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Old 09-23-2012, 07:52 PM
Azarel Howard
 
Default Ubuntu-Studio-users Digest, Vol 65, Issue 19

I stand correct on the Gnome thing. :P I did a little research after I posted that and found out it's XFCE :P Looks pretty much the same as gnome2 except for the launcher. Hence the confusion.
Ta for the link. I'll*definitely*be trying this out.

I prefer Unity simply because it operates with a similar plan to Mac OS (I know this isn't to everyone's tastes and I don't actually have a Mac myself but...) For users with even a tiny bit of computer experience under their belts, they are going to figure out pretty quickly how everything fits together. And it's a more "unified" experience. :P And I do have some small arguments with Unity, especially when I try to add a second screen to the setup. But on the whole I prefer it over Gnome3, for example, which I have tried.

That being said I am willing to try out a new desktop environment and I've seen some great examples of what can be done with XFCE. It was just the site of a Gnome2 like DE that brought back nightmares of Ubuntu 8.xx and 9.xx way back when I first*dabbled*in Linux OS's. (I haven't been around Linux long. Especially as a regular user as opposed to the occasional Live disk to see what's available "over the garden wall".)

Thanks for the info, now back to discussion topic. Any other good DE's to*recommend?
PS I've been using Ubuntu 12.04 for the past 4 weeks or so and discovered and replaced it with Ubuntu Studio a little over a week ago. About the same time I decided to upgrade my USB stick I use for Linux Distro's to USB3.0 Talk about a speed increase.


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* *2. Re: Hi folks. which is best desquetop to use with buntu

* * * (Mike Holstein)

* *3. Re: Hi folks. which is best desquetop to use with buntu (Rob)

* *4. Re: Hi folks. which is best desquetop to use with buntu

* * * (Mike Holstein)

* *5. Re: Hi folks. which is best desquetop to use with buntu

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Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 21:42:44 +0000

From: Azarel Howard <azariah001@gmail.com>

To: "ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com"

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Subject: Re: Hi folks. which is best desquetop to use with buntu

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I?m going to put my neck out and say Unity. If you?re going to use the

Ubuntu name then.... don?t mess with the foundation more than is needed

especially the UI. Move the launcher to the bottom by all means but...

don?t roll back to Gnome2



I?ve been ?using? Ubuntu Studio for about a week now *(haven?t actually

used the software for recording or anything yet but I?ve started

customizing it and adding my personal software bits) Going back to the

Gnome2 interface from Pre-Ubuntu 10.04 was a disaster. It?s not logical

let?s put it this way. If you?re going to have a launcher the applications

should minimize to there not to the top of the screen! :|



Also the login screen needs to be able to detect when you've installed

other GUI?s cause Unity isn?t coming up as a login option.



Well that?s my 20c



Get the feeling I?m one of the minority that actually likes the new Unity

interface and dislikes Gnome but... we all have our own tastes.



azariah

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Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 18:15:39 -0400

From: Mike Holstein <mikeh789@gmail.com>

To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion

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Subject: Re: Hi folks. which is best desquetop to use with buntu

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On Sep 22, 2012 5:43 PM, "Azarel Howard" <azariah001@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> I?m going to put my neck out and say Unity. If you?re going to use the

Ubuntu name then.... don?t mess with the foundation more than is needed

especially the UI. Move the launcher to the bottom by all means but...

don?t roll back to Gnome2

>

> I?ve been ?using? Ubuntu Studio for about a week now *(haven?t actually

used the software for recording or anything yet but I?ve started

customizing it and adding my personal software bits) Going back to the

Gnome2 interface from Pre-Ubuntu 10.04 was a disaster. It?s not logical

let?s put it this way. If you?re going to have a launcher the applications

should minimize to there not to the top of the screen! :|

>

> Also the login screen needs to be able to detect when you've installed

other GUI?s cause Unity isn?t coming up as a login option.

>

> Well that?s my 20c

>

> Get the feeling I?m one of the minority that actually likes the new Unity

interface and dislikes Gnome but... we all have our own tastes.

>

> azariah



I think unity is fine. I don't think I'll ever use it personally, but I

have no problem suggesting its use, or supporting it. Ubuntustudio ships

with xfce. If you have been using unity, you have not been using

ubuntustudio. Back when both ubuntu and ubuntustudio both used gnome2, I

would routinely install ubuntu and add what I needed from the audio, video,

and graphics packages. As I stated before, this can still easily be done.

If one wants to run unity, you install ubuntu, and add what you want from

either the audio, video and/or graphics packages, or you can install

ubuntustudio, and from there install the ubuntu-desktop.



