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Old 08-23-2008, 03:52 PM
Graham Watkins
 
Default Can I format a disk in an external floppy drive

Hi all,

When I got my new computer, it did not have a built-in floppy drive so I
bought an external usb model. Obviously floppy disks don't have much of
a future so all I wanted to do was lift any valuable data off them, burn
it to a CD and re-format the disks so that they could be given/thrown
away. However, kfloppy does not recognise the drive so I can't do it
that way. fdisk doesn't see it either. Does anybody know what, if
anything I should do to re-format the disks?

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Old 08-23-2008, 06:05 PM
elmo
 
Default Can I format a disk in an external floppy drive

Graham Watkins wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> When I got my new computer, it did not have a built-in floppy drive so I
> bought an external usb model. Obviously floppy disks don't have much of
> a future so all I wanted to do was lift any valuable data off them, burn
> it to a CD and re-format the disks so that they could be given/thrown
> away. However, kfloppy does not recognise the drive so I can't do it
> that way. fdisk doesn't see it either. Does anybody know what, if
> anything I should do to re-format the disks?
>
>
I use an external floppy..In Windows, it is B:

I use it the same way as an A: drive, formatting, etc. I haven't tried
it in any Linux.

elmo

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Old 08-23-2008, 07:12 PM
Graham Watkins
 
Default Can I format a disk in an external floppy drive

elmo wrote:
> Graham Watkins wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> When I got my new computer, it did not have a built-in floppy drive so I
>> bought an external usb model. Obviously floppy disks don't have much of
>> a future so all I wanted to do was lift any valuable data off them, burn
>> it to a CD and re-format the disks so that they could be given/thrown
>> away. However, kfloppy does not recognise the drive so I can't do it
>> that way. fdisk doesn't see it either. Does anybody know what, if
>> anything I should do to re-format the disks?
>>
>>
>>
> I use an external floppy..In Windows, it is B:
>
> I use it the same way as an A: drive, formatting, etc. I haven't tried
> it in any Linux.
>
> elmo
>
>
Windows is not an option.

A correction to my earlier mail: fdisk -l does now show the floppy
device as sdc. I'm not sure what all those partitions are about though.

Disk /dev/sdc: 1 MB, 1474560 bytes
1 heads, 3 sectors/track, 960 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 3 * 512 = 1536 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x73696420

This doesn't look like a partition table
Probably you selected the wrong device.

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sdc1 ? 639983653 821462684 272218546+ 20 Unknown
Partition 1 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
phys=(356, 97, 46) logical=(639983652, 0, 3)
Partition 1 has different physical/logical endings:
phys=(357, 116, 40) logical=(821462683, 0, 2)
Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
/dev/sdc2 ? 443394735 623053497 269488144 6b Unknown
Partition 2 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
phys=(288, 110, 57) logical=(443394734, 0, 1)
Partition 2 has different physical/logical endings:
phys=(269, 101, 57) logical=(623053496, 0, 2)
Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary.
/dev/sdc3 ? 179663131 645784101 699181456 53 OnTrack DM6 Aux3
Partition 3 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
phys=(345, 32, 19) logical=(179663130, 0, 2)
Partition 3 has different physical/logical endings:
phys=(324, 77, 19) logical=(645784100, 0, 3)
Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary.
/dev/sdc4 * 464875888 464883000 10668+ 49 Unknown
Partition 4 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
phys=(87, 1, 0) logical=(464875887, 0, 3)
Partition 4 has different physical/logical endings:
phys=(335, 78, 2) logical=(464882999, 0, 3)
Partition 4 does not end on cylinder boundary.


