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Old 11-09-2009, 10:04 PM
 
Default Ubuntu-Studio-users Digest, Vol 31, Issue 11

pls dont email me anymore Ive tried to get into ubuntu forums and cant and
ive also tried to ask for help and ive got none I will figure this out some
how but again YOU have been not help
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> 1. Re: Hardware & Software Recommendations? (Erik Rasmussen)
> 2. Re: Hardware & Software Recommendations? (Christopher Stamper)
> 3. Ubuntu Studio Testers team on Launchpad (Eric Hedekar)
> 4. Re: camrecorder DV and karmic (Eric Hedekar)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 12:55:17 -0600
> From: Erik Rasmussen <MailForErik@GMail.com>
> Subject: Re: Hardware & Software Recommendations?
> To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion
> <ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID:
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> Thanks so much for all the responses! Any thoughts on these comments?
>
> Need to work with full quality compressed files:
> Ardour seemed like the program I should learn to use, but I was rather put
> off by the lack of FLAC support and requirement to manually convert all
> files to WAVE using some other software. It also seemed like I randomly
> had
> trouble getting Ardour to capture or playback audio. Any tips?
> *
> *
> In producing a 30 minute radio broadcast program, I work with numerous
> audio
> files that are normally in excess of 1 hour in length. Full CD quality
> Wave
> files of this length consume a lot of hard drive space and with the volume
> of files that I need to record, capture and edit, it is simply not real
> practical to work in Wave files. FLAC serves very well in that you get
> full
> quality without the space consumption of Wave files.
>
> Sony Sound Forge and Sony Vegas Pro do something they call "proxy
> compressed
> files". So when you go to open a compressed file their software
> de-compresses it automatically, (without requiring the user to do so
> manually), and allows you to work with the file, and then when you save
> the
> software it will save back to the compressed format and automatically
> delete
> the "proxy file" when you close the application. It would be nice if
> Ardour
> could do something like that.
>
> I see that Daniel Worth said Ardour 2.8.3 can import and export FLAC
> files.
> Is that the version of Ardour that comes with Ubuntu Studio 9.10?
>
> *AUDACITY:*
> I want to like Audacity, but it seems very slow for me to save and a
> little
> cumbersome to navigate. As stated above, I'm generally working with large
> files and perhaps that's what slows down Audacity? When I started digital
> audio production I had to sacrifice lots of wait time while the software
> did
> it's saving. I hate to have to go back to long wait times again.
>
> Does anyone know of any tricks to make Audacity save large files faster,
> or
> are there any other alternative audio editing and mixing software programs
> anyone would recommend?
>
> I really appreciate the advice and tips from you all. This is my last
> important task which I need to migrate to Linux before I can dump my last
> Windows PC and run only on Linux.
>
> Thanks!
> -Erik
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 08:20, Hartmut Noack <zettberlin@linuxuse.de>
> wrote:
>
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>> Erik Rasmussen schrieb:
>> > Looking for Hardware and Software recommendations...
>> >
>> > *HARDWARE:*
>> >
>> > 1. If you build your own desktop computer and you plan to install
>> Ubuntu
>> > Studio to do broadcast audio and video production, what *motherboard
>> > *
>>
>> Any recent mid-price motherboard will do. If you buy a new one from the
>> shelf the older the better....
>>
>> > and
>> > *audio **card *do you recommend?
>>
>> Depending on budget:
>>
>> lowest: MAudio Audiophile (around Euro/USD 80,-) no other reasonable
>> card on the market works the same as smoothly.
>>
>> more: MAudio Delta (the same as the Audiophile yet with more analogue
>> channels)
>>
>> pro: RME Hammerfall DSP - unbeatable yet with around 500+ on ebay not
>> quite cheap.
>>
>>
>>
>> > 2. If you are about to purchase a *laptop *for audio and video
>> production
>> > and to use Ubuntu Studio, what laptop do you recommend?
>>
>> > *What Linux native software do you recommend
>> > for broadcast quality audio and video production?*
>>
>> Every software on Linux produces sound at the maximum quality level that
>> can be handled by the hardware.
