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Old 03-23-2010, 08:07 PM
"Egbert Jan van den Bussche"
 
Default Changes in booting with ubuntu-server 10.04

I have not tried any of the alpha or beta releases yet. But now I see
Micheal's horror story. PLEASE do not assume that a server can display ANY
kind of graphics. All my servers run headles and can only be logged in with
ssh. If really no other way, I have to bring a keyboard/display to the
rack...
Again please let the init messages flow over our consoles.

Just my 2$c
Egbert Jan (NL)
HCC!Hobbynet admininistrator


> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: ubuntu-server-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com
> [mailto:ubuntu-server-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com] Namens Michael Waltz
> Verzonden: dinsdag 23 maart 2010 21:57
> Aan: ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com
> Onderwerp: Changes in booting with ubuntu-server 10.04
>
>
> After trying out the alpha and beta releases of Ubuntu I am
> finding that
> the booting method of 10.04 is greatly altered. I understand
> why there
> were made, to improve the boot time and make it look nicer, but they
> seem to contrast with how a server should boot.
>
> With a traditional unix-like startup a server administrator
> expects to
> see what exactly is booting on the system and if there are
> any failures
> or warnings. It seems that this is not the case in 10.04 so
> far. When I
> first installed Alpha 3, grub automatically booted to the first OS
> listing without even listing the menu (I understand you can
> use ESC to
> go into the menu) and then plymouth took over displaying a
> splash screen
> until the login prompt without showing any boot information.
>
> Are there plans for the 10.04 server version to keep with a
> traditional
> server start-up? Or is this the default we should expect upon
> install?
> I've changed a few things, such as enabling the grub menu with a 5
> second timeout, removing plymouth on install, but there are
> still a few
> bits that make booting seem odd. The first is that the
> systems boots by
> default to tty7, displaying a blank screen like it's expecting X to
> start up. The second is I'm unable to find a way to have
> upstart display
> any information about what init or init.d scripts are running.
>
> There are a few bug reports on these items, but they're not
> necessarily
> "bugs" it seems since this is how the desktop flavor is
> suppose to work.
>
> With 10.04 server can we expect a traditional server boot or are
> individual admins going to have to enable these extra bits of
> verbosity
> manually?
>
> --
> Micheal Waltz
> SMG Unix Infrastructure
> Qualcomm Inc.
> Phone: 858-845-6083
> Cell: 858-882-7079
>
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Old 03-23-2010, 10:32 PM
"Fabio T. Leitao"
 
Default Changes in booting with ubuntu-server 10.04

another peculiar change in the boot, it no longer uses sreadahead, replaced by ureadahead...

which is just fine by the way, but after I have done a # do-release-upgrade -d from 9.10 to 10.04 on a test environment, I have found out that the sreadahead was still installed, together with ureadahead, making the book impossibly sloooww and full of error in my logs...



might be an easy fix during the upgrade script, and was pretty obvious to resolve, mainly because it overshut the plymouth GUI all together, echoing in a bizzar purple terminal (in yellow letters) about the ureadahead exit 4 ... pretty ugly combination if you ask me, but I think it was all together an accident



I should repport in apport as soon as I can recreate the steps...

2010/3/23 Egbert Jan van den Bussche <egbert@vandenbussche.nl>


I have not tried any of the alpha or beta releases yet. But now I see

Micheal's horror story. PLEASE do not assume that a server can display ANY

kind of graphics. All my servers run headles and can only be logged in with

ssh. *If really no other way, I have to bring a keyboard/display to the

rack...

Again please let the init messages flow over our consoles.



Just my 2$c

Egbert Jan (NL)

HCC!Hobbynet admininistrator





> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----

> Van: ubuntu-server-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com

> [mailto:ubuntu-server-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com] Namens Michael Waltz

> Verzonden: dinsdag 23 maart 2010 21:57

> Aan: ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com

> Onderwerp: Changes in booting with ubuntu-server 10.04

>

>

> After trying out the alpha and beta releases of Ubuntu I am

> finding that

> the booting method of 10.04 is greatly altered. I understand

> why there

> were made, to improve the boot time and make it look nicer, but they

> seem to contrast with how a server should boot.