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Old 08-23-2008, 07:47 PM
Larry
 
Default Can I format a disk in an external floppy drive

Graham Watkins wrote:
> elmo wrote:
>
>> Graham Watkins wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> When I got my new computer, it did not have a built-in floppy drive so I
>>> bought an external usb model. Obviously floppy disks don't have much of
>>> a future so all I wanted to do was lift any valuable data off them, burn
>>> it to a CD and re-format the disks so that they could be given/thrown
>>> away. However, kfloppy does not recognise the drive so I can't do it
>>> that way. fdisk doesn't see it either. Does anybody know what, if
>>> anything I should do to re-format the disks?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I use an external floppy..In Windows, it is B:
>>
>> I use it the same way as an A: drive, formatting, etc. I haven't tried
>> it in any Linux.
>>
>> elmo
>>
>>
>>
> Windows is not an option.
>
> A correction to my earlier mail: fdisk -l does now show the floppy
> device as sdc. I'm not sure what all those partitions are about though.
>
> Disk /dev/sdc: 1 MB, 1474560 bytes
> 1 heads, 3 sectors/track, 960 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 3 * 512 = 1536 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x73696420
>
> This doesn't look like a partition table
> Probably you selected the wrong device.
>
> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
> /dev/sdc1 ? 639983653 821462684 272218546+ 20 Unknown
> Partition 1 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
> phys=(356, 97, 46) logical=(639983652, 0, 3)
> Partition 1 has different physical/logical endings:
> phys=(357, 116, 40) logical=(821462683, 0, 2)
> Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
> /dev/sdc2 ? 443394735 623053497 269488144 6b Unknown
> Partition 2 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
> phys=(288, 110, 57) logical=(443394734, 0, 1)
> Partition 2 has different physical/logical endings:
> phys=(269, 101, 57) logical=(623053496, 0, 2)
> Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary.
> /dev/sdc3 ? 179663131 645784101 699181456 53 OnTrack DM6 Aux3
> Partition 3 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
> phys=(345, 32, 19) logical=(179663130, 0, 2)
> Partition 3 has different physical/logical endings:
> phys=(324, 77, 19) logical=(645784100, 0, 3)
> Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary.
> /dev/sdc4 * 464875888 464883000 10668+ 49 Unknown
> Partition 4 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
> phys=(87, 1, 0) logical=(464875887, 0, 3)
> Partition 4 has different physical/logical endings:
> phys=(335, 78, 2) logical=(464882999, 0, 3)
> Partition 4 does not end on cylinder boundary.
>
>
>
*Try this, to see if it shows your floppy drive...

cd /media then type ls...

Then try mount /dev/fd0, <--- that's a zero...

Mine is internal floppy, which uses the fd0, your's might be alittle
different...

See if it will work then for you...

Larry
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Old 08-23-2008, 07:48 PM
Larry
 
Default Can I format a disk in an external floppy drive

Graham Watkins wrote:
> elmo wrote:
>
>> Graham Watkins wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> When I got my new computer, it did not have a built-in floppy drive so I
>>> bought an external usb model. Obviously floppy disks don't have much of
>>> a future so all I wanted to do was lift any valuable data off them, burn
>>> it to a CD and re-format the disks so that they could be given/thrown
>>> away. However, kfloppy does not recognise the drive so I can't do it
>>> that way. fdisk doesn't see it either. Does anybody know what, if
>>> anything I should do to re-format the disks?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I use an external floppy..In Windows, it is B:
>>
>> I use it the same way as an A: drive, formatting, etc. I haven't tried
>> it in any Linux.
>>
>> elmo
>>
>>
>>
> Windows is not an option.
>
> A correction to my earlier mail: fdisk -l does now show the floppy
> device as sdc. I'm not sure what all those partitions are about though.
>
> Disk /dev/sdc: 1 MB, 1474560 bytes
> 1 heads, 3 sectors/track, 960 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 3 * 512 = 1536 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x73696420
>
> This doesn't look like a partition table
> Probably you selected the wrong device.
>
> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
> /dev/sdc1 ? 639983653 821462684 272218546+ 20 Unknown
> Partition 1 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
> phys=(356, 97, 46) logical=(639983652, 0, 3)
> Partition 1 has different physical/logical endings:
> phys=(357, 116, 40) logical=(821462683, 0, 2)
> Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
> /dev/sdc2 ? 443394735 623053497 269488144 6b Unknown
> Partition 2 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
> phys=(288, 110, 57) logical=(443394734, 0, 1)
> Partition 2 has different physical/logical endings:
> phys=(269, 101, 57) logical=(623053496, 0, 2)
> Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary.
> /dev/sdc3 ? 179663131 645784101 699181456 53 OnTrack DM6 Aux3
> Partition 3 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
> phys=(345, 32, 19) logical=(179663130, 0, 2)
> Partition 3 has different physical/logical endings:
> phys=(324, 77, 19) logical=(645784100, 0, 3)
> Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary.
> /dev/sdc4 * 464875888 464883000 10668+ 49 Unknown
> Partition 4 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
> phys=(87, 1, 0) logical=(464875887, 0, 3)
> Partition 4 has different physical/logical endings:
> phys=(335, 78, 2) logical=(464882999, 0, 3)
> Partition 4 does not end on cylinder boundary.
>
>
>
*Try this, to see if it shows your floppy drive...