>> There is no artificial limitation in terms of quality in free software
>> for Linux.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Brief list of *some *software features desired:
>> >
>> > 1. Can open, edit and save as FLAC audio files (without having to
>> > manually convert first).
>> > 2. Multi-track editing capabilities.
>> > 3. Very detailed graphical representation of waveform.
>> > 4. Fast to open and to save files.
>> > 5. Visual feedback of audio levels or graphical representation of
>> > waveform while recording and playback.
>> > 6. Able to gracefully handle and mix with audio files of varying
>> sample
>> > and bit rates.
>> >
>>
>> I also recommend Ardour but you have to accept, that you need to open
>> ("import") every file you want to use in Ardour. There is no
>> "rightklick/open with ardour" option in any filemanager. Ardour itself
>> knows only one fileformat, all external files you want to use are
>> converted with the import.
>> Thus Ardour can offer maximum performance/comfort and soundquality. And
>> ask whoever you want in the pro-audioscene: nobody will name a single
>> reason to actually work with compressed fileformats.
>>
>> Regarding movies: Ardour can be synched with the videoplayer xjadeo to
>> make it work for post-production. To cut/arrange movies in the first
>> place I recommend openmovieeditor - it is available for ubuntu studio
>> and works reliable and fast while it has everything one would use dayly
>> when working with final cut
>>
>> best regs
>>
>> HZN
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:39:55 -0500
> From: Christopher Stamper <christopherstamper@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Hardware & Software Recommendations?
> To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion
> <ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
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> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Erik Rasmussen
> <MailForErik@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Thanks so much for all the responses! Any thoughts on these comments?
>>
>> Need to work with full quality compressed files:
>> Ardour seemed like the program I should learn to use, but I was rather
>> put
>> off by the lack of FLAC support and requirement to manually convert all
>> files to WAVE using some other software. It also seemed like I randomly
>> had
>> trouble getting Ardour to capture or playback audio. Any tips?
>>
> In producing a 30 minute radio broadcast program, I work with numerous
> audio
>> files that are normally in excess of 1 hour in length. Full CD quality
>> Wave
>> files of this length consume a lot of hard drive space and with the
>> volume
>> of files that I need to record, capture and edit, it is simply not real
>> practical to work in Wave files. FLAC serves very well in that you get
>> full
>> quality without the space consumption of Wave files.
>>
>> Sony Sound Forge and Sony Vegas Pro do something they call "proxy
>> compressed files". So when you go to open a compressed file their
>> software
>> de-compresses it automatically, (without requiring the user to do so
>> manually), and allows you to work with the file, and then when you save
>> the
>> software it will save back to the compressed format and automatically
>> delete
>> the "proxy file" when you close the application. It would be nice if
>> Ardour
>> could do something like that.
>>
>
> Are you understanding the typical DAW workflow?
>
> Your project folder contains all the audio for the project, in whatever
> format the DAW (in this case Ardour) chooses to use. If you import
> existing
> audio to the project, such as a FLAC file, the DAW will copy and maybe
> convert the file automatically. There will now be a new file in the
> project
> folder. The file you imported can be deleted without effecting the
> project.
>
> You can record audio in the project, and files will automatically be
> created
> in the background.
>
> All audio in the project is represented as one or more regions. You can
> move
> these 'regions' around in the project, and merge or split them. It doesn't
> matter if they came from an external file, or if it was recorded from
> within
> the DAW software.
>
> When you are done, you export the project as a single track in whatever
> format you choose. This is how almost all 'pro audio' software works, so
> you
> might as well just get used to it. It really makes more sense than
> anything
> else.
>
> Note that through the entire process, you shouldn't have to worry about
> the
> files or file formats. Everything is done automatically. The exception
> obviously is importing/exporting.
>
>
>
>> I see that Daniel Worth said Ardour 2.8.3 can import and export FLAC
>> files.
>> Is that the version of Ardour that comes with Ubuntu Studio 9.10?
>>
>
> If not all you have to do is let it update (via update manager/apt).
