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Peter Matulis 11-18-2011 03:43 PM

Ubuntu Server Guide - weak areas and missing pieces
On 11-11-18 11:13 AM, Hugo Serrano wrote:
> On 18-11-2011 15:59, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>> On 11/18/2011 10:49 AM, Peter Matulis wrote:
>>> On 11-11-18 10:38 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>>>> On 11/18/2011 10:19 AM, Peter Matulis wrote:
>>>>> Secondly, and I vaguely remember a discussion about this on a mailing
>>>>> list, I'm not sure we should be including Eucalyptus docs in the Guide
>>>>> anymore as Openstack is quickly becoming the dominant force for the
>>>>> cloud on Ubuntu. People can obviously continue to use the older
>>>>> release
>>>>> Server Guides. Comments?
>>>> The thing that I think is important is to document the upgrade path for
>>>> 10.04 -> 12.04 UEC users from an Ubuntu specific UEC configuration
>>>> to an
>>>> upstream (consult the upstream docs) Eucalyptus configuration. That
>>>> may
>>>> be as simple as explaining UEC is dead so just know when you upgrade
>>>> it'll work but it's no longer called UEC or something more complex.
>>> I don't feel the Guide is the place to document upgrade paths& issues.
>>> Isn't that something that is traditionally reserved for Release Notes?
>>> Also, is it natural for us to expect people to read the new Guide
>>> before upgrading? Just my thoughts.

>> I think this is a bit of a special case since the product in question
>> went away in the mean time.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'went away'; Eucalyptus will still be in
the repositories. So far it doesn't look like there will be much of an

eucalyptus | 2.0.1+bzr1256-0ubuntu8 | oneiric/universe | source
eucalyptus | 2.0.1+bzr1256-0ubuntu8 | precise/universe | source

>> If they do look ahead in the server guide
>> then having it just vanish as a topic doesn't seem right.

I guess it depends on what we want the Guide to be.

>> There should be something in the release notes too.
>> Scott K
> I agree with Peter, but also agree with Scott. Probably a note with all
> the software that it won't be supported any more.

If by 'not supported' you mean not supported by the security team due to
it not being in 'main' then be aware that there are already topics
covered in the Guide that are not supported (ex: phpmyadmin, mediawiki,

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Paul Graydon 11-18-2011 05:48 PM

Ubuntu Server Guide - weak areas and missing pieces
On 11/18/2011 05:19 AM, Peter Matulis wrote:

Hi everyone.

For this important LTS cycle I wanted to get some fresh ideas concerning
the Ubuntu Server Guide [1]. In particular, right now it would be great
if people could give their thoughts on:

1. What parts of the Guide need more attention (weak areas)

I've got some enhancements I'm in the process of making to the MySQL
section, a bit more into engine choices and a few other things. I'm not
that knowledgeable about postgres and there may be some value in someone
who is giving it a once over as well.


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