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Old 02-16-2012, 08:03 AM
Nicholas Bamber
Default MySQL's future in Debian and Ubuntu

I have been following this thead with interest and as it happens I have
been seeking to get more involved in Debian mysql. I emailed Norbert
Tretkowski though I did not get a reply. However I am not seeing my view
represented here.

First of all it may well be that MariaDB is better and has a more secure
future in the open source world than MySQL, and that therefore it should
be available in Debian.

But there are a number of reasons why I think MySQL should not be dropped.

1.) MySQL has brand recognition.

2.) Dropping MySQL would create fear and confusion in users of Debian
and users of downstream distributions.

3.) MariaDB will from time to time fall behind MySQL.

4.) MySQL will continue to be around for the forseeable future and its
core at least will be available on terms that technically are
packageable for Debian.

Furthermore I suggest that the cost and effort of one team maintaining
MySQL and MariaDB is a lot less than two separate teams maintaining both
since MariaDB could often be mined as a source of patches.

On 16/02/12 07:40, Henrik Ingo wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Bjoern Boschman <bjoern@boschman.de> wrote:
>> On 16.02.2012 00:57, Henrik Ingo wrote:
>>> Percona Server is like MariaDB in that both of them are compatible
>>> with MySQL and you could do a plug-and-play replacement. Percona
>>> Server is much closer to MySQL (which many think is great), shall
>>> I say more focused. MariaDB has more deviation in the code base and
>>> also adds more stuff like additional storage engines (which many
>>> think is great, especially when you want to play with new
>>> features).
>> The additional storage engine also applies to percona :-)
> Ok, fair point, but MariaDB really goes out of its way to have lots of
> them: PBXT, OQGraph engine, Sphinx, Aria... You won't find these
> (unless you contract Percona to provide them for you) in Percona
> Server. These are not that commonly used but more niche. But they are
> the reason I commonly label MariaDB as "has more stuff".
> henrik

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Old 02-17-2012, 12:45 PM
Axel Schwenke
Default MySQL's future in Debian and Ubuntu

Henrik Ingo wrote:
> For completeness, let me also defend Oracle for a change :-) There's
> also the 3rd option:
> * Stay with MySQL and blindly apply the updates that Oracle continues
> to release as GPL.


> But to put things in context, in MySQL 5.0 series the situation was
> the opposite: The bugs were public but the publicly released and GPL
> licensed bug fixes would be up to 6 months delayd in favor of paying
> customers getting them instantly. In some ways, the current situation
> is still better than back then.

This is a very weird statement. Oracle does not release GPL versions more
often than MySQL AB did. In fact Oracle does not make any promise to ever
produce GPL bugfix releases. It's completely at their discretion.

But contrary to MySQL AB, Oracle

- does not have a public bug tracking system where one could find a
description of the bug

- does not publish patches alongside with the bug reports

- does not feed patches to publicly available source code trees in a timely

For projects like Debian that build their own binaries and are not dependent
on complete releases (but rather a stream of patches) the current situation
with Oracle is clearly a step back.


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