>
>
> *AUDACITY:*
>> I want to like Audacity, but it seems very slow for me to save and a
>> little
>> cumbersome to navigate. As stated above, I'm generally working with
>> large
>> files and perhaps that's what slows down Audacity? When I started
>> digital
>> audio production I had to sacrifice lots of wait time while the software
>> did
>> it's saving. I hate to have to go back to long wait times again.
>>
>> Does anyone know of any tricks to make Audacity save large files faster,
>> or
>> are there any other alternative audio editing and mixing software
>> programs
>> anyone would recommend?
>>
>
> Audacity is *bad*. Really bad.
>
> Well, ok maybe it's not that bad. But I have no idea why you would want to
> use it for anything but a quick edit operation. Ardour can do everything
> it
> can, and more (except maybe mp3 exports ;-). Plus, Ardour is easier to
> use.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> --
> Christopher Stamper
>
> Email: christopherstamper@gmail.com
> Skype: cdstamper
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:53:26 -0800
> From: Eric Hedekar <afterthebeep@gmail.com>
> Subject: Ubuntu Studio Testers team on Launchpad
> To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion
> <ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com>, "Ubuntu Studio Development &
> Technical Discussion" <ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>,
> danielivanalvarez@gmail.com, Javier Pulido
> <javier@englishbaytechnologies.com>
> Message-ID:
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> Hi all,
>
> This is an announcement about a new community team dedicated to testing
> Ubuntu Studio. We'd love your participation in this community.
>
> It's clear that the testing portion of our development cycle needs more
> manpower, and it's also one of the areas that has a low barrier for entry
> for members. It's quite easy to test Ubuntu Studio provided you're
> comfortable running the development release and reporting bugs. This
> community will hopefully bring the people currently testing Ubuntu Studio
> together, encourage more people to join and test Ubuntu Studio, and as a
> result, make Ubuntu Studio rock solid. We really do need your help with
> this.
>
> As a start for this community, we've created a Launchpad team at
> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-testers complete with a mailing list
> at
> ubuntustudio-testers@lists.launchpad.net for the team to discuss anything
> and everything releated to testing Ubuntu Studio. Please join this
> launchpad team and subscribe yourself to the mailing list. As the
> community
> grows we will surely evolve to have more communication channels, but for
> now
> this is a great start.
>
> If you're confident enough to run the development release of Ubuntu Studio
> and report bugs you find, please sign up for this launchpad team.
>
> Thanks for your time.
>
> - Eric Hedekar
>
> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-testers
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:43:00 -0800
> From: Eric Hedekar <afterthebeep@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: camrecorder DV and karmic
> To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion
> <ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
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> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, laurent.bellegarde <
> laurent.bellegarde@free.fr> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> The lprod.org team is now testing hardly Ubuntu Studio Karmic before an
>> official presentation to the public, saturday, November 28 in Paris (1h
>> face to public, TV cameras, radios), in the sciences's city.
>>
>> The kernel RT and the music software are working fine, but we are
>> thinking there is a large trouble in UBS 9.10 with the DV connection to
>> a camrecorder DV.
>>
>> With severals camrecoders DV knowed to work in DV via a firewire card
>> integrated or another laptop with a firewire expresscard controller
>> under hardy UBS (production) and jaunty UBS for testing, we discover
>> that even after controls, editing system files, and groups/permissions
>> changes, it seems to be impossible to detect the camera. Dvgrab in
>> terminal still always says : no camera...
>>
>> Is there a major bug in karmic ?
>>
>> raw1394, ohci1394, ieee1394 have been probed and permissions controlled,
>> even video1394, and dv1394 (old and deprecated). Audio, video and disk
>> group have been probed too. None are working.
>>
>> Any "good "ideas" are welcomed !!!
>>
>> Bye,
>>
>> Laurent,
>> lprod.org
>> France
>>
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>
> Laurent
>
> What errors are you seeing? In /lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules do
> you see a line that contains "raw1394" ?
>
> - Eric Hedekar
> _______________________________________
> Vice President of Vancouver Pro Musica Society
> http://www.vancouverpromusica.ca
> Ubuntu Studio Developer
> http://www.ubuntustudio.org
> Web Designer & Audio Artist
> http://www.erichedekar.com
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