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Old 06-02-2008, 12:00 PM
Matt Darcy
 
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James Dinkel wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Martin Hess <martinhess@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Given that KVM is the preferred virtualization solution and that we have
>> Virtual Machine Manager to manage a single instance, is there an chance we
>> will be seeing oVirt anytime soon?
>> http://ovirt.org/
>>
>
> Nice find. I like this. I've been keeping my eye on a similar
> project called Enomalism ( http://www.enomalism.com/ ), but ovirt
> looks tantilizing in several ways over Enomalism:
> 1) it's backed by a more reputable company
> 2) the interface looks "cleaner"
> 3) it uses Rails ( Ruby is the only programming language I know well )
>
> I've been sticking with VMWare Server for now, because I really need a
> full-featured gui tool to manage my virtual machines remotely. In
> most cases I am very comfortable with command line, but what can I
> say, VMWare has made me lazy in regards to virtual machine management.
>
> James
>

This is the first time I've seen ovirt, and it looks a great tool and
would potentially meet my personal needs.

Virtualization managment across a machine is great, however across
multiple servers from a central point, that is a great step forward.

I'd love to see this sort of tool investigated and pushed forward at
some level.

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Old 06-12-2008, 12:54 AM
Soren Hansen
 
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On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 11:37:35AM -0700, Martin Hess wrote:
> Given that KVM is the preferred virtualization solution and that we have
> Virtual Machine Manager to manage a single instance, is there an chance
> we will be seeing oVirt anytime soon?
>
> http://ovirt.org/

oVirt has a rather large dependency stack, which makes packaging it a
rather large task. I'm aware of the project, but it's not very high on
my personal roadmap at this moment.

> While I'm wishing for the moon I may as well as ask for Cobbler:
>
> http://cobbler.et.redhat.com/

I'm currently working on Cobbler. I've been caught up in travels and
such, but it should land in Intrepid within a few weeks, I'd say.

> Both of these projects are part(?) sponsored by RedHat as an "Emerging
> Technology Project", whatever that means.

I believe Emerging Technologies was a division of Red Hat working on
various new stuff, mostly related to virtualisation. I believe it no
longer exists as a division in Red Hat, but the name is still around
because users still use it.

> There brethren are:

> Augeas - A configuration editing tool and API

Have not really looked into it.

> libvirt - The open source virtualization API

We already have this.

> Cobbler - OS provisioning and profile management

> FreeIPA - Identity, policy and audit management

FreeIPA has an absolutely horrendous dependency stack. I at least will
not have time to maintain it. Someone else might?

> Virtual Machine Manager - Virtualization management from the

We have this already as well

> Func - A secure, scriptable remote control framework & API

I've not looked at func either.

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Old 06-12-2008, 01:16 AM
"Nicolas Valcarcel"
 
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Thanks for all the projects listed, i'm taking a look and working on augeas for a project i have for ubuntu, so you may will see it land in intrepid, i also find very interesting Func, so i'm taking notes and will take a further look later on, if you want to work on some of this please feel free to contact me, i'm trying to work on a centralized managment console for servers. Thanks again!



On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Soren Hansen <soren@ubuntu.com> wrote:


On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 11:37:35AM -0700, Martin Hess wrote:
> Given that KVM is the preferred virtualization solution and that we have
> Virtual Machine Manager to manage a single instance, is there an chance

> we will be seeing oVirt anytime soon?
>
> http://ovirt.org/

oVirt has a rather large dependency stack, which makes packaging it a
rather large task. I'm aware of the project, but it's not very high on

my personal roadmap at this moment.


> While I'm wishing for the moon I may as well as ask for Cobbler:
>
> http://cobbler.et.redhat.com/

I'm currently working on Cobbler. I've been caught up in travels and

such, but it should land in Intrepid within a few weeks, I'd say.


> Both of these projects are part(?) sponsored by RedHat as an "Emerging
> Technology Project", whatever that means.