cd /media then type ls...

Then try mount /dev/fd0, <--- that's a zero...

Mine is internal floppy, which uses the fd0, your's might be alittle
different...

See if it will work for you then format it...

Larry
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Old 08-24-2008, 07:25 AM
Graham Watkins
 
Default Can I format a disk in an external floppy drive

Larry wrote:
> Graham Watkins wrote:
>
>> elmo wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Graham Watkins wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> When I got my new computer, it did not have a built-in floppy drive so I
>>>> bought an external usb model. Obviously floppy disks don't have much of
>>>> a future so all I wanted to do was lift any valuable data off them, burn
>>>> it to a CD and re-format the disks so that they could be given/thrown
>>>> away. However, kfloppy does not recognise the drive so I can't do it
>>>> that way. fdisk doesn't see it either. Does anybody know what, if
>>>> anything I should do to re-format the disks?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I use an external floppy..In Windows, it is B:
>>>
>>> I use it the same way as an A: drive, formatting, etc. I haven't tried
>>> it in any Linux.
>>>
>>> elmo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Windows is not an option.
>>
>> A correction to my earlier mail: fdisk -l does now show the floppy
>> device as sdc. I'm not sure what all those partitions are about though.
>>
>> Disk /dev/sdc: 1 MB, 1474560 bytes
>> 1 heads, 3 sectors/track, 960 cylinders
>> Units = cylinders of 3 * 512 = 1536 bytes
>> Disk identifier: 0x73696420
>>
>> This doesn't look like a partition table
>> Probably you selected the wrong device.
>>
>> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
>> /dev/sdc1 ? 639983653 821462684 272218546+ 20 Unknown
>> Partition 1 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
>> phys=(356, 97, 46) logical=(639983652, 0, 3)
>> Partition 1 has different physical/logical endings:
>> phys=(357, 116, 40) logical=(821462683, 0, 2)
>> Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
>> /dev/sdc2 ? 443394735 623053497 269488144 6b Unknown
>> Partition 2 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
>> phys=(288, 110, 57) logical=(443394734, 0, 1)
>> Partition 2 has different physical/logical endings:
>> phys=(269, 101, 57) logical=(623053496, 0, 2)
>> Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary.
>> /dev/sdc3 ? 179663131 645784101 699181456 53 OnTrack DM6 Aux3
>> Partition 3 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
>> phys=(345, 32, 19) logical=(179663130, 0, 2)
>> Partition 3 has different physical/logical endings:
>> phys=(324, 77, 19) logical=(645784100, 0, 3)
>> Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary.
>> /dev/sdc4 * 464875888 464883000 10668+ 49 Unknown
>> Partition 4 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
>> phys=(87, 1, 0) logical=(464875887, 0, 3)
>> Partition 4 has different physical/logical endings:
>> phys=(335, 78, 2) logical=(464882999, 0, 3)
>> Partition 4 does not end on cylinder boundary.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> *Try this, to see if it shows your floppy drive...
>
> cd /media then type ls...
>
> Then try mount /dev/fd0, <--- that's a zero...
>
> Mine is internal floppy, which uses the fd0, your's might be alittle
> different...
>
> See if it will work for you then format it...
>
> Larry
> *
>
>
There is no fd0. fds are internal floppy drives. If you look at my
fdisk output you will see that it's sdc. But that was yesterday - it's
sdg today.

I think that this can probably be formatted from the command line.
Anybody know of a formatting disks for dummies type tutorial?

