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Old 07-04-2008, 08:18 AM
David Fletcher
 
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At 02:58 04/07/2008, you wrote:
> >
>I read another response in this forum and it was suggested that Dragon
>Naturally Speaking 9 works good in Wine, the Windows emulator. I
>haven't as yet tried it, but I am going to. I used to use Naturally
>Speaking for all my word processing. It works super. The programs that
>I use using Wine work the same as they do on Microsoft OS's.
>
>Steven

I'll certainly be interested in seeing a result on this, but I'll
reiterate that its intended use is for writing a book. I'm told that
book publishers generally don't thank authors for submitting work as
word processor files of any sort, but are very happy indeed to
receive LaTeX files.

Having had a play with LaTeX over the last couple of weeks and found
out how to duplicate my standard letter writing layout with it, I've
found that the best editor so far is kate - it knows the LaTeX syntax
so it can run the spelling checker properly i.e. it makes no attempt
to spell check the formatting instructions.

So, if it's possible to run Dragon under Wine, with the dictated text
going into kate, that could be the way to go.

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Old 07-04-2008, 10:24 AM
"Ulrich Grn"
 
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2008/7/4 David Fletcher <kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net>:
<---->
> Having had a play with LaTeX over the last couple of weeks and found
> out how to duplicate my standard letter writing layout with it, I've
> found that the best editor so far is kate - it knows the LaTeX syntax
> so it can run the spelling checker properly i.e. it makes no attempt
> to spell check the formatting instructions.

I use the programme 'kile' for LaTeX. Kile is built on top of kate,
but specialised for LaTeX use.

I don't know Dragon, but it will have some output as ascii, which can
be copied into your favoured LaTeX editor. Only thing that has to be
done thereafter, is the insertion of the LaTeX commands.

Indeed, LaTeX is really great, once one is acquainted with its basics.
I use it for about 99% of my writings.

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Old 07-04-2008, 10:35 AM
Donn
 
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On the subject of LaTeX -- may I submit my vote for LyX, a very nifty editor
that takes most of the hard work out of just writing stuff. I dig it very
much and have not fired-up oo writer for almost a year now!


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Old 07-04-2008, 03:09 PM
Steven Vollom
 
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Derek Broughton wrote:
> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>
>
>> 2008/7/3 David Fletcher <kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net>:
>>
>>> I suspect this is a long shot:-
>>>
>>> Does anybody know of any speech recognition software that can be used
>>> with Kubuntu?
>>>
>>> I have an acquaintance who has never owned a computer, but wants to use
>>> one to write a book. He can be nudged in the direction of using Kubuntu
>>> and LaTeX I think, but he says he's not got time to type it. He wants to
>>> dictate it directly into the text editor.
>>>
>>> Does anybody know of any applications that can do this please? I've tried
>>> all the search strings I can think of in the Adept installer, and Google
>>> has turned up nothing for me.
>>>
>> He wants a secretary, not a computer. Speech recognition is used for
>> sending preconfigured commands to the computer, not for dictating
>> arbitrary text.
>>
>
> With current state of the art, it _should_ be possible to dictate reasonably
> arbitrary text, but I really can't see how anybody who can't take the time
> to _write_ a book, will ever get a book written.
>
>
>> For instance, while your friend might dictate one
>> character discussing a new display with another character, the reader
>> might be surprised to see the characters discussing a nudist play.
>>
>
> Right. Just like OCR, however accurate it is, you'll spend a lot of time
> fixing the transcription errors.
>
The new programs are so accurate that they almost never err.
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Old 07-04-2008, 05:23 PM
Nigel Henry
 