I believe Emerging Technologies was a division of Red Hat working on

various new stuff, mostly related to virtualisation. I believe it no
longer exists as a division in Red Hat, but the name is still around
because users still use it.


> There brethren are:

> Augeas - A configuration editing tool and API

Have not really looked into it.


> libvirt - The open source virtualization API

We already have this.


> Cobbler - OS provisioning and profile management


> FreeIPA - Identity, policy and audit management

FreeIPA has an absolutely horrendous dependency stack. I at least will
not have time to maintain it. Someone else might?


> Virtual Machine Manager - Virtualization management from the

We have this already as well


> Func - A secure, scriptable remote control framework & API

I've not looked at func either.

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Old 06-12-2008, 01:21 AM
"Nicolas Valcarcel"
 
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Thanks for all the projects listed, i'm taking a look and working on augeas for a project i have for ubuntu, so you may will see it land in intrepid, i also find very interesting Func, so i'm taking notes and will take a further look later on, if you want to work on some of this please feel free to contact me, i'm trying to work on a centralized managment console for servers. Thanks again!



On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Nicolas Valcarcel <nvalcarcel@ubuntu-pe.org> wrote:

Thanks for all the projects listed, i'm taking a look and working on augeas for a project i have for ubuntu, so you may will see it land in intrepid, i also find very interesting Func, so i'm taking notes and will take a further look later on, if you want to work on some of this please feel free to contact me, i'm trying to work on a centralized managment console for servers. Thanks again!






On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Soren Hansen <soren@ubuntu.com> wrote:





On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 11:37:35AM -0700, Martin Hess wrote:
> Given that KVM is the preferred virtualization solution and that we have
> Virtual Machine Manager to manage a single instance, is there an chance

> we will be seeing oVirt anytime soon?
>
> http://ovirt.org/

oVirt has a rather large dependency stack, which makes packaging it a
rather large task. I'm aware of the project, but it's not very high on

my personal roadmap at this moment.


> While I'm wishing for the moon I may as well as ask for Cobbler:
>
> http://cobbler.et.redhat.com/

I'm currently working on Cobbler. I've been caught up in travels and

such, but it should land in Intrepid within a few weeks, I'd say.


> Both of these projects are part(?) sponsored by RedHat as an "Emerging
> Technology Project", whatever that means.

I believe Emerging Technologies was a division of Red Hat working on

various new stuff, mostly related to virtualisation. I believe it no
longer exists as a division in Red Hat, but the name is still around
because users still use it.


> There brethren are:

> Augeas - A configuration editing tool and API

Have not really looked into it.


> libvirt - The open source virtualization API

We already have this.


> Cobbler - OS provisioning and profile management


> FreeIPA - Identity, policy and audit management

FreeIPA has an absolutely horrendous dependency stack. I at least will
not have time to maintain it. Someone else might?


> Virtual Machine Manager - Virtualization management from the

We have this already as well


> Func - A secure, scriptable remote control framework & API

I've not looked at func either.

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Old 06-12-2008, 12:47 PM
"Luke L"
 
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Soren and others,

oVirt or Enomalism as a remote VM manager would be absolutely fantastic.

Currently, oVirt is set up so that you put it on its own guest VM,
though "Brazen" (Dinkel?) says it will not always be so.

Enomalism is written in Python and uses MySQL for something, I don't
know EXACTLY what. oVirt uses Ruby on Rails.

Beyond dependencies, features need to be compared. For example, Will
migration/load balancing be available in these software packages?
"Beholder" on #enomalism implied that oVirt and "E" have similar but
different goals. We'll have to see.

In any case, getting a graphical VM manager would be a great thing to
have integrated with Ubuntu. I know E has a .deb package on their
site, so it might not be hard to get them put in the repos.

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Old 06-12-2008, 09:45 PM
Soren Hansen
 
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On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 07:47:55AM -0500, Luke L wrote:
> In any case, getting a graphical VM manager would be a great thing to
> have integrated with Ubuntu. I know E has a .deb package on their
> site, so it might not be hard to get them put in the repos.

