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Old 07-19-2010, 12:45 PM
Mathias Gug
 
Default Review packages included in the ubuntu-server package set

Hi,

As part of the archive reorganization [1] the ubuntu-server package set
has been created and populated from the Ubuntu seeds. There are 279
packages currently included in it.

[1]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveReorganisation

I'd like to get your input on whether each package should be included in
the ubuntu-server package set. The list of packages is available for
review on the Ubuntu Server Package Set review site [2]. Leave a comment
there for each packages that shouldn't be part of the ubuntu-server
package set.

[2]: http://ubuntuserverpkgsetreview.appspot.com/

Thanks,

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Old 07-19-2010, 12:52 PM
Scott Kitterman
 
Default Review packages included in the ubuntu-server package set

On Monday, July 19, 2010 08:45:08 am Mathias Gug wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As part of the archive reorganization [1] the ubuntu-server package set
> has been created and populated from the Ubuntu seeds. There are 279
> packages currently included in it.
>
> [1]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveReorganisation
>
> I'd like to get your input on whether each package should be included in
> the ubuntu-server package set. The list of packages is available for
> review on the Ubuntu Server Package Set review site [2]. Leave a comment
> there for each packages that shouldn't be part of the ubuntu-server
> package set.
>
> [2]: http://ubuntuserverpkgsetreview.appspot.com/

Is there not some tool we could use for this that does not require me to
create yet another logon somewhere?

Scott K

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Old 07-19-2010, 01:02 PM
Mathias Gug
 
Default Review packages included in the ubuntu-server package set

Hi Scott,

Excerpts from Scott Kitterman's message of Mon Jul 19 14:52:15 +0200 2010:
> On Monday, July 19, 2010 08:45:08 am Mathias Gug wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > As part of the archive reorganization [1] the ubuntu-server package set
> > has been created and populated from the Ubuntu seeds. There are 279
> > packages currently included in it.
> >
> > [1]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveReorganisation
> >
> > I'd like to get your input on whether each package should be included in
> > the ubuntu-server package set. The list of packages is available for
> > review on the Ubuntu Server Package Set review site [2]. Leave a comment
> > there for each packages that shouldn't be part of the ubuntu-server
> > package set.
> >
> > [2]: http://ubuntuserverpkgsetreview.appspot.com/
>
> Is there not some tool we could use for this that does not require me to
> create yet another logon somewhere?
>

AFAICT you don't need to create a new account. You can use your
Launchpad openid to login and leave a comment.

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Old 07-19-2010, 01:05 PM
Scott Kitterman
 
Default Review packages included in the ubuntu-server package set

On Monday, July 19, 2010 09:02:23 am Mathias Gug wrote:
> Hi Scott,
>
> Excerpts from Scott Kitterman's message of Mon Jul 19 14:52:15 +0200 2010:
> > On Monday, July 19, 2010 08:45:08 am Mathias Gug wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > As part of the archive reorganization [1] the ubuntu-server package set
> > > has been created and populated from the Ubuntu seeds. There are 279
> > > packages currently included in it.
> > >
> > > [1]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveReorganisation
> > >
> > > I'd like to get your input on whether each package should be included
> > > in the ubuntu-server package set. The list of packages is available
> > > for review on the Ubuntu Server Package Set review site [2]. Leave a
> > > comment there for each packages that shouldn't be part of the
> > > ubuntu-server package set.
> > >
> > > [2]: http://ubuntuserverpkgsetreview.appspot.com/
> >
> > Is there not some tool we could use for this that does not require me to
> > create yet another logon somewhere?
>
> AFAICT you don't need to create a new account. You can use your
> Launchpad openid to login and leave a comment.

I'm not crazy enough to enter the password for a archive-admin enabled LP
account into a web form that I've been redirected to via an untrusted third
party.

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Old 07-19-2010, 01:09 PM
Scott Kitterman
 
Default Review packages included in the ubuntu-server package set

On Monday, July 19, 2010 09:02:23 am Mathias Gug wrote:
> Hi Scott,
>
> Excerpts from Scott Kitterman's message of Mon Jul 19 14:52:15 +0200 2010:
> > On Monday, July 19, 2010 08:45:08 am Mathias Gug wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > As part of the archive reorganization [1] the ubuntu-server package set
> > > has been created and populated from the Ubuntu seeds. There are 279
> > > packages currently included in it.
> > >
> > > [1]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveReorganisation
> > >
> > > I'd like to get your input on whether each package should be included
> > > in the ubuntu-server package set. The list of packages is available
> > > for review on the Ubuntu Server Package Set review site [2]. Leave a
> > > comment there for each packages that shouldn't be part of the
> > > ubuntu-server package set.
> > >
> > > [2]: http://ubuntuserverpkgsetreview.appspot.com/
> >
> > Is there not some tool we could use for this that does not require me to
> > create yet another logon somewhere?
>
> AFAICT you don't need to create a new account. You can use your
> Launchpad openid to login and leave a comment.

In any case, the list needs some serious review. I'm reasonably certain Gimp
shouldn't be on the list (that being just the most glaring example).

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Old 07-19-2010, 01:19 PM
Clint Byrum
 
Default Review packages included in the ubuntu-server package set

On Jul 19, 2010, at 6:05 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote:

> On Monday, July 19, 2010 09:02:23 am Mathias Gug wrote:
>> Hi Scott,


>>
>> AFAICT you don't need to create a new account. You can use your
>> Launchpad openid to login and leave a comment.
>
> I'm not crazy enough to enter the password for a archive-admin enabled LP
> account into a web form that I've been redirected to via an untrusted third
> party.