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On Thursday 03 July 2008 16:44, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > 2008/7/3 David Fletcher <kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net>:
> >> I suspect this is a long shot:-
> >>
> >> Does anybody know of any speech recognition software that can be used
> >> with Kubuntu?
> >>
> >> I have an acquaintance who has never owned a computer, but wants to use
> >> one to write a book. He can be nudged in the direction of using Kubuntu
> >> and LaTeX I think, but he says he's not got time to type it. He wants to
> >> dictate it directly into the text editor.
> >>
> >> Does anybody know of any applications that can do this please? I've
> >> tried all the search strings I can think of in the Adept installer, and
> >> Google has turned up nothing for me.
> >
> > He wants a secretary, not a computer. Speech recognition is used for
> > sending preconfigured commands to the computer, not for dictating
> > arbitrary text.
>
> With current state of the art, it _should_ be possible to dictate
> reasonably arbitrary text, but I really can't see how anybody who can't
> take the time to _write_ a book, will ever get a book written.
>
> > For instance, while your friend might dictate one
> > character discussing a new display with another character, the reader
> > might be surprised to see the characters discussing a nudist play.
>
> Right. Just like OCR, however accurate it is, you'll spend a lot of time
> fixing the transcription errors.
> --
> derek

I somehow that we're still a long way from getting accurate text from speech.
It works well on Star Trek, where you can have a conversion with the
computer, and Cap't Picard can submit his log. I remember one Star Trek film,
where they went back in time, and Scottie tried to talk to an ancient
computer, then realised that you had to type your request on a keyboard "of
all things".

Text to speech works ok, but there you have a synthesizer (or is that
synthesiser), which changes the text to speech. Words like "there", "their",
and "they're", all sound the same, but have different meanings, but from the
listeners viewpoint, the context tells you which is which.

Going the other way, speech to text, it's a whole different ballgame. Looking
at the example above, and assuming that everone spoke exactly the same way
(no problems with different dialects), the computer would still need to
understand the context of what was being dictated, so as to print "there",
"their", or "they're". of course when you bring different dialects into the
equation, it gets really complex.

The differences I've found, are usually with the pronunciation of vowels,
which can very often, at first, make it difficult to understand what someone
is saying, but you sort of get tuned in after a while, but we are humaan, and
not a computer.

In the UK there are some strong dialects, Geordie, Glaswegian (in scotland),
and many others. Looking at 2 examples from Wales, and Northern Ireland, the
word tongue in Wales is pronounced as tong, and the word film in Northern
Ireland is pronounced as filim, and the name of the actor who plays Chief
O'Brien in Star Trek, who's first name is Colm, is pronounced Colim.

At this point in time, I personally see a problem in computers converting
speech to text.

I recently listened to a broadcast on the BBC's world service "Digital
Planet", and Amtrak in the US seem to be using speech communication to a
computer to get info for train times, etc.

I recently had a problem with a parcel not being delivered in France, and
contacting Chronopost by telephone, was asked to speak my parcel reference No
into the machine. On the premise that you ask, so I do, I spoke each letter,
and number into the phone. Nothing. Then I'm asked to repeat the parcel
reference, which I do, but still nothing. To be fair, I'm English, and
perhaps the computer has some problem with my pronunciation. Now I appreciate
that this was direct communication by speech with another machine, but I
believe that accurate speech to text is going to take quite some time to
achieve.

Just some observations, and comments.

Nigel.














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Old 07-04-2008, 05:57 PM
Billie Walsh
 
