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Old 11-07-2008, 01:25 PM
Bart Silverstrim
 
Default Canonical/Ubuntu question

I don't know if anyone can or will answer this...sometimes this list is
quite hit or miss...but are there people from Canonical or developers
for apps in the repos monitoring the list(s)?

I was curious since I went from 8.04 to 8.10 and had 3 issues so far on
2 machines, and it seems that the issues were known problems from beta
testing and I think they're in the bug tracker, but I don't know if
there's ever any feedback on what the status of the bug is. The webcam
driver issue seemed to have been reported other places, but am I holding
my breath that it's being worked on or is it one of those things that
will be ignored or left as obsolete? So I wondered if there was a site
or method of finding out before deciding if I need to downgrade or get
rid of the hardware in question, or what the best practices was in that
situation.

Not trying to start a flamewar or fit. I'm asking how as an end user to
get feedback on issues rather than just shouting to the mountains, or if
the bug tracker is the last word...in which case it seems kind of open
ended.

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Old 11-07-2008, 05:06 PM
Thomas Kaiser
 
Default Canonical/Ubuntu question

Bart Silverstrim wrote:
> I don't know if anyone can or will answer this...sometimes this list is
> quite hit or miss...but are there people from Canonical or developers
> for apps in the repos monitoring the list(s)?
>
> I was curious since I went from 8.04 to 8.10 and had 3 issues so far on
> 2 machines, and it seems that the issues were known problems from beta
> testing and I think they're in the bug tracker, but I don't know if
> there's ever any feedback on what the status of the bug is. The webcam
> driver issue seemed to have been reported other places, but am I holding
> my breath that it's being worked on or is it one of those things that
> will be ignored or left as obsolete? So I wondered if there was a site
> or method of finding out before deciding if I need to downgrade or get
> rid of the hardware in question, or what the best practices was in that
> situation.
>
> Not trying to start a flamewar or fit. I'm asking how as an end user to
> get feedback on issues rather than just shouting to the mountains, or if
> the bug tracker is the last word...in which case it seems kind of open
> ended.
>

Which Webcam and which version of Ubuntu?

Thomas

PS: I am not a Ubuntu developer, but you should have more details in
your question.

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Old 11-08-2008, 05:50 AM
scott
 
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Thomas Kaiser wrote:
> Bart Silverstrim wrote:
>
>> I don't know if anyone can or will answer this...sometimes this list is
>> quite hit or miss...but are there people from Canonical or developers
>> for apps in the repos monitoring the list(s)?
>>
>> I was curious since I went from 8.04 to 8.10 and had 3 issues so far on
>> 2 machines, and it seems that the issues were known problems from beta
>> testing and I think they're in the bug tracker, but I don't know if
>> there's ever any feedback on what the status of the bug is. The webcam
>> driver issue seemed to have been reported other places, but am I holding
>> my breath that it's being worked on or is it one of those things that
>> will be ignored or left as obsolete? So I wondered if there was a site
>> or method of finding out before deciding if I need to downgrade or get
>> rid of the hardware in question, or what the best practices was in that
>> situation.
>>
>> Not trying to start a flamewar or fit. I'm asking how as an end user to
>> get feedback on issues rather than just shouting to the mountains, or if
>> the bug tracker is the last word...in which case it seems kind of open
>> ended.
>>
>>
>
> Which Webcam and which version of Ubuntu?
>
> Thomas
>
> PS: I am not a Ubuntu developer, but you should have more details in
> your question.
>
>
I was just wondering. Programming experience? By the way you posted, my
guess would be probably.

If you have the skills , you can always jump in and help the developers.

After all, isn't that what open software is all about?

And, yes, I help as much as I can. Not trying to be coy. Just saying
that free software still requires a lot of time and effort.

If I'm wrong, sorry. You can still help by adding your two-cents worth,
as a user, to any developer of your choice.

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Old 11-08-2008, 07:22 AM
Dax Solomon Umaming
 
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Bart Silverstrim wrote:
> I don't know if anyone can or will answer this...sometimes this list is
> quite hit or miss...but are there people from Canonical or developers
> for apps in the repos monitoring the list(s)?

