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Old 05-31-2012, 07:28 PM
 
Default 12.04 and RAID

Hi

I've had the US 12.04 ISO sat around on my machine for a little while
now and decided that the long weekend was a good time to upgrade.

I'm used to the text-based installer from the alternate ISOs of
yesteryear and previous US installs.

With the new graphical installer I can't see how to tell it to mount my
existing 3-disc RAID5 as /home -- the installer picks up the individual
discs but doesn't seem to recognise them as being a RAID.

What am I missing?

Thanks in advance

Q

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Old 05-31-2012, 07:33 PM
Mike Holstein
 
Default 12.04 and RAID

You can use an alternate and add the studio packages

On May 31, 2012 3:29 PM, <lists@quirq.ukfsn.org> wrote:


Hi



I've had the US 12.04 ISO sat around on my machine for a little while

now and decided that the long weekend was a good time to upgrade.



I'm used to the text-based installer from the alternate ISOs of

yesteryear and previous US installs.



With the new graphical installer I can't see how to tell it to mount my

existing 3-disc RAID5 as /home -- the installer picks up the individual

discs but doesn't seem to recognise them as being a RAID.



What am I missing?



Thanks in advance



Q



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Old 05-31-2012, 07:43 PM
 
Default 12.04 and RAID

I know that's an option but would prefer not to have to spend a whole
load more time downloading over a slow connection and burning another
disc, if at all possible. Plus I haven't always met with 100% success
in the past when installing US packages on a vanilla install.

Do you mean to say that the installer for US is totally incapable of
recognising RAIDs? If so, why the backward step with the installer and
why no warning of this in the release notes? It mentions "a wider range
of disk setup options" but doesn't actually mention what these are; I
would have thought RAID was a common enough option to be in there.

Thanks

Q

On 5/31/2012, "Mike Holstein" <mikeh789@gmail.com> wrote:

>You can use an alternate and add the studio packages
>On May 31, 2012 3:29 PM, <lists@quirq.ukfsn.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I've had the US 12.04 ISO sat around on my machine for a little while
>> now and decided that the long weekend was a good time to upgrade.
>>
>> I'm used to the text-based installer from the alternate ISOs of
>> yesteryear and previous US installs.
>>
>> With the new graphical installer I can't see how to tell it to mount my
>> existing 3-disc RAID5 as /home -- the installer picks up the individual
>> discs but doesn't seem to recognise them as being a RAID.
>>
>> What am I missing?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Q
>>
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:48 PM
Mike Holstein
 
Default 12.04 and RAID

Its arguable if going to a live cd is a step forward or back, but its the step that has been taken.. ideally, we will have both live and alternate.. would you like more information on how to help with the develpoment and maintenance of an alternate iso? As of now we are focusing on the live cd, and there is an arguably acceptable way to get what you need. Let us know if you need more assistance or have more constructive criticism.


On May 31, 2012 3:43 PM, <lists@quirq.ukfsn.org> wrote:


I know that's an option but would prefer not to have to spend a whole

load more time downloading over a slow connection and burning another

disc, if at all possible. Plus I haven't always met with 100% success

in the past when installing US packages on a vanilla install.



Do you mean to say that the installer for US is totally incapable of

recognising RAIDs? If so, why the backward step with the installer and

why no warning of this in the release notes? It mentions "a wider range

of disk setup options" but doesn't actually mention what these are; I

would have thought RAID was a common enough option to be in there.



Thanks



Q



On 5/31/2012, "Mike Holstein" <mikeh789@gmail.com> wrote:



>You can use an alternate and add the studio packages

>On May 31, 2012 3:29 PM, <lists@quirq.ukfsn.org> wrote:

>

>>

>> Hi

>>

>> I've had the US 12.04 ISO sat around on my machine for a little while

>> now and decided that the long weekend was a good time to upgrade.

>>

>> I'm used to the text-based installer from the alternate ISOs of

>> yesteryear and previous US installs.

>>

>> With the new graphical installer I can't see how to tell it to mount my

>> existing 3-disc RAID5 as /home -- the installer picks up the individual

>> discs but doesn't seem to recognise them as being a RAID.

>>

>> What am I missing?

>>

>> Thanks in advance

>>

>> Q

>>

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Old 05-31-2012, 08:08 PM
 
Default 12.04 and RAID

Okay, I understand and understand also that resources are limited and
that the ideal is sadly not possible. Uhfortunately this is something
I'm unable to help with.

You asked for constructive criticism. It would be helpful to communicate
more clearly and answer people's questions directly -- it would have
saved effort on both our parts if you had clearly answered, "What
you're missing is that it isn't possible from the LiveCD's installer.
You'll have to install vanilla Ubuntu from the alternate install and
install the US packages".