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Nigel Henry wrote:
> On Thursday 03 July 2008 16:44, Derek Broughton wrote:
>
>> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>
>>> 2008/7/3 David Fletcher <kubuntu-users@thefletchers.net>:
>>>
>>>> I suspect this is a long shot:-
>>>>
>>>> Does anybody know of any speech recognition software that can be used
>>>> with Kubuntu?
>>>>
>>>> I have an acquaintance who has never owned a computer, but wants to use
>>>> one to write a book. He can be nudged in the direction of using Kubuntu
>>>> and LaTeX I think, but he says he's not got time to type it. He wants to
>>>> dictate it directly into the text editor.
>>>>
>>>> Does anybody know of any applications that can do this please? I've
>>>> tried all the search strings I can think of in the Adept installer, and
>>>> Google has turned up nothing for me.
>>>>
>>> He wants a secretary, not a computer. Speech recognition is used for
>>> sending preconfigured commands to the computer, not for dictating
>>> arbitrary text.
>>>
>> With current state of the art, it _should_ be possible to dictate
>> reasonably arbitrary text, but I really can't see how anybody who can't
>> take the time to _write_ a book, will ever get a book written.
>>
>>
>>> For instance, while your friend might dictate one
>>> character discussing a new display with another character, the reader
>>> might be surprised to see the characters discussing a nudist play.
>>>
>> Right. Just like OCR, however accurate it is, you'll spend a lot of time
>> fixing the transcription errors.
>> --
>> derek
>>
>
> I somehow that we're still a long way from getting accurate text from speech.
> It works well on Star Trek, where you can have a conversion with the
> computer, and Cap't Picard can submit his log. I remember one Star Trek film,
> where they went back in time, and Scottie tried to talk to an ancient
> computer, then realised that you had to type your request on a keyboard "of
> all things".
>
> Text to speech works ok, but there you have a synthesizer (or is that
> synthesiser), which changes the text to speech. Words like "there", "their",
> and "they're", all sound the same, but have different meanings, but from the
> listeners viewpoint, the context tells you which is which.
>
> Going the other way, speech to text, it's a whole different ballgame. Looking
> at the example above, and assuming that everone spoke exactly the same way
> (no problems with different dialects), the computer would still need to
> understand the context of what was being dictated, so as to print "there",
> "their", or "they're". of course when you bring different dialects into the
> equation, it gets really complex.
>
> The differences I've found, are usually with the pronunciation of vowels,
> which can very often, at first, make it difficult to understand what someone
> is saying, but you sort of get tuned in after a while, but we are humaan, and
> not a computer.
>
> In the UK there are some strong dialects, Geordie, Glaswegian (in scotland),
> and many others. Looking at 2 examples from Wales, and Northern Ireland, the
> word tongue in Wales is pronounced as tong, and the word film in Northern
> Ireland is pronounced as filim, and the name of the actor who plays Chief
> O'Brien in Star Trek, who's first name is Colm, is pronounced Colim.
>
> At this point in time, I personally see a problem in computers converting
> speech to text.
>
> I recently listened to a broadcast on the BBC's world service "Digital
> Planet", and Amtrak in the US seem to be using speech communication to a
> computer to get info for train times, etc.
>
> I recently had a problem with a parcel not being delivered in France, and
> contacting Chronopost by telephone, was asked to speak my parcel reference No
> into the machine. On the premise that you ask, so I do, I spoke each letter,
> and number into the phone. Nothing. Then I'm asked to repeat the parcel
> reference, which I do, but still nothing. To be fair, I'm English, and
> perhaps the computer has some problem with my pronunciation. Now I appreciate
> that this was direct communication by speech with another machine, but I
> believe that accurate speech to text is going to take quite some time to
> achieve.
>
> Just some observations, and comments.
>
> Nigel.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Please excuse the lack of <snip>'s. I just couldn't decide where to
<snip> to reply.

A few years ago I watched a demo of speech recognition software. I don't
remember which one. There was a very nice looking young lady with a
headset mic on speaking to the audience and the computer behind her. In
about 99.9% of the time the computer got every word perfectly. When it
made a mistake she simply told the software t go back and corrected it.
I was thoroughly impressed.

On the flip side of this thing. She spent weeks training the software
how she spoke, and learning how to work the software for the demo. For
her it would work with virtually no hiccups. If someone else took the
mic about all they would get is garbage. Every word had to be spoken in
just a certain way by one persons voice. Plus it was a planned script
that he was using. On the surface it looked fantastic. But when you
started digging into the nuts and bolt it sort of fell apart.