>

> With a traditional unix-like startup a server administrator

> expects to

> see what exactly is booting on the system and if there are

> any failures

> or warnings. It seems that this is not the case in 10.04 so

> far. When I

> first installed Alpha 3, grub automatically booted to the first OS

> listing without even listing the menu (I understand you can

> use ESC to

> go into the menu) and then plymouth took over displaying a

> splash screen

> until the login prompt without showing any boot information.

>

> Are there plans for the 10.04 server version to keep with a

> traditional

> server start-up? Or is this the default we should expect upon

> install?

> I've changed a few things, such as enabling the grub menu with a 5

> second timeout, removing plymouth on install, but there are

> still a few

> bits that make booting seem odd. The first is that the

> systems boots by

> default to tty7, displaying a blank screen like it's expecting X to

> start up. The second is I'm unable to find a way to have

> upstart display

> any information about what init or init.d scripts are running.

>

> There are a few bug reports on these items, but they're not

> necessarily

> "bugs" it seems since this is how the desktop flavor is

> suppose to work.

>

> With 10.04 server can we expect a traditional server boot or are

> individual admins going to have to enable these extra bits of

> verbosity

> manually?

>

> --

> Micheal Waltz

> SMG Unix Infrastructure

> Qualcomm Inc.

> Phone: 858-845-6083

> Cell: 858-882-7079

>

> --

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> ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com

> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server

> More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam

>





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Old 03-23-2010, 10:44 PM
Michael Waltz
 
Default Changes in booting with ubuntu-server 10.04

I'm getting the same error "ureadahead-other main process (###)
terminated with status 4", although I think it may be due to it running
on ESX. It appears there is a bug report open for it, 484677, with a lot
of replies, but it's marked as invalid.

I'm going to try 10.04 on some physical hardware this week and see if it
gives the same errors.

Micheal

Fabio T. Leitao wrote:
> another peculiar change in the boot, it no longer uses sreadahead,
> replaced by ureadahead...
>
> which is just fine by the way, but after I have done a #
> do-release-upgrade -d from 9.10 to 10.04 on a test environment, I have
> found out that the sreadahead was still installed, together with
> ureadahead, making the book impossibly sloooww and full of error in my
> logs...
>
> might be an easy fix during the upgrade script, and was pretty obvious
> to resolve, mainly because it overshut the plymouth GUI all together,
> echoing in a bizzar purple terminal (in yellow letters) about the
> ureadahead exit 4 ... pretty ugly combination if you ask me, but I think
> it was all together an accident
>
> I should repport in apport as soon as I can recreate the steps...
>
> 2010/3/23 Egbert Jan van den Bussche <egbert@vandenbussche.nl
> <mailto:egbert@vandenbussche.nl>>
>
> I have not tried any of the alpha or beta releases yet. But now I see
> Micheal's horror story. PLEASE do not assume that a server can
> display ANY
> kind of graphics. All my servers run headles and can only be logged
> in with
> ssh. If really no other way, I have to bring a keyboard/display to the
> rack...
> Again please let the init messages flow over our consoles.
>
> Just my 2$c
> Egbert Jan (NL)
> HCC!Hobbynet admininistrator
>
>
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: ubuntu-server-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com
> <mailto:ubuntu-server-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com>
> > [mailto:ubuntu-server-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com
> <mailto:ubuntu-server-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com>] Namens Michael Waltz
> > Verzonden: dinsdag 23 maart 2010 21:57
> > Aan: ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com
> <mailto:ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com>
> > Onderwerp: Changes in booting with ubuntu-server 10.04
> >
> >
> > After trying out the alpha and beta releases of Ubuntu I am
> > finding that
> > the booting method of 10.04 is greatly altered. I understand
> > why there
> > were made, to improve the boot time and make it look nicer, but they
> > seem to contrast with how a server should boot.
> >
> > With a traditional unix-like startup a server administrator
> > expects to
> > see what exactly is booting on the system and if there are
> > any failures
> > or warnings. It seems that this is not the case in 10.04 so
> > far. When I
> > first installed Alpha 3, grub automatically booted to the first OS
> > listing without even listing the menu (I understand you can
> > use ESC to
> > go into the menu) and then plymouth took over displaying a
> > splash screen
> > until the login prompt without showing any boot information.
> >
> > Are there plans for the 10.04 server version to keep with a
> > traditional
> > server start-up? Or is this the default we should expect upon
> > install?
> > I've changed a few things, such as enabling the grub menu with a 5
> > second timeout, removing plymouth on install, but there are
> > still a few
> > bits that make booting seem odd. The first is that the
> > systems boots by
> > default to tty7, displaying a blank screen like it's expecting X to
> > start up. The second is I'm unable to find a way to have
> > upstart display
> > any information about what init or init.d scripts are running.
> >
> > There are a few bug reports on these items, but they're not
> > necessarily
> > "bugs" it seems since this is how the desktop flavor is
> > suppose to work.
> >
> > With 10.04 server can we expect a traditional server boot or are
> > individual admins going to have to enable these extra bits of
> > verbosity
> > manually?
> >
> > --
> > Micheal Waltz
> > SMG Unix Infrastructure
> > Qualcomm Inc.
> > Phone: 858-845-6083
> > Cell: 858-882-7079
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-server mailing list
> > ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com
> <mailto:ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com>
> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server
> > More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
> >
>
>
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> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server
> More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam
>
>
>
>
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Old 03-23-2010, 11:26 PM
"Fabio T. Leitao"
 