I knew that that was an option, but you could have made it clear that
that is the ONLY option. It's a common problem of not using five words
when they are necessary for clarity and two can confuse the situation
much more easily :-)

Sincerely, though, many thanks for your help. I'll download the alt
install and do something else for several hours.

Many thanks

Q

On 5/31/2012, "Mike Holstein" <mikeh789@gmail.com> wrote:

>Its arguable if going to a live cd is a step forward or back, but its the
>step that has been taken.. ideally, we will have both live and alternate..
>would you like more information on how to help with the develpoment and
>maintenance of an alternate iso? As of now we are focusing on the live cd,
>and there is an arguably acceptable way to get what you need. Let us know
>if you need more assistance or have more constructive criticism.
>On May 31, 2012 3:43 PM, <lists@quirq.ukfsn.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> I know that's an option but would prefer not to have to spend a whole
>> load more time downloading over a slow connection and burning another
>> disc, if at all possible. Plus I haven't always met with 100% success
>> in the past when installing US packages on a vanilla install.
>>
>> Do you mean to say that the installer for US is totally incapable of
>> recognising RAIDs? If so, why the backward step with the installer and
>> why no warning of this in the release notes? It mentions "a wider range
>> of disk setup options" but doesn't actually mention what these are; I
>> would have thought RAID was a common enough option to be in there.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Q
>>
>> On 5/31/2012, "Mike Holstein" <mikeh789@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >You can use an alternate and add the studio packages
>> >On May 31, 2012 3:29 PM, <lists@quirq.ukfsn.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Hi
>> >>
>> >> I've had the US 12.04 ISO sat around on my machine for a little while
>> >> now and decided that the long weekend was a good time to upgrade.
>> >>
>> >> I'm used to the text-based installer from the alternate ISOs of
>> >> yesteryear and previous US installs.
>> >>
>> >> With the new graphical installer I can't see how to tell it to mount my
>> >> existing 3-disc RAID5 as /home -- the installer picks up the individual
>> >> discs but doesn't seem to recognise them as being a RAID.
>> >>
>> >> What am I missing?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks in advance
>> >>
>> >> Q
>> >>
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Old 06-01-2012, 12:40 AM
Luke Yelavich
 
Default 12.04 and RAID

On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 05:48:33AM EST, Mike Holstein wrote:
> Its arguable if going to a live cd is a step forward or back, but its the
> step that has been taken.. ideally, we will have both live and alternate..
> would you like more information on how to help with the develpoment and
> maintenance of an alternate iso? As of now we are focusing on the live cd,
> and there is an arguably acceptable way to get what you need. Let us know
> if you need more assistance or have more constructive criticism.

Its worth noting that RAID/LVM install functionality is coming to ubiquity for 12.10, so the need for an alternate in the future is unlikely.

Luke

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Old 06-01-2012, 01:11 AM
Rick Green
 
Default 12.04 and RAID

On Thu, 31 May 2012, Mike Holstein wrote:



Its arguable if going to a live cd is a step forward or back, but its the step that has been taken.. ideally, we will
have both live and alternate..
Would it be possible to provide an alternate boot option on the 'live'
DVD image? There's already a 'live desktop', 'install', 'check image',
and 'memtest' option in the grub menu. There's plenty of room on the DVD.
What would it take? One more package (the text installer and related
tools), another initrd, and we could have 'easy graphical install' as well
as 'expert install' for those who want more choices.


I've also wondered if there's enough room on the DVD to include even
more packages, so that even the 'ubuntu flavor' would be an install-time
option. Imagine one DVD to install your choice of [Xu|Ku|Edu|U]buntu
(Studio). I remember spending the first hour when installing old redhat
and Suse distros, just reading the list of options and selecting the
packages to install. We've come a long way towards making it 'simpler',
maybe a bit too far. The DVD is less than half full, I thing there's room
for a few more choices in the install.


I do really appreciate that the current installer seems to do a check of
the online repositories early in the process, and grabs more-current
versions of packages in the background during the initial install. I had
very few updates to apply right after the install. I wonder if it
optimizes those background downloads by using rsync?


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Old 06-01-2012, 04:38 AM
Ralf Mardorf
 
Default 12.04 and RAID

On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 21:11 -0400, Rick Green wrote:
> I wonder if it optimizes those background downloads by using rsync?

I'm missing to set up PPPoE during installation, to be able to download
packages during installation. Serious, I can live without downloading
packages during installation. IMO we don't need this, whereas some
people might need brltty [1] instead of a GUI during installation.

- Ralf

[1] "BRLTTY is a background process (daemon) which provides access to
the Linux/Unix console (when in text mode) for a blind person using a
refreshable braille display. It drives the braille display, and provides
complete screen review functionality. Some speech capability has also
been incorporated." - http://mielke.cc/brltty/




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