I have (several) Ubuntu 8.04 systems with AMD 780G motherboard (Gigabyte
GA-MA78GM-S2H) with onboard ATI video. The newest ATI Catalyst 8.9
fglrx X drivers are installed.

I have VMware workstation/vmplayer 6.5.0 118166. I had installed VMware
6.5.0 beta but then upgraded them to 118166.

I have a Win95 guest into which I have installed the VMware Tools from
6.5.0 11816 which resulted in installation of VMware Tools 7.7.0 114891.

The Win95 guest keeps hanging/crashing. Sometimes the crash just hangs
and the guest will no longer respond to keyboard/mouse input. Sometimes
the crash freezes and/or takes the whole X down leaving a screen which
will not respond to keyboard/mouse or just a black screen. When it
crashes the Win95 appears hung (won't respond to ping, etc.) the console
X may be frozen but the underlying host is still fine (can ssh to the
host and all the non-X stuff still running fine.)

This same guest can be run on an older Red Hat 8 machine with
workstation 6.0.x just fine. It's way slow but it doesn't crash. It has
also been run on another workstation with Ubuntu 8.04 but an nVidia
video board. It has not been run as extensively on these other
workstations but, to the extent it did run, it never crashed.

A purusal of the log files has not yielded much of use. When it
hangs/crashes it does not seem to have time/ability to log the problem.
(Or maybe I'm not seeing something).

I believe there is some kind of problem/interaction between the ATI
fglrx driver and VMware video. I believe this, in part, because the
problem was much, much more pronounced when running the original Ubuntu
8.04 ATI fglrx based on Catalyst 8.3. The problems got much better
after upgrading to the newest Catalyst.

1) Is anyone else having problems like this?

2) Any suggestions for settings in VMware/Win95 and/or X that might
alleviate these problems?

3) Any suggestions for how best to isolate the problem.

Thanks. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am trying to help
someone turn half-dozen workstations inside-out; that is from Win95
machines running Cygwin X to Ubuntu machines running Win95 in VMplayer.

R.Parr, RHCE, Temporal Arts
Portland, OR U.S.A.

P.S. I also posted this in the VMware forums but thought it might be
more general fglrx and better posted here as well.

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Randall J. Parr schreef:
> I have (several) Ubuntu 8.04 systems with AMD 780G motherboard (Gigabyte
> GA-MA78GM-S2H) with onboard ATI video. The newest ATI Catalyst 8.9
> fglrx X drivers are installed.
>
> I have VMware workstation/vmplayer 6.5.0 118166. I had installed VMware
> 6.5.0 beta but then upgraded them to 118166.
>
> I have a Win95 guest into which I have installed the VMware Tools from
> 6.5.0 11816 which resulted in installation of VMware Tools 7.7.0 114891.
>
> The Win95 guest keeps hanging/crashing. Sometimes the crash just hangs
> and the guest will no longer respond to keyboard/mouse input. Sometimes
> the crash freezes and/or takes the whole X down leaving a screen which
> will not respond to keyboard/mouse or just a black screen. When it
> crashes the Win95 appears hung (won't respond to ping, etc.) the console
> X may be frozen but the underlying host is still fine (can ssh to the
> host and all the non-X stuff still running fine.)
>
> This same guest can be run on an older Red Hat 8 machine with
> workstation 6.0.x just fine. It's way slow but it doesn't crash. It has
> also been run on another workstation with Ubuntu 8.04 but an nVidia
> video board. It has not been run as extensively on these other
> workstations but, to the extent it did run, it never crashed.
>
> A purusal of the log files has not yielded much of use. When it
> hangs/crashes it does not seem to have time/ability to log the problem.
> (Or maybe I'm not seeing something).
>
> I believe there is some kind of problem/interaction between the ATI
> fglrx driver and VMware video. I believe this, in part, because the
> problem was much, much more pronounced when running the original Ubuntu
> 8.04 ATI fglrx based on Catalyst 8.3. The problems got much better
> after upgrading to the newest Catalyst.
>
> 1) Is anyone else having problems like this?
>
> 2) Any suggestions for settings in VMware/Win95 and/or X that might
> alleviate these problems?
>
> 3) Any suggestions for how best to isolate the problem.
>
> Thanks. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am trying to help
> someone turn half-dozen workstations inside-out; that is from Win95
> machines running Cygwin X to Ubuntu machines running Win95 in VMplayer.
>
> R.Parr, RHCE, Temporal Arts
> Portland, OR U.S.A.
>
> P.S. I also posted this in the VMware forums but thought it might be
> more general fglrx and better posted here as well.
>
I have worked with VMware with a lot of problems (AMD64, first with
Fedora7 and now with Ubuntu hardy). I recently switched to VirtualBox,
which is the Opensource counterpart of VMware and have had no problems.
VirtualBox can be downloaded with synaptic.
It may be worthwhile to try that before spending hours on VMware.
My 2 cts.
Joep


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On 10/10/2008 03:55 PM, Joep L. Blom wrote:

>>
> I have worked with VMware with a lot of problems (AMD64, first with
> Fedora7 and now with Ubuntu hardy). I recently switched to VirtualBox,
> which is the Opensource counterpart of VMware and have had no problems.
> VirtualBox can be downloaded with synaptic.
> It may be worthwhile to try that before spending hours on VMware.
> My 2 cts.
> Joep
>
>

You won't find Win95 support with VirtualBox, see:

http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Guest_OSes

@Randall J. Parr: it's dead jim...


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NoOp schreef:
> On 10/10/2008 03:55 PM, Joep L. Blom wrote:
>
>> I have worked with VMware with a lot of problems (AMD64, first with
>> Fedora7 and now with Ubuntu hardy). I recently switched to VirtualBox,
>> which is the Opensource counterpart of VMware and have had no problems.
>> VirtualBox can be downloaded with synaptic.
>> It may be worthwhile to try that before spending hours on VMware.
>> My 2 cts.
>> Joep
>>
>>
>
> You won't find Win95 support with VirtualBox, see:
>
> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Guest_OSes
>
> @Randall J. Parr: it's dead jim...
>
>
Thanks, Noop.
I didn't know. I wonder if it actually does not work or still not tried.
Joep


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not sure if you enabled 3D accelerate inside the guest OS
try turning it off see if it will help
also, try turn off xgl on your host



On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Joep L. Blom <jlblom@neuroweave.nl> wrote:

NoOp schreef:

> On 10/10/2008 03:55 PM, Joep L. Blom wrote:

>

>> I have worked with VMware with a lot of problems (AMD64, first with

>> Fedora7 and now with Ubuntu hardy). I recently switched to VirtualBox,

>> which is the Opensource counterpart of VMware and have had no problems.

>> VirtualBox can be downloaded with synaptic.

>> It may be worthwhile to try that before spending hours on VMware.

>> My 2 cts.

>> Joep

>>

>>

>

> You won't find Win95 support with VirtualBox, see:

>

> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Guest_OSes

>

> @Randall J. Parr: it's dead jim...

>

>

Thanks, Noop.

I didn't know. I wonder if it actually does not work or still not tried.

Joep





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On 10/11/2008 03:12 AM, Joep L. Blom wrote:
> NoOp schreef:

>>
>> You won't find Win95 support with VirtualBox, see:
>>
>> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Guest_OSes
>>
>> @Randall J. Parr: it's dead jim...
>>
>>
> Thanks, Noop.
> I didn't know. I wonder if it actually does not work or still not tried.
> Joep
>
>

Don't know... I've a few Win95 CD's around here (I tend to be a software
packrat) & if I find time I'll give it a try.


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