Default Changes in booting with ubuntu-server 10.04

my test system is a physical hardware (hp dv2000 notebook) but it happens since the first boot from upgrade.. I have found the same ticket and it oded me being invalid yet with so many logs... I got to be an issue, though not in the ureadahead it self, but something solvable



2010/3/23 Michael Waltz <mwaltz@qualcomm.com>


I'm getting the same error "ureadahead-other main process (###) terminated with status 4", although I think it may be due to it running on ESX. It appears there is a bug report open for it, 484677, with a lot of replies, but it's marked as invalid.





I'm going to try 10.04 on some physical hardware this week and see if it gives the same errors.



Micheal



Fabio T. Leitao wrote:


another peculiar change in the boot, it no longer uses sreadahead, replaced by ureadahead...



which is just fine by the way, but after I have done a # do-release-upgrade -d from 9.10 to 10.04 on a test environment, I have found out that the sreadahead was still installed, together with ureadahead, making the book impossibly sloooww and full of error in my logs...





might be an easy fix during the upgrade script, and was pretty obvious to resolve, mainly because it overshut the plymouth GUI all together, echoing in a bizzar purple terminal (in yellow letters) about the ureadahead exit 4 ... pretty ugly combination if you ask me, but I think it was all together an accident





I should repport in apport as soon as I can recreate the steps...



2010/3/23 Egbert Jan van den Bussche <egbert@vandenbussche.nl <mailto:egbert@vandenbussche.nl>>





* *I have not tried any of the alpha or beta releases yet. But now I see

* *Micheal's horror story. PLEASE do not assume that a server can

* *display ANY

* *kind of graphics. All my servers run headles and can only be logged

* *in with

* *ssh. *If really no other way, I have to bring a keyboard/display to the

* *rack...

* *Again please let the init messages flow over our consoles.



* *Just my 2$c

* *Egbert Jan (NL)

* *HCC!Hobbynet admininistrator





* * > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----

* * > Van: ubuntu-server-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com

* *<mailto:ubuntu-server-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com>

* * > [mailto:ubuntu-server-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com

* *<mailto:ubuntu-server-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com>] Namens Michael Waltz

* * > Verzonden: dinsdag 23 maart 2010 21:57

* * > Aan: ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com

* *<mailto:ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com>

* * > Onderwerp: Changes in booting with ubuntu-server 10.04

* * >

* * >

* * > After trying out the alpha and beta releases of Ubuntu I am

* * > finding that

* * > the booting method of 10.04 is greatly altered. I understand

* * > why there

* * > were made, to improve the boot time and make it look nicer, but they

* * > seem to contrast with how a server should boot.