We do already have virt-manager, which can also manage remote
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Old 06-13-2008, 03:54 AM
"Luke L"
 
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> We do already have virt-manager, which can also manage remote
> hypervisors.

I just saw this as I emailed you, Soren.

I'll be studying virt-manager as well.

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Old 06-13-2008, 05:06 AM
"James Dinkel"
 
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On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Soren Hansen <soren@ubuntu.com> wrote:
>
> We do already have virt-manager, which can also manage remote
> hypervisors.
>
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Except, last I knew, virt-manager can not create virtual machines on
remote hosts (yet). It's also very weak on features, such as, IIRC,
doing migrations - which is understandable, given how new it is.

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Old 06-13-2008, 05:09 AM
"James Dinkel"
 
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Sorry if this is a repost, but I'm pretty sure I oops'd and replied it
directly to Luke:

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:47 AM, Luke L <lukehasnoname@gmail.com> wrote:
> Soren and others,
>
> oVirt or Enomalism as a remote VM manager would be absolutely fantastic.
>
> Currently, oVirt is set up so that you put it on its own guest VM,
> though "Brazen" (Dinkel?) says it will not always be so.
>
>

Yeah, now I said that I didn't think oVirt would always be in a guest
vm, but now looking over the documentation I can't find what gave me
that impression. On the FAQ page here: http://ovirt.org/faq.html it
only talks about getting the vm image, and if you click on the
installation instructions, it only tells you how to set it up in a vm.

So maybe it does run in a guest vm, but that really shouldn't be a
problem. If want it on a dedicated piece of hardware (similar to
Virtual Center) then just have that be the only vm on that machine and
have it manage other machines. Otherwise, some people will not want
to have to dedicate hardware hardware just for oVirt, so they can run
it in a vm along with the rest of their virtual servers.

So really after thinking about this, I don't see why you couldn't just
install the same software stack on bare metal, but maybe the oVirt
developers think keeping it in a vm is the best way to go. Or, then,
maybe it really is just intended to use a vm during the development
phase.

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Old 06-13-2008, 05:59 AM
ahsiang
 
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Hi,

I havent study much on oVirt, but it is safe implement it in VM mode?
How about if that physical machine down? oVirt can still perform
automate load-balance or migration? Personally for me, it is single
point of failure in the infrastructure if deploy oVirt in VM.

Thanks.

On 6/13/08, James Dinkel <jdinkel@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry if this is a repost, but I'm pretty sure I oops'd and replied it
> directly to Luke:
>
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:47 AM, Luke L <lukehasnoname@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Soren and others,
>>
>> oVirt or Enomalism as a remote VM manager would be absolutely fantastic.
>>
>> Currently, oVirt is set up so that you put it on its own guest VM,
>> though "Brazen" (Dinkel?) says it will not always be so.
>>
>>
>
> Yeah, now I said that I didn't think oVirt would always be in a guest
> vm, but now looking over the documentation I can't find what gave me
> that impression. On the FAQ page here: http://ovirt.org/faq.html it
> only talks about getting the vm image, and if you click on the
> installation instructions, it only tells you how to set it up in a vm.
>
> So maybe it does run in a guest vm, but that really shouldn't be a
> problem. If want it on a dedicated piece of hardware (similar to
> Virtual Center) then just have that be the only vm on that machine and
> have it manage other machines. Otherwise, some people will not want
> to have to dedicate hardware hardware just for oVirt, so they can run
> it in a vm along with the rest of their virtual servers.
>
> So really after thinking about this, I don't see why you couldn't just
> install the same software stack on bare metal, but maybe the oVirt
> developers think keeping it in a vm is the best way to go. Or, then,
> maybe it really is just intended to use a vm during the development
> phase.
>
> James Dinkel (Brazen)
>
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