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Old 08-24-2008, 07:47 AM
"Joep L. Blom"
 
Default Can I format a disk in an external floppy drive

Graham Watkins schreef:
> Larry wrote:
>> Graham Watkins wrote:
>>
>>> elmo wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Graham Watkins wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> When I got my new computer, it did not have a built-in floppy drive so I
>>>>> bought an external usb model. Obviously floppy disks don't have much of
>>>>> a future so all I wanted to do was lift any valuable data off them, burn
>>>>> it to a CD and re-format the disks so that they could be given/thrown
>>>>> away. However, kfloppy does not recognise the drive so I can't do it
>>>>> that way. fdisk doesn't see it either. Does anybody know what, if
>>>>> anything I should do to re-format the disks?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I use an external floppy..In Windows, it is B:
>>>>
>>>> I use it the same way as an A: drive, formatting, etc. I haven't tried
>>>> it in any Linux.
>>>>
>>>> elmo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Windows is not an option.
>>>
>>> A correction to my earlier mail: fdisk -l does now show the floppy
>>> device as sdc. I'm not sure what all those partitions are about though.
>>>
>>> Disk /dev/sdc: 1 MB, 1474560 bytes
>>> 1 heads, 3 sectors/track, 960 cylinders
>>> Units = cylinders of 3 * 512 = 1536 bytes
>>> Disk identifier: 0x73696420
>>>
>>> This doesn't look like a partition table
>>> Probably you selected the wrong device.
>>>
>>> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
>>> /dev/sdc1 ? 639983653 821462684 272218546+ 20 Unknown
>>> Partition 1 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
>>> phys=(356, 97, 46) logical=(639983652, 0, 3)
>>> Partition 1 has different physical/logical endings:
>>> phys=(357, 116, 40) logical=(821462683, 0, 2)
>>> Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
>>> /dev/sdc2 ? 443394735 623053497 269488144 6b Unknown
>>> Partition 2 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
>>> phys=(288, 110, 57) logical=(443394734, 0, 1)
>>> Partition 2 has different physical/logical endings:
>>> phys=(269, 101, 57) logical=(623053496, 0, 2)
>>> Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary.
>>> /dev/sdc3 ? 179663131 645784101 699181456 53 OnTrack DM6 Aux3
>>> Partition 3 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
>>> phys=(345, 32, 19) logical=(179663130, 0, 2)
>>> Partition 3 has different physical/logical endings:
>>> phys=(324, 77, 19) logical=(645784100, 0, 3)
>>> Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary.
>>> /dev/sdc4 * 464875888 464883000 10668+ 49 Unknown
>>> Partition 4 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
>>> phys=(87, 1, 0) logical=(464875887, 0, 3)
>>> Partition 4 has different physical/logical endings:
>>> phys=(335, 78, 2) logical=(464882999, 0, 3)
>>> Partition 4 does not end on cylinder boundary.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> *Try this, to see if it shows your floppy drive...
>>
>> cd /media then type ls...
>>
>> Then try mount /dev/fd0, <--- that's a zero...
>>
>> Mine is internal floppy, which uses the fd0, your's might be alittle
>> different...
>>
>> See if it will work for you then format it...
>>
>> Larry
>> *
>>
>>
> There is no fd0. fds are internal floppy drives. If you look at my
> fdisk output you will see that it's sdc. But that was yesterday - it's
> sdg today.
>
> I think that this can probably be formatted from the command line.
> Anybody know of a formatting disks for dummies type tutorial?
>
I just typed:
sudo mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0/
[sudo] password for joep: password
and then -after some waiting):

ls -al /media/floppy0/
total 1385
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 7168 1970-01-01 01:00 .
drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 4096 2008-08-17 17:29 ..
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 11208 1994-05-31 06:22 attrib.exe
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 45 2004-03-25 10:39 autoexec.bat
.....

So I don't see why a simple format /media/floppy0/ would'nt work.
(Hardy: 2.6.24-19-generic #1 SMP Fri Jul 11 21:01:46 UTC 2008 x86_64).
I didn't try it but if ubuntu is like fedora (in this respect) it will work.
Joep

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Old 08-24-2008, 04:10 PM
"David Fox"
 
Default Can I format a disk in an external floppy drive

On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Joep L. Blom <jlblom@neuroweave.nl> wrote:

> So I don't see why a simple format /media/floppy0/ would'nt work.
> (Hardy: 2.6.24-19-generic #1 SMP Fri Jul 11 21:01:46 UTC 2008 x86_64).