* * >

* * > With a traditional unix-like startup a server administrator

* * > expects to

* * > see what exactly is booting on the system and if there are

* * > any failures

* * > or warnings. It seems that this is not the case in 10.04 so

* * > far. When I

* * > first installed Alpha 3, grub automatically booted to the first OS

* * > listing without even listing the menu (I understand you can

* * > use ESC to

* * > go into the menu) and then plymouth took over displaying a

* * > splash screen

* * > until the login prompt without showing any boot information.

* * >

* * > Are there plans for the 10.04 server version to keep with a

* * > traditional

* * > server start-up? Or is this the default we should expect upon

* * > install?

* * > I've changed a few things, such as enabling the grub menu with a 5

* * > second timeout, removing plymouth on install, but there are

* * > still a few

* * > bits that make booting seem odd. The first is that the

* * > systems boots by

* * > default to tty7, displaying a blank screen like it's expecting X to

* * > start up. The second is I'm unable to find a way to have

* * > upstart display

* * > any information about what init or init.d scripts are running.

* * >

* * > There are a few bug reports on these items, but they're not

* * > necessarily

* * > "bugs" it seems since this is how the desktop flavor is

* * > suppose to work.

* * >

* * > With 10.04 server can we expect a traditional server boot or are

* * > individual admins going to have to enable these extra bits of

* * > verbosity

* * > manually?

* * >

* * > --

* * > Micheal Waltz

* * > SMG Unix Infrastructure

* * > Qualcomm Inc.

* * > Phone: 858-845-6083

* * > Cell: 858-882-7079

* * >

* * > --

* * > ubuntu-server mailing list

* * > ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com

* *<mailto:ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com>

* * > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server

* * > More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam

* * >





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Old 03-23-2010, 11:30 PM
"Fabio T. Leitao"
 
Default Changes in booting with ubuntu-server 10.04

By the way, I always try the server distro on a notebook due to the great chance for problems... when I am happy with it, I try the on a desktop hardware too... and only then on a server system.. each one has its particulars, but the OS it self sould be able to work on them all... since the major difference sould be only the clock ticker (if not mistaken)



the transformation to "desktop" usually is as easy as an apt-get install ubuntu-desktop anyway (and may be a few autoremoves --purge also)

2010/3/23 Fabio T. Leitao <fabio.tleitao@gmail.com>


my test system is a physical hardware (hp dv2000 notebook) but it happens since the first boot from upgrade.. I have found the same ticket and it oded me being invalid yet with so many logs... I got to be an issue, though not in the ureadahead it self, but something solvable




2010/3/23 Michael Waltz <mwaltz@qualcomm.com>



I'm getting the same error "ureadahead-other main process (###) terminated with status 4", although I think it may be due to it running on ESX. It appears there is a bug report open for it, 484677, with a lot of replies, but it's marked as invalid.






I'm going to try 10.04 on some physical hardware this week and see if it gives the same errors.



Micheal



Fabio T. Leitao wrote:


another peculiar change in the boot, it no longer uses sreadahead, replaced by ureadahead...



which is just fine by the way, but after I have done a # do-release-upgrade -d from 9.10 to 10.04 on a test environment, I have found out that the sreadahead was still installed, together with ureadahead, making the book impossibly sloooww and full of error in my logs...






might be an easy fix during the upgrade script, and was pretty obvious to resolve, mainly because it overshut the plymouth GUI all together, echoing in a bizzar purple terminal (in yellow letters) about the ureadahead exit 4 ... pretty ugly combination if you ask me, but I think it was all together an accident






I should repport in apport as soon as I can recreate the steps...



2010/3/23 Egbert Jan van den Bussche <egbert@vandenbussche.nl <mailto:egbert@vandenbussche.nl>>






* *I have not tried any of the alpha or beta releases yet. But now I see

* *Micheal's horror story. PLEASE do not assume that a server can

* *display ANY

* *kind of graphics. All my servers run headles and can only be logged

* *in with

* *ssh. *If really no other way, I have to bring a keyboard/display to the

* *rack...