There are a couple of devs I know subscribed to this list, but I doubt
they're monitoring. You can usually get feedback from the ubuntu-devel list.

> I was curious since I went from 8.04 to 8.10 and had 3 issues so far on
> 2 machines, and it seems that the issues were known problems from beta
> testing and I think they're in the bug tracker, but I don't know if
> there's ever any feedback on what the status of the bug is.

However, if it's a bug, they'll just usually just point you to
bugs.launchpad.net since ubuntu-devel's mostly used for planning and
coordination. The same with ubuntu-bugsquad.

> The webcam
> driver issue seemed to have been reported other places, but am I holding
> my breath that it's being worked on or is it one of those things that
> will be ignored or left as obsolete?

Same here, I have problems with my 2 webcams. It worked previously with
Edgy, but not on Feisty. I've given up on them since the bug I reported
seems to be stuck in dev-oblivion.

I've looked high and low before for a resolution on my webcam problem,
until someone (another dev) pointed out that there's no Canonical/Ubuntu
dev working on webcams. They just get the package upstream and few
really bothers fixing bugs - mostly because it's not high up on their list.

If it's really important to you to get your webcam working, try
contacting Michel "the webcam guy" Xhaard[1] since he's the specialist
in that field. A better process would be to file a bug report - but I
don't see a bug tracker on his site[2], so I think he looks at bug
reports downstream.

> So I wondered if there was a site
> or method of finding out before deciding if I need to downgrade or get
> rid of the hardware in question, or what the best practices was in that
> situation.

You can look at his compatibility charts for one[3][4].

> Not trying to start a flamewar or fit. I'm asking how as an end user to
> get feedback on issues rather than just shouting to the mountains, or if
> the bug tracker is the last word...in which case it seems kind of open
> ended.

Unfortunately, that is the process. Everyone relies on bug trackers.


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Old 11-08-2008, 07:28 AM
Dax Solomon Umaming
 
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Arrgghh, hit the ctrl+enter too soon. Resending with links

Bart Silverstrim wrote:
> > I don't know if anyone can or will answer this...sometimes this list is
> > quite hit or miss...but are there people from Canonical or developers
> > for apps in the repos monitoring the list(s)?

There are a couple of devs I know subscribed to this list, but I doubt
they're monitoring. You can usually get feedback from the ubuntu-devel list.

> > I was curious since I went from 8.04 to 8.10 and had 3 issues so far on
> > 2 machines, and it seems that the issues were known problems from beta
> > testing and I think they're in the bug tracker, but I don't know if
> > there's ever any feedback on what the status of the bug is.

However, if it's a bug, they'll just usually just point you to
bugs.launchpad.net since ubuntu-devel's mostly used for planning and
coordination. The same with ubuntu-bugsquad.

> > The webcam
> > driver issue seemed to have been reported other places, but am I holding
> > my breath that it's being worked on or is it one of those things that
> > will be ignored or left as obsolete?

Same here, I have problems with my 2 webcams. It worked previously with
Edgy, but not on Feisty. I've given up on them since the bug I reported
seems to be stuck in dev-oblivion.

I've looked high and low before for a resolution on my webcam problem,
until someone (another dev) pointed out that there's no Canonical/Ubuntu
dev working on webcams. They just get the package upstream and few
really bothers fixing bugs - mostly because it's not high up on their list.

If it's really important to you to get your webcam working, try
contacting Michel "the webcam guy" Xhaard[1] since he's the specialist
in that field. A better process would be to file a bug report - but I
don't see a bug tracker on his site[2], so I think he looks at bug
reports downstream.

> > So I wondered if there was a site
> > or method of finding out before deciding if I need to downgrade or get
> > rid of the hardware in question, or what the best practices was in that
> > situation.

You can look at his compatibility charts for one[3][4].

> > Not trying to start a flamewar or fit. I'm asking how as an end user to
> > get feedback on issues rather than just shouting to the mountains, or if
> > the bug tracker is the last word...in which case it seems kind of open
> > ended.

Unfortunately, that is the process. Everyone relies on bug trackers.