We chose xfce for a few reasons. The look and feel was more like that of

the older ubuntustudio gnome2 desktop, and the xubuntu team is just awesome

and so helpful.



There are lots of folks who use some ubuntu base, and take advantage of

either the ubuntustudio packages or metapackages. Users are welcome and

encouraged to do this. Kubuntu base users, xubuntu, lubuntu... custom

minimal versions or the main vanilla distro running unity.



The facts:

"Best" is a matter of opinion.

Ubuntustudio ships with xfce.

The studio packages work with all of them.

You can easily switch between them.

Unity is an option.



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Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 18:43:30 -0400

From: Rob <lau@kudla.org>

To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion

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Subject: Re: Hi folks. which is best desquetop to use with buntu

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On 09/22/2012 05:42 PM, Azarel Howard wrote:

> I?ve been ?using? Ubuntu Studio for about a week now *(haven?t actually

> used the software for recording or anything yet but I?ve started

> customizing it and adding my personal software bits) Going back to the

> Gnome2 interface from Pre-Ubuntu 10.04 was a disaster. It?s not logical



Ubuntu Studio currently uses XFCE, not any version of GNOME. Personally, I'm pretty grateful for that, having been running XFCE ever since the advent of Unity anyway. *But I keep my taskbar on the top, also grateful that it doesn't double as a launcher and even more so that it doesn't group all my Pidgin or Thunar windows into one entry like proprietary operating systems (and those who would imitate them) do.




Of course, there's no reason you can't apt-get install ubuntu-desktop if you'd rather pretend you're using an off-brand tablet.



Rob









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Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 18:59:00 -0400

From: Mike Holstein <mikeh789@gmail.com>

To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion

* * * * <ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com>

Subject: Re: Hi folks. which is best desquetop to use with buntu

Message-ID:

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On Sep 22, 2012 6:43 PM, "Rob" <lau@kudla.org> wrote:

>

> On 09/22/2012 05:42 PM, Azarel Howard wrote:

> > I?ve been ?using? Ubuntu Studio for about a week now *(haven?t actually

> > used the software for recording or anything yet but I?ve started

> > customizing it and adding my personal software bits) Going back to the

> > Gnome2 interface from Pre-Ubuntu 10.04 was a disaster. It?s not logical

>

> Ubuntu Studio currently uses XFCE, not any version of GNOME. Personally,

I'm pretty grateful for that, having been running XFCE ever since the

advent of Unity anyway. *But I keep my taskbar on the top, also grateful

that it doesn't double as a launcher and even more so that it doesn't group

all my Pidgin or Thunar windows into one entry like proprietary operating

systems (and those who would imitate them) do.

>

> Of course, there's no reason you can't apt-get install ubuntu-desktop if

you'd rather pretend you're using an off-brand tablet.

>

> Rob

That reminds me.. since ubuntu is providing the most current version of

gnome (just like it always has) it is also easy to install gnome3 and use

it with the ubuntustudio packages... enjoy them all!

>

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Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 22:03:16 -0400

From: Andrew Huys <musiek.sparta.nc@gmail.com>

To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com

Subject: Re: Hi folks. which is best desquetop to use with buntu

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On 9/22/12 5:42 PM, Azarel Howard wrote:

> I'm going to put my neck out and say Unity. If you're going to use the

> Ubuntu name then.... don't mess with the foundation more than is

> needed especially the UI. Move the launcher to the bottom by all

> means but... don't roll back to Gnome2

> I've been 'using' Ubuntu Studio for about a week now (haven't actually

> used the software for recording or anything yet but I've started

> customizing it and adding my personal software bits) Going back to the

> Gnome2 interface from Pre-Ubuntu 10.04 was a disaster. It's not

> logical let's put it this way. If you're going to have a launcher the

> applications should minimize to there not to the top of the screen! :|

> Also the login screen needs to be able to detect when you've installed

> other GUI's cause Unity isn't coming up as a login option.

> Well that's my 20c

> Get the feeling I'm one of the minority that actually likes the new

> Unity interface and dislikes Gnome but... we all have our own tastes.

> azariah

>

>

"If you're going to have a launcher the applications should minimize to

there not to the top of the screen! :|"



One of the advantages of XFCE is that it is highly customizable. *It is

possible to move the Window Buttons to the bottom of the screen. Check

out <http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09052012-121814pm.php#>



ANDHUYS

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Old 09-23-2012, 08:26 PM
Mike Holstein
 
Default Ubuntu-Studio-users Digest, Vol 65, Issue 19

Good is a matter of opinion... I would literally load up all/any environment and see what you think of them. You can use all/any of them with the ubuntustudio software without any issues... there's a nice light one called razor-qt.. I use openbox... load them up and check them out...