* *Again please let the init messages flow over our consoles.



* *Just my 2$c

* *Egbert Jan (NL)

* *HCC!Hobbynet admininistrator





* * > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----

* * > Van: ubuntu-server-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com

* *<mailto:ubuntu-server-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com>

* * > [mailto:ubuntu-server-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com

* *<mailto:ubuntu-server-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com>] Namens Michael Waltz

* * > Verzonden: dinsdag 23 maart 2010 21:57

* * > Aan: ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com

* *<mailto:ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com>

* * > Onderwerp: Changes in booting with ubuntu-server 10.04

* * >

* * >

* * > After trying out the alpha and beta releases of Ubuntu I am

* * > finding that

* * > the booting method of 10.04 is greatly altered. I understand

* * > why there

* * > were made, to improve the boot time and make it look nicer, but they

* * > seem to contrast with how a server should boot.

* * >

* * > With a traditional unix-like startup a server administrator

* * > expects to

* * > see what exactly is booting on the system and if there are

* * > any failures

* * > or warnings. It seems that this is not the case in 10.04 so

* * > far. When I

* * > first installed Alpha 3, grub automatically booted to the first OS

* * > listing without even listing the menu (I understand you can

* * > use ESC to

* * > go into the menu) and then plymouth took over displaying a

* * > splash screen

* * > until the login prompt without showing any boot information.

* * >

* * > Are there plans for the 10.04 server version to keep with a

* * > traditional

* * > server start-up? Or is this the default we should expect upon

* * > install?

* * > I've changed a few things, such as enabling the grub menu with a 5

* * > second timeout, removing plymouth on install, but there are

* * > still a few

* * > bits that make booting seem odd. The first is that the

* * > systems boots by

* * > default to tty7, displaying a blank screen like it's expecting X to

* * > start up. The second is I'm unable to find a way to have

* * > upstart display

* * > any information about what init or init.d scripts are running.

* * >

* * > There are a few bug reports on these items, but they're not

* * > necessarily

* * > "bugs" it seems since this is how the desktop flavor is

* * > suppose to work.

* * >

* * > With 10.04 server can we expect a traditional server boot or are

* * > individual admins going to have to enable these extra bits of

* * > verbosity

* * > manually?

* * >

* * > --

* * > Micheal Waltz

* * > SMG Unix Infrastructure

* * > Qualcomm Inc.

* * > Phone: 858-845-6083

* * > Cell: 858-882-7079

* * >

* * > --

* * > ubuntu-server mailing list

* * > ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com

* *<mailto:ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com>

* * > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server

* * > More info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam

* * >





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Old 03-24-2010, 12:49 PM
Etienne Goyer
 
Default Changes in booting with ubuntu-server 10.04

Fabio T. Leitao wrote:
> which is just fine by the way, but after I have done a #
> do-release-upgrade -d from 9.10 to 10.04 on a test environment, I have
> found out that the sreadahead was still installed, together with
> ureadahead, making the book impossibly sloooww and full of error in my
> logs...

Sounds like a terrible bug indeed. Is there a bug open on Launchpad
about this one? If not, it would good if you could file one.

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Old 03-24-2010, 04:00 PM
"Fabio T. Leitao"
 
Default Changes in booting with ubuntu-server 10.04

I would say there is, one I have issued, kind of... but since there is no do-release-upgrade in the lucid branch yet apport-bug got a little problem there... I had to complain about ureadahead in the bug #545596



still unresponded

2010/3/24 Etienne Goyer <etienne.goyer@canonical.com>

Fabio T. Leitao wrote:


which is just fine by the way, but after I have done a # do-release-upgrade -d from 9.10 to 10.04 on a test environment, I have found out that the sreadahead was still installed, together with ureadahead, making the book impossibly sloooww and full of error in my logs...







Sounds like a terrible bug indeed. *Is there a bug open on Launchpad about this one? *If not, it would good if you could file one.