[1]
http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2007/04/30/one-man-writes-linux-drivers-for-235-usb-webcams
[2] http://mxhaard.free.fr/
[3] http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html
[4] http://mxhaard.free.fr/embedded.html

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Old 11-08-2008, 08:54 AM
Thomas Kaiser
 
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Dax Solomon Umaming wrote:
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> Arrgghh, hit the ctrl+enter too soon. Resending with links
>
> Bart Silverstrim wrote:
>>> I don't know if anyone can or will answer this...sometimes this list is
>>> quite hit or miss...but are there people from Canonical or developers
>>> for apps in the repos monitoring the list(s)?
>
> There are a couple of devs I know subscribed to this list, but I doubt
> they're monitoring. You can usually get feedback from the ubuntu-devel list.
>
>>> I was curious since I went from 8.04 to 8.10 and had 3 issues so far on
>>> 2 machines, and it seems that the issues were known problems from beta
>>> testing and I think they're in the bug tracker, but I don't know if
>>> there's ever any feedback on what the status of the bug is.
>
> However, if it's a bug, they'll just usually just point you to
> bugs.launchpad.net since ubuntu-devel's mostly used for planning and
> coordination. The same with ubuntu-bugsquad.
>
>>> The webcam
>>> driver issue seemed to have been reported other places, but am I holding
>>> my breath that it's being worked on or is it one of those things that
>>> will be ignored or left as obsolete?
>
> Same here, I have problems with my 2 webcams. It worked previously with
> Edgy, but not on Feisty. I've given up on them since the bug I reported
> seems to be stuck in dev-oblivion.
>
> I've looked high and low before for a resolution on my webcam problem,
> until someone (another dev) pointed out that there's no Canonical/Ubuntu
> dev working on webcams. They just get the package upstream and few
> really bothers fixing bugs - mostly because it's not high up on their list.
>
> If it's really important to you to get your webcam working, try
> contacting Michel "the webcam guy" Xhaard[1] since he's the specialist
> in that field. A better process would be to file a bug report - but I
> don't see a bug tracker on his site[2], so I think he looks at bug
> reports downstream.
>
>>> So I wondered if there was a site
>>> or method of finding out before deciding if I need to downgrade or get
>>> rid of the hardware in question, or what the best practices was in that
>>> situation.
>
> You can look at his compatibility charts for one[3][4].
>
>>> Not trying to start a flamewar or fit. I'm asking how as an end user to
>>> get feedback on issues rather than just shouting to the mountains, or if
>>> the bug tracker is the last word...in which case it seems kind of open
>>> ended.
>
> Unfortunately, that is the process. Everyone relies on bug trackers.
>
> [1]
> http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2007/04/30/one-man-writes-linux-drivers-for-235-usb-webcams
> [2] http://mxhaard.free.fr/
> [3] http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html
> [4] http://mxhaard.free.fr/embedded.html
>
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> http://blog.knightlust.com/
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Hello All

gspca V1 at http://mxhaard.free.fr/ is not maintained any more and this
driver is V4L1. Jean-Francois Moine (http://moinejf.free.fr/) is
rewriting gspca for V4l2. And gspca is in the official kernel tree, now.
It is also included in the linuxtv project (www.linuxtv.org).

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Old 11-08-2008, 12:59 PM
Bart Silverstrim
 
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scott wrote:
> Thomas Kaiser wrote:
>> Bart Silverstrim wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know if anyone can or will answer this...sometimes this list is
>>> quite hit or miss...but are there people from Canonical or developers
>>> for apps in the repos monitoring the list(s)?
>>>
>>> I was curious since I went from 8.04 to 8.10 and had 3 issues so far on
>>> 2 machines, and it seems that the issues were known problems from beta
>>> testing and I think they're in the bug tracker, but I don't know if
>>> there's ever any feedback on what the status of the bug is. The webcam
>>> driver issue seemed to have been reported other places, but am I holding
>>> my breath that it's being worked on or is it one of those things that
>>> will be ignored or left as obsolete? So I wondered if there was a site
>>> or method of finding out before deciding if I need to downgrade or get
>>> rid of the hardware in question, or what the best practices was in that
>>> situation.
>>>
>>> Not trying to start a flamewar or fit. I'm asking how as an end user to
>>> get feedback on issues rather than just shouting to the mountains, or if
>>> the bug tracker is the last word...in which case it seems kind of open
>>> ended.
>>>
>>>
>> Which Webcam and which version of Ubuntu?