Well, if you did try it, it wouldn't have worked, because you don't
format mount points. And, the floppy can't be mounted if you want to
format it. Formatting floppies is kind of a special case on Linux
anyway. There are a number of devices under /dev/fd0 - at least there
should be - denoting what kind of density the floppy media supports.

Since (I assume) this is a 3.5 1.44 meg floppy you should do something like:

$ sudo fdformat /dev/fdu1440

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Old 08-24-2008, 05:05 PM
Graham Watkins
 
Default Can I format a disk in an external floppy drive

David Fox wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Joep L. Blom <jlblom@neuroweave.nl> wrote:
>
>
>> So I don't see why a simple format /media/floppy0/ would'nt work.
>> (Hardy: 2.6.24-19-generic #1 SMP Fri Jul 11 21:01:46 UTC 2008 x86_64).
>>
>
> Well, if you did try it, it wouldn't have worked, because you don't
> format mount points. And, the floppy can't be mounted if you want to
> format it. Formatting floppies is kind of a special case on Linux
> anyway. There are a number of devices under /dev/fd0 - at least there
> should be - denoting what kind of density the floppy media supports.
>
> Since (I assume) this is a 3.5 1.44 meg floppy you should do something like:
>
> $ sudo fdformat /dev/fdu1440
>
>

Like I said before, it doesn't work because external floppy drives do
not answer to fd but rather sdg. I have solved the problem after a
fashion using gfloppy although there are still issues insofar as I can
only do a blanking format not a full one which (judging by the error
message ie "Could not determine current floppy geometry.") is connected
to the problems with the partitions as shown in the fdisk -l output (see
previous mail).

This might be fixable by using fdisk to recreate a partition and then
format the disk but this seems to be rather a lot of trouble to go to
right now.


Thanks for everybody's input.

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Old 08-24-2008, 09:26 PM
"Joep L. Blom"
 
Default Can I format a disk in an external floppy drive

Graham Watkins schreef:
> David Fox wrote:
>> On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Joep L. Blom <jlblom@neuroweave.nl> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> So I don't see why a simple format /media/floppy0/ would'nt work.
>>> (Hardy: 2.6.24-19-generic #1 SMP Fri Jul 11 21:01:46 UTC 2008 x86_64).
>>>
>> Well, if you did try it, it wouldn't have worked, because you don't
>> format mount points. And, the floppy can't be mounted if you want to
>> format it. Formatting floppies is kind of a special case on Linux
>> anyway. There are a number of devices under /dev/fd0 - at least there
>> should be - denoting what kind of density the floppy media supports.
>>
>> Since (I assume) this is a 3.5 1.44 meg floppy you should do something like:
>>
>> $ sudo fdformat /dev/fdu1440
>>
>>
>
> Like I said before, it doesn't work because external floppy drives do
> not answer to fd but rather sdg. I have solved the problem after a
> fashion using gfloppy although there are still issues insofar as I can
> only do a blanking format not a full one which (judging by the error
> message ie "Could not determine current floppy geometry.") is connected
> to the problems with the partitions as shown in the fdisk -l output (see
> previous mail).
>
> This might be fixable by using fdisk to recreate a partition and then
> format the disk but this seems to be rather a lot of trouble to go to
> right now.
>
>
> Thanks for everybody's input.
>
> Cheers,
>
Sorry! Stand corrected. I used it a few years ago to format floppies for
the installation of the stand-alone firewall LEAF ( the best in my
opinion: runs on an old (15 year old) K6 in 12 MB memory since 4 years
24/7).
The commands were:
superformat /dev/fd0u1680 (to have the maximum of storage space)
or
fdformat /dev/fd0u1680
Then the imagefile with the complete firewall was transferred using
dd if=inputfile of=/dev/fd0u1680.

You can of course use the standard format with /dev/fd0u1440
I had to look it up in an old manual.
Joep


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