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Old 03-25-2010, 05:22 PM
Soren Hansen
 
Default Changes in booting with ubuntu-server 10.04

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:07:51PM +0100, Egbert Jan van den Bussche wrote:
> I have not tried any of the alpha or beta releases yet. But now I see
> Micheal's horror story. PLEASE do not assume that a server can display ANY
> kind of graphics. All my servers run headles and can only be logged in with
> ssh. If really no other way, I have to bring a keyboard/display to the
> rack...
> Again please let the init messages flow over our consoles.

Silly question perhaps, but if they're headless why do you care a whole
lot about what's being shown?

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Old 03-25-2010, 06:40 PM
John Pybus
 
Default Changes in booting with ubuntu-server 10.04

Soren Hansen wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:07:51PM +0100, Egbert Jan van den Bussche wrote:
>> I have not tried any of the alpha or beta releases yet. But now I see
>> Micheal's horror story. PLEASE do not assume that a server can display ANY
>> kind of graphics. All my servers run headles and can only be logged in with
>> ssh. If really no other way, I have to bring a keyboard/display to the
>> rack...
>> Again please let the init messages flow over our consoles.
>
> Silly question perhaps, but if they're headless why do you care a whole
> lot about what's being shown?

I'd imagine that it's because, if you've made the effort to head over to
a rack and connect display/keyboard it's not to admire the Ubuntu
branding as you machine starts; something is wrong and you want every
bit of feedback the machine can give you.

Desktop and Server use cases are just diametrically opposite in this
respect. Some of the effort which has gone into smoothing the desktop
boot process can be seen as regression on a server. I guess the effort
on startup time/readahead may be useful on the server, but BIOS startup
times so overwhelmingly dominate ubuntu boot time on my server hardware
that there's very little to be gained even there.

Best,
John


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Old 03-25-2010, 06:45 PM
Michael Waltz
 
Default Changes in booting with ubuntu-server 10.04

Just because they're headless doesn't mean that we wouldn't want to see
what all is happening when it boots, especially if there's a problem.

For instance we have a lot of HP and Sun x86 infrastructure, and their
LOMs can display graphics, but we prefer to use the text console for
imaging and troubleshooting. Using a null-modem serial connection is
also a common occurrence on severely distressed hosts. As most of us
sysadmins know 99% of the time a system will boot without an issue, but
it's that 1% of them royally screwing up that we need this type of
verbosity.

Having it boot sequentially and in text (or the options to do so) is
essential for systems a data center. I would think this would be default
and am still perplexed on why a graphical splash screen on boot in the
server edition is default.

I really want Ubuntu Server to flourish and am doing my best to make it
a fully supported as major distribution option in our physical and
virtual data centers. Unfortunately though this effort is stalled due to
not meeting core functionality requirements like this. I've worked
around the issue as much as I can but I've hit a wall since this design
of upstart/plymouth are core features of the 10.04 release.

My boot wish list for Ubuntu Server is this:

1. Grub menu enabled by default with a timeout and "quiet" option
removed in order to display kernel messages on boot.
2. Plymouth removed or disabled, printing all boot messages to tty1 in
standard text with no framebuffer.
3. Upstart in sysvinit compatibility mode, booting init scripts in order
and not relying on event triggers.

I don't want it to seem like I'm making demands and am more than willing
to help out. I have access to datacenter grade hardware/software (HP and
Sun x86 blade centers and single systems, and ESX, XEN, KVM virtual
clusters) and am willing to test and develop for these platforms.

Micheal

Soren Hansen wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:07:51PM +0100, Egbert Jan van den Bussche wrote:
>> I have not tried any of the alpha or beta releases yet. But now I see
>> Micheal's horror story. PLEASE do not assume that a server can display ANY
>> kind of graphics. All my servers run headles and can only be logged in with
>> ssh. If really no other way, I have to bring a keyboard/display to the
>> rack...
>> Again please let the init messages flow over our consoles.
>
> Silly question perhaps, but if they're headless why do you care a whole
> lot about what's being shown?
>
>

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