On Sep 23, 2012 3:53 PM, "Azarel Howard" <azariah001@gmail.com> wrote:
I stand correct on the Gnome thing. :P I did a little research after I posted that and found out it's XFCE :P Looks pretty much the same as gnome2 except for the launcher. Hence the confusion.
Ta for the link. I'll*definitely*be trying this out.


I prefer Unity simply because it operates with a similar plan to Mac OS (I know this isn't to everyone's tastes and I don't actually have a Mac myself but...) For users with even a tiny bit of computer experience under their belts, they are going to figure out pretty quickly how everything fits together. And it's a more "unified" experience. :P And I do have some small arguments with Unity, especially when I try to add a second screen to the setup. But on the whole I prefer it over Gnome3, for example, which I have tried.


That being said I am willing to try out a new desktop environment and I've seen some great examples of what can be done with XFCE. It was just the site of a Gnome2 like DE that brought back nightmares of Ubuntu 8.xx and 9.xx way back when I first*dabbled*in Linux OS's. (I haven't been around Linux long. Especially as a regular user as opposed to the occasional Live disk to see what's available "over the garden wall".)


Thanks for the info, now back to discussion topic. Any other good DE's to*recommend?
PS I've been using Ubuntu 12.04 for the past 4 weeks or so and discovered and replaced it with Ubuntu Studio a little over a week ago. About the same time I decided to upgrade my USB stick I use for Linux Distro's to USB3.0 Talk about a speed increase.



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* *1. Re: Hi folks. which is best desquetop to use with buntu

* * * (Azarel Howard)

* *2. Re: Hi folks. which is best desquetop to use with buntu

* * * (Mike Holstein)

* *3. Re: Hi folks. which is best desquetop to use with buntu (Rob)

* *4. Re: Hi folks. which is best desquetop to use with buntu

* * * (Mike Holstein)

* *5. Re: Hi folks. which is best desquetop to use with buntu

* * * (Andrew Huys)





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Message: 1

Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 21:42:44 +0000

From: Azarel Howard <azariah001@gmail.com>

To: "ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com"

* * * * <ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com>

Subject: Re: Hi folks. which is best desquetop to use with buntu

Message-ID: <4314793066144231486@unknownmsgid>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"



I?m going to put my neck out and say Unity. If you?re going to use the

Ubuntu name then.... don?t mess with the foundation more than is needed

especially the UI. Move the launcher to the bottom by all means but...

don?t roll back to Gnome2



I?ve been ?using? Ubuntu Studio for about a week now *(haven?t actually

used the software for recording or anything yet but I?ve started

customizing it and adding my personal software bits) Going back to the

Gnome2 interface from Pre-Ubuntu 10.04 was a disaster. It?s not logical

let?s put it this way. If you?re going to have a launcher the applications

should minimize to there not to the top of the screen! :|



Also the login screen needs to be able to detect when you've installed

other GUI?s cause Unity isn?t coming up as a login option.



Well that?s my 20c



Get the feeling I?m one of the minority that actually likes the new Unity

interface and dislikes Gnome but... we all have our own tastes.



azariah

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Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 18:15:39 -0400

From: Mike Holstein <mikeh789@gmail.com>

To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion

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Subject: Re: Hi folks. which is best desquetop to use with buntu

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On Sep 22, 2012 5:43 PM, "Azarel Howard" <azariah001@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> I?m going to put my neck out and say Unity. If you?re going to use the

Ubuntu name then.... don?t mess with the foundation more than is needed

especially the UI. Move the launcher to the bottom by all means but...

don?t roll back to Gnome2

>

> I?ve been ?using? Ubuntu Studio for about a week now *(haven?t actually

used the software for recording or anything yet but I?ve started

customizing it and adding my personal software bits) Going back to the

Gnome2 interface from Pre-Ubuntu 10.04 was a disaster. It?s not logical

let?s put it this way. If you?re going to have a launcher the applications

should minimize to there not to the top of the screen! :|

>

> Also the login screen needs to be able to detect when you've installed

other GUI?s cause Unity isn?t coming up as a login option.

>

> Well that?s my 20c

>

> Get the feeling I?m one of the minority that actually likes the new Unity

interface and dislikes Gnome but... we all have our own tastes.

>

> azariah



I think unity is fine. I don't think I'll ever use it personally, but I

have no problem suggesting its use, or supporting it. Ubuntustudio ships

with xfce. If you have been using unity, you have not been using

ubuntustudio. Back when both ubuntu and ubuntustudio both used gnome2, I

would routinely install ubuntu and add what I needed from the audio, video,

and graphics packages. As I stated before, this can still easily be done.