Ubuntu is Intrepid. 2.6.27-7-generic #1 SMP Tue Nov 4 19:33:20 UTC 2008
i686 from Uname.

Webcam:
Bus 002 Device 007: ID 046d:08d7 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Communicate STX
Bus 002 Device 006: ID 046d:08d7 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Communicate STX

The cam worked fine before in Hardy, think it's an issue with gspca
driver? There was some latent buzz about it during the betas, I've
discovered after the fact.

>> Thomas
>>
>> PS: I am not a Ubuntu developer, but you should have more details in
>> your question.

I posted before, but didn't see any replies to it (webcam specific). I
posted about the first problem (intel video problem, known bug). Network
issue I googled and found network manager has an issue at times (would
see internal network, not go past the gateway, DNS wasn't responding,
had a static IP...wiped /etc/network/interfaces and rebooted, now I have
a DHCP address and all works but I can't use the network manager to
actually alter settings or do anything with the network) and then webcam
I discovered giving a green screen with "error getting image" errors
appearing on the console when running gqcam, even though both
/dev/video* devices are there and appear to have modules running.

> I was just wondering. Programming experience? By the way you posted, my
> guess would be probably.
>
> If you have the skills , you can always jump in and help the developers.
>
> After all, isn't that what open software is all about?

True enough that people do contribute and help...I'm not sure who
exactly you're addressing on this. I didn't mean to imply that people
don't. But there are are projects that quietly die out and people who
don't want to get up to speed with a particular project just to fix a
glitch. I certainly can't.

> And, yes, I help as much as I can. Not trying to be coy. Just saying
> that free software still requires a lot of time and effort.
>
> If I'm wrong, sorry. You can still help by adding your two-cents worth,
> as a user, to any developer of your choice.

The question I was originally asking with this was whether there was an
easy or accepted way to get the status of a problem, if it was being
worked or not. But the end user still needs to know *how* to get
feedback from a developer aside from knowing that "it's been filed". Is
he working on a fix? Is it a side project he'll probably get to in a
month or two? Is he busy rebuilding his car instead of that damn driver
again?

Just...y'know...feedback from feedback.


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Old 11-08-2008, 01:01 PM
Bart Silverstrim
 
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Dax Solomon Umaming wrote:
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Thanks! Not the answer I was hoping for exactly, but I'll take what I
can get. Thanks for the pointers!
:-)

-Bart

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Old 11-08-2008, 01:02 PM
Bart Silverstrim
 
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Thomas Kaiser wrote:

>>
> Hello All
>
> gspca V1 at http://mxhaard.free.fr/ is not maintained any more and this
> driver is V4L1. Jean-Francois Moine (http://moinejf.free.fr/) is
> rewriting gspca for V4l2. And gspca is in the official kernel tree, now.
> It is also included in the linuxtv project (www.linuxtv.org).

So there's hope the bug with the STX cams will be cleared up in the near
future?

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Old 11-08-2008, 09:41 PM
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On 11/08/2008 12:28 AM, Dax Solomon Umaming wrote:
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> Arrgghh, hit the ctrl+enter too soon. Resending with links
>
> Bart Silverstrim wrote:
[snip]
>
> Unfortunately, that is the process. Everyone relies on bug trackers.
>
> [1]
> http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2007/04/30/one-man-writes-linux-drivers-for-235-usb-webcams
> [2] http://mxhaard.free.fr/
> [3] http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html
> [4] http://mxhaard.free.fr/embedded.html
>

Very interesting article & links - thanks!

For Bart, note at the bottom of the http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html
page is this:

Logitech (http://www.quickcamteam.net/)
This project benefit from Logitech help

The Logitec quickcamteam.net site is worth a look.


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