Scott, your concern is warranted, and really we should all definitely be extra careful with our login details.

To avoid being redirected to a malicious server by disqus, you can login to Launchpad directly from Launchpad, without ever being redirected. Then when setting up your DISQUS account to comment on these packages, you will just be redirected to a page that has a "yes sign me in" button, rather than a login form.


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Old 07-19-2010, 02:03 PM
"Michael Zoet"
 
Default Review packages included in the ubuntu-server package set

Am Mo, 19.07.2010, 15:09 schrieb Scott Kitterman:
> On Monday, July 19, 2010 09:02:23 am Mathias Gug wrote:

...

>> > > has been created and populated from the Ubuntu seeds. There are 279
>> > > packages currently included in it.
>> > >
>> > > [1]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveReorganisation
>> > >

...

>> > > Leave a
>> > > comment there for each packages that shouldn't be part of the
>> > > ubuntu-server package set.
>> > >
>> > > [2]: http://ubuntuserverpkgsetreview.appspot.com/
>> >

...

> In any case, the list needs some serious review. I'm reasonably certain
> Gimp
> shouldn't be on the list (that being just the most glaring example).
>

I was wondering what this list really means! Are these packages for the
server CD? Or are these packages part of a server related package list?
Sorry for these basic questions but I think I'm not the only one wondering
about it.

For example: mailman is an important server package but nobody needs it on
the actual install CD. If you want to setup a mailinglist server an admin
should be able to install everything related after the initial install by
her-/himself. The same with bacula, apache, tomcat, nagios and so on.
A little bit more info would be great. Even to hear which Ubuntu groups
(website, mailinglists and so on) decide what makes it to the server
distribution of Ubuntu.

Is it possible to get the list sorted alphabetically by package name? And
to get a complete list on one page? These paging makes everything very
confusing.


Michael


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Old 07-19-2010, 02:19 PM
"Miano, Steven M."
 
Default Review packages included in the ubuntu-server package set

I think Michael has an excellent suggestion, seeing all ~300 packages on one page would be nice.

I would like to go through this list of seed packages, but as a minimalist, and with a paradigm that says building a server should be _building_ it up, and not striping out the cruft, I'm a little nervous about commenting that ~100 packages get removed.

As stated below, having certain packages available on the CD/DVD is nice, but are these packages default installed with the OS? I like the tasksel processes, but honestly I apt-get install after the OS install and then


>> > > has been created and populated from the Ubuntu seeds. There are 279
>> > > packages currently included in it.
>> > >
>> > > [1]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveReorganisation
>> > >

...

>> > > Leave a
>> > > comment there for each packages that shouldn't be part of the
>> > > ubuntu-server package set.
>> > >
>> > > [2]: http://ubuntuserverpkgsetreview.appspot.com/
>> >

...

> In any case, the list needs some serious review. I'm reasonably certain
> Gimp
> shouldn't be on the list (that being just the most glaring example).
>

I was wondering what this list really means! Are these packages for the
server CD? Or are these packages part of a server related package list?
Sorry for these basic questions but I think I'm not the only one wondering
about it.

For example: mailman is an important server package but nobody needs it on
the actual install CD. If you want to setup a mailinglist server an admin
should be able to install everything related after the initial install by
her-/himself. The same with bacula, apache, tomcat, nagios and so on.
A little bit more info would be great. Even to hear which Ubuntu groups
(website, mailinglists and so on) decide what makes it to the server
distribution of Ubuntu.

Is it possible to get the list sorted alphabetically by package name? And
to get a complete list on one page? These paging makes everything very
confusing.


Michael



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Old 07-19-2010, 03:02 PM
Mathias Gug
 
Default Review packages included in the ubuntu-server package set

Hi Michael,

Excerpts from Michael Zoet's message of Mon Jul 19 16:03:55 +0200 2010:
>
> I was wondering what this list really means! Are these packages for the
> server CD? Or are these packages part of a server related package list?
> Sorry for these basic questions but I think I'm not the only one wondering
> about it.
>

These packages will be part of the "server related" package list".

Packages in the ubuntu-server package set will be included in two lists
for now:
* they will be included in the list of packages supervised by the
ubuntu-server team [1].
[1]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/+packagebugs

* members of the newly created ubuntu-server-dev team [2] will have upload
permissions for them.
[2]: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-dev

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Old 07-19-2010, 03:23 PM
"Michael Zoet"
 
Default Review packages included in the ubuntu-server package set

Am Mo, 19.07.2010, 17:02 schrieb Mathias Gug:
> Hi Michael,
>
> Excerpts from Michael Zoet's message of Mon Jul 19 16:03:55 +0200 2010:
>>
>> I was wondering what this list really means! Are these packages for the
>> server CD? Or are these packages part of a server related package list?
>> Sorry for these basic questions but I think I'm not the only one
>> wondering
>> about it.
>>
>
> These packages will be part of the "server related" package list".

Ah! Thx! I think this needs thorough review. A lost package can upset a
lot of sysadmins ;-).

>
> Packages in the ubuntu-server package set will be included in two lists
> for now:
> * they will be included in the list of packages supervised by the
> ubuntu-server team [1].
> [1]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/+packagebugs
>
> * members of the newly created ubuntu-server-dev team [2] will have
> upload
> permissions for them.
> [2]: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-dev
>

Maybe I can subscribe to some packages and help in bug triaging. With a
list related to server packages it is much easier for me to find these.
Good idea!

Michael




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