs are 'gone', but they are not. Or the
program listing applet may only show programs on the current
workspace, but the window was somehow inadvertently moved to a
different workspace.

<old_timer_rant>
Sometimes I think Gnome is a bad thing for Linux users. Unless people
go through the old-fashioned experience of starting X11 without a
pimpy/automagical desktop, they seem to not understand some pretty
important, basic things. There is a program called the "window
manager" that controls window placement and, if it supports
minimization or "window shading", then it will have procedures to
retrieve windows from that state. The Gnome experience has made
people so dependent on the all-powerful panel as a replacement for
basic window management skills that I shutter to go into the computer
lab and see the weird things students do. If you administer your own
system, you might see about installing a true window manager like
Window Maker and studying up on that. You can run "gnome-panel"
inside there if you want to. If you go really old school, uninstall
the graphical log in altogether and run startx to bring up the X
server. You don't learn anything until you break something.

But, then again, you gotta take my advice with caution. I also think
that cars that actually start on the first time are bad because nobody
can change a starter motor or spark plugs anymore.
</old_timer_rant>

pj

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Old 11-25-2008, 05:46 PM
Leonard Chatagnier
 
Default windows completely disappear when "minimize" button clicked

--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Paul Johnson <pauljohn32@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Paul Johnson <pauljohn32@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: windows completely disappear when "minimize" button clicked
> To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" <ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 12:21 PM
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Leonard Chatagnier
> <lenc5570@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
>
> >>
> >> They are wasting your time telling you to remove
> the compiz
> >> package.
> >> Compiz is the window manager that gives desktop
> effects,
> >> but I doubt
> >> you are running it if you have never heard of it.
> Further,
> >> It has
> >> NOTHING to do with the problem you see. The
> windows are
> >> there, you
> >> just need to find them. Use Alt-TAB. If you
> start the
> >> window list
> >> applet in the gnome panel, you can find the
> minimized ones.
> >> PJ
> >>
> > Yes, Paul, what you say is true in general. But,
> wasn't the OP asking why his windows disappeared and why
> there were no entries in the panel. Believe it or not compiz
> caused me similar problems. Windows shouldn't disappear
> from the panel unless you closed it out or some other
> program is fiddling with it. I don't use Intrepid yet
> but would like to also know why the window disappeared and
> did not show on the panel. Can you explain?
> > Leonard Chatagnier
> > lenc5570@sbcglobal.net
> >
>
> I think I said in the first post, you need to check if the
> program had
> actually died or been sent a kill signal or if it is just
> floating in
> window manager land. For that, there are many techniques,
> but i run
>
> ps aux
>
> to list everything that's running and I grep for
> specifics, like
>
> ps aux | grep firefox
>
> If you don't want to bother with that, you might just
> hit Alt-TAB a
> bunch of times to cycle through all open windows.
>
> Now, if a program is running and you see it in ps output,
> it is not
> "disappeared", it is just lost to the gnome
> panel. Sometimes my
> students say "the program disappeared" and
> I've never found one that
> was actually gone. As I also said in the first post to
> answer this
> OP, the panel's program listing applet may die and so
> it will appear
> to you as though programs are 'gone', but they are
> not. Or the
> program listing applet may only show programs on the
> current
> workspace, but the window was somehow inadvertently moved
> to a
> different workspace.
>
> <old_timer_rant>
> Sometimes I think Gnome is a bad thing for Linux users.
> Unless people
> go through the old-fashioned experience of starting X11
> without a
> pimpy/automagical desktop, they seem to not understand some
> pretty
> important, basic things. There is a program called the
> "window
> manager" that controls window placement and, if it
> supports
> minimization or "window shading", then it will
> have procedures to
> retrieve windows from that state. The Gnome experience has
> made
> people so dependent on the all-powerful panel as a
> replacement for
> basic window management skills that I shutter to go into
> the computer
> lab and see the weird things students do. If you
> administer your own
> system, you might see about installing a true window
> manager like
> Window Maker and studying up on that. You can run
> "gnome-panel"
> inside there if you want to. If you go really old school,
> uninstall
> the graphical log in altogether and run startx to bring up
> the X
> server. You don't learn anything until you break
> something.
>
> But, then again, you gotta take my advice with caution. I
> also think
> that cars that actually start on the first time are bad
> because nobody
> can change a starter motor or spark plugs anymore.
> </old_timer_rant>
>
> pj
>
Paul, thanks for the extra info and rant. Not sure you answered my question,...why his windows disappeared and why
> there were no entries in the panel.
The OP didn't report back what he did or maybe I missed it.
But no matter; it's not necessary. I'm one of those guys that has changed out several starters and many points and condensers in my early days but don't care to again ever(bad back and age)-
Take care and have a great day,
Leonard Chatagnier
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