If one wants to run unity, you install ubuntu, and add what you want from

either the audio, video and/or graphics packages, or you can install

ubuntustudio, and from there install the ubuntu-desktop.



We chose xfce for a few reasons. The look and feel was more like that of

the older ubuntustudio gnome2 desktop, and the xubuntu team is just awesome

and so helpful.



There are lots of folks who use some ubuntu base, and take advantage of

either the ubuntustudio packages or metapackages. Users are welcome and

encouraged to do this. Kubuntu base users, xubuntu, lubuntu... custom

minimal versions or the main vanilla distro running unity.



The facts:

"Best" is a matter of opinion.

Ubuntustudio ships with xfce.

The studio packages work with all of them.

You can easily switch between them.

Unity is an option.



>

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From: Rob <lau@kudla.org>

To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion

* * * * <ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com>

Subject: Re: Hi folks. which is best desquetop to use with buntu

Message-ID: <505E3F12.2080605@kudla.org>

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On 09/22/2012 05:42 PM, Azarel Howard wrote:

> I?ve been ?using? Ubuntu Studio for about a week now *(haven?t actually

> used the software for recording or anything yet but I?ve started

> customizing it and adding my personal software bits) Going back to the

> Gnome2 interface from Pre-Ubuntu 10.04 was a disaster. It?s not logical



Ubuntu Studio currently uses XFCE, not any version of GNOME. Personally, I'm pretty grateful for that, having been running XFCE ever since the advent of Unity anyway. *But I keep my taskbar on the top, also grateful that it doesn't double as a launcher and even more so that it doesn't group all my Pidgin or Thunar windows into one entry like proprietary operating systems (and those who would imitate them) do.





Of course, there's no reason you can't apt-get install ubuntu-desktop if you'd rather pretend you're using an off-brand tablet.



Rob









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Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 18:59:00 -0400

From: Mike Holstein <mikeh789@gmail.com>

To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion

* * * * <ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com>

Subject: Re: Hi folks. which is best desquetop to use with buntu

Message-ID:

* * * * <CADmgLawDKTS7VcpZXqUzjh+S6Fv0QEAoDDLZUQJ-XtHzMeEwPA@mail.gmail.com>

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On Sep 22, 2012 6:43 PM, "Rob" <lau@kudla.org> wrote:

>

> On 09/22/2012 05:42 PM, Azarel Howard wrote:

> > I?ve been ?using? Ubuntu Studio for about a week now *(haven?t actually

> > used the software for recording or anything yet but I?ve started

> > customizing it and adding my personal software bits) Going back to the

> > Gnome2 interface from Pre-Ubuntu 10.04 was a disaster. It?s not logical

>

> Ubuntu Studio currently uses XFCE, not any version of GNOME. Personally,

I'm pretty grateful for that, having been running XFCE ever since the

advent of Unity anyway. *But I keep my taskbar on the top, also grateful

that it doesn't double as a launcher and even more so that it doesn't group

all my Pidgin or Thunar windows into one entry like proprietary operating

systems (and those who would imitate them) do.

>

> Of course, there's no reason you can't apt-get install ubuntu-desktop if

you'd rather pretend you're using an off-brand tablet.

>

> Rob

That reminds me.. since ubuntu is providing the most current version of

gnome (just like it always has) it is also easy to install gnome3 and use

it with the ubuntustudio packages... enjoy them all!

>

>

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Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 22:03:16 -0400

From: Andrew Huys <musiek.sparta.nc@gmail.com>

To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com

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On 9/22/12 5:42 PM, Azarel Howard wrote:

> I'm going to put my neck out and say Unity. If you're going to use the

> Ubuntu name then.... don't mess with the foundation more than is

> needed especially the UI. Move the launcher to the bottom by all

> means but... don't roll back to Gnome2

> I've been 'using' Ubuntu Studio for about a week now (haven't actually

> used the software for recording or anything yet but I've started

> customizing it and adding my personal software bits) Going back to the

> Gnome2 interface from Pre-Ubuntu 10.04 was a disaster. It's not

> logical let's put it this way. If you're going to have a launcher the

> applications should minimize to there not to the top of the screen! :|

> Also the login screen needs to be able to detect when you've installed

> other GUI's cause Unity isn't coming up as a login option.

> Well that's my 20c

> Get the feeling I'm one of the minority that actually likes the new

> Unity interface and dislikes Gnome but... we all have our own tastes.

> azariah

>

>

"If you're going to have a launcher the applications should minimize to

there not to the top of the screen! :|"



One of the advantages of XFCE is that it is highly customizable. *It is

possible to move the Window Buttons to the bottom of the screen. Check

out <http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09052012-121814pm.php#>



ANDHUYS

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