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Old 07-04-2008, 05:58 PM
"Dotan Cohen"
 
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2008/7/4 Nigel Henry <cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr>:
> I somehow that we're still a long way from getting accurate text from speech.
> It works well on Star Trek, where you can have a conversion with the
> computer, and Cap't Picard can submit his log. I remember one Star Trek film,
> where they went back in time, and Scottie tried to talk to an ancient
> computer, then realised that you had to type your request on a keyboard "of
> all things".
>
> Text to speech works ok, but there you have a synthesizer (or is that
> synthesiser), which changes the text to speech. Words like "there", "their",
> and "they're", all sound the same, but have different meanings, but from the
> listeners viewpoint, the context tells you which is which.
>
> Going the other way, speech to text, it's a whole different ballgame. Looking
> at the example above, and assuming that everone spoke exactly the same way
> (no problems with different dialects), the computer would still need to
> understand the context of what was being dictated, so as to print "there",
> "their", or "they're". of course when you bring different dialects into the
> equation, it gets really complex.
>
> The differences I've found, are usually with the pronunciation of vowels,
> which can very often, at first, make it difficult to understand what someone
> is saying, but you sort of get tuned in after a while, but we are humaan, and
> not a computer.
>
> In the UK there are some strong dialects, Geordie, Glaswegian (in scotland),
> and many others. Looking at 2 examples from Wales, and Northern Ireland, the
> word tongue in Wales is pronounced as tong, and the word film in Northern
> Ireland is pronounced as filim, and the name of the actor who plays Chief
> O'Brien in Star Trek, who's first name is Colm, is pronounced Colim.
>
> At this point in time, I personally see a problem in computers converting
> speech to text.
>
> I recently listened to a broadcast on the BBC's world service "Digital
> Planet", and Amtrak in the US seem to be using speech communication to a
> computer to get info for train times, etc.
>
> I recently had a problem with a parcel not being delivered in France, and
> contacting Chronopost by telephone, was asked to speak my parcel reference No
> into the machine. On the premise that you ask, so I do, I spoke each letter,
> and number into the phone. Nothing. Then I'm asked to repeat the parcel
> reference, which I do, but still nothing. To be fair, I'm English, and
> perhaps the computer has some problem with my pronunciation. Now I appreciate
> that this was direct communication by speech with another machine, but I
> believe that accurate speech to text is going to take quite some time to
> achieve.
>
> Just some observations, and comments.
>
> Nigel.
>
>

Nigel, you should definetly see this (requires flash):
http://www.nuance.com/talk/

Dotan Cohen

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Old 07-04-2008, 06:02 PM
Derek Broughton
 
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Steven Vollom wrote:

> Derek Broughton wrote:

>> Right. Just like OCR, however accurate it is, you'll spend a lot of time
>> fixing the transcription errors.
>>
> The new programs are so accurate that they almost never err.

Almost never? I'd consider a 98% accuracy rate to qualify as "almost
never" - but that means you have to make a half dozen corrections on every
page. That's a lot of work.
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Old 07-04-2008, 06:06 PM
Derek Broughton
 
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Nigel Henry wrote:

> Looking at the example above, and assuming that everone spoke exactly the
> same way (no problems with different dialects), the computer would still
> need to understand the context of what was being dictated, so as to print
> "there", "their", or "they're". of course when you bring different
> dialects into the equation, it gets really complex.

There are two ways to do speech recognition, though. The generic way is a
long way from identifying dialects and accents, but the other method allows
individual users to train the program. That should have little trouble
with one person dictating a book, but often fails if you get a cold! In
either case, homonyms are going to be difficult.

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Old 07-04-2008, 07:16 PM
Pastor JW
 
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On Friday 04 July 2008 10:23:46 am Nigel Henry wrote:
> Going the other way, speech to text, it's a whole different ballgame.
> Looking at the example above, and assuming that everone spoke exactly the
> same way (no problems with different dialects), the computer would still
> need to understand the context of what was being dictated, so as to print
> "there", "their", or "they're". of course when you bring different dialects
> into the equation, it gets really complex.

Even so I'd bet it would win in guessing proper context over most of the
people's writting I have seen on maillists!! A good friend of mine bought
one of the programs that was supposed to write out what he said as he is a
rather poor typist. In six months worth of work he became a MUCH better
typist from correcting the mistakes of the program! Anyway, he now no longer
uses the program. Besides, it would likely not work anymore with Vista. Not
to worry though as his printer no longer works under Vista anyway!

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