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Old 09-13-2008, 10:39 PM
Liraz Siri
 
Default TurnKey Linux: new project builds Ubuntu based Live CD appliances

Hi guys,

(I previously posted this to ubuntu-devel-discuss but someone suggested
that subscribers to ubuntu-server would be a better audience for this
announcement)

I am one of the developers behind TurnKey Linux, a new opensource
project that builds installable, Ubuntu based Live CD appliances that
serve specific roles.

The project's motto is "everything that can be easy, should be easy" and
basically we're aiming to try and make Ubuntu easier to use for certain
types of (mostly server) tasks.

We've recently released public betas of our first three Live CD appliances:

* TurnKey LAMP stack
* TurnKey Drupal 5
* TurnKey Joomla

A few technical highlights, as described on our website:
http://www.turnkeylinux.org/

* Based on Ubuntu 8.04.1 (hardy LTS).
* Minimal footprint (typically around 150MB) - each appliance is
carefully built from the ground up with the minimum components needed
to serve its role with maximum efficiency and security.
* Packaged as an installable Live CD (I.e., bootable ISO) that can run
on real hardware in addition to most types of virtual machines.

Secretly we're hoping enough people will find this interesting so that
we can build out a specialized extension of the Ubuntu community
(focused on appliances), in much the same way the Ubuntu community has
become a specialized extension of Debian.

Check it out and tell us what you think!

Cheers,
Liraz



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Old 09-14-2008, 03:13 AM
Scott Kitterman
 
Default TurnKey Linux: new project builds Ubuntu based Live CD appliances

On Saturday 13 September 2008 18:39, Liraz Siri wrote:
...

Along these lines, I've been interested in integrating not only packages, but
specific configurations for specific purposes. Somewhat along the lines of
what you are doing, I wrote:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerFlavorSpec

Note: This is unimplemented and unapproved.

Scott K

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Old 09-14-2008, 11:01 AM
Soren Hansen
 
Default TurnKey Linux: new project builds Ubuntu based Live CD appliances

On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 01:39:56AM +0300, Liraz Siri wrote:
> * Packaged as an installable Live CD (I.e., bootable ISO) that can run
> on real hardware in addition to most types of virtual machines.

I'm not sure I understand this.. Is it a live cd or is it installable?
If both, how is this achieved? Do you choose at boot whether you want to
run a live cd or to install, or do you have a new mechanism for
installing from a live system running from a live cd (since I presume
ubiquity won't work from a console)?

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Old 09-14-2008, 11:11 AM
Karl Goetz
 
Default TurnKey Linux: new project builds Ubuntu based Live CD appliances

On Sun, 2008-09-14 at 13:01 +0200, Soren Hansen wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 01:39:56AM +0300, Liraz Siri wrote:
> > * Packaged as an installable Live CD (I.e., bootable ISO) that can run
> > on real hardware in addition to most types of virtual machines.
>
> I'm not sure I understand this.. Is it a live cd or is it installable?
> If both, how is this achieved? Do you choose at boot whether you want to
> run a live cd or to install, or do you have a new mechanism for
> installing from a live system running from a live cd (since I presume
> ubiquity won't work from a console)?

Dont know if this helps, but -
http://code.turnkeylinux.org/di-live/docs/README
kk

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Old 09-14-2008, 01:54 PM
Liraz Siri
 
Default TurnKey Linux: new project builds Ubuntu based Live CD appliances

Scott Kitterman wrote:
> Along these lines, I've been interested in integrating not only packages, but
> specific configurations for specific purposes. Somewhat along the lines of
> what you are doing, I wrote:
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerFlavorSpec

Bending DI and FAI to integrate complete systems is probably possible
but the devil is really in the details and this seems to be quite a
complex approach. From our experience the development process for
pre-integrated purpose-specific systems can be quite complex as it is
and (depending on your approach) may require a non-trivial investment in
infrastructure (e.g., Canonical's infrastructure).

Unfortunately, Canonical has enough on their plate without taking on the
development of a whole family of Ubuntu-based appliances.

If you have ideas for custom Ubuntu "flavors" (what we call appliances)
you would like to see implemented in the near future, we would love for
you to piggyback on our efforts and help nudge TurnKey Linux in the
direction you are interested in! Experiment with Ubuntu, describe the
appliance you would like to see built in enough detail (e.g., packages,
configuration tweaks), we'll build it, sourceforge will host it, the
community will test it, rinse, lather, repeat.

The more people get involved the sooner we can have a whole bunch of
opensource appliances to fill every nook and cranny.

Cheers,
Liraz




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Old 09-15-2008, 07:44 AM
concatenate
 
Default TurnKey Linux: new project builds Ubuntu based Live CD appliances

On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu@kitterman.com> wrote:
>
> Along these lines, I've been interested in integrating not only packages, but
> specific configurations for specific purposes. Somewhat along the lines of
> what you are doing, I wrote:
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerFlavorSpec
>
> Note: This is unimplemented and unapproved.

The reason I joined the Ubuntu Server mailing list was to see if
Ubuntu ever planned to make a sort of alternative to windows domains.
Basically have a standard directory and authentication framework, and
allow clients to join if they have the proper password or other creds.
Administration of the central services could then be pretty standard,
and well understood even across different sites.

I'm not saying that Ubuntu needs to do this, or that a
feature-by-feature windows domain replacement is the right approach,
only that something like this seems wise to me. Scott's ideas seem
like a step along the path toward such a "standard" infrastructure.
Have such things been discussed by the team? I haven't seen any
mention of it.

Ubuntu desktop does a good job of making windows desktops less
necessary, and perhaps it's a logical next step to make windows
domains less necessary?

Don't be confused by my statements and actually think that I've put a
lot of thought into this - I haven't. Just thinking out loud more
than anything else.

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Old 09-15-2008, 08:49 AM
Onno Benschop
 
Default TurnKey Linux: new project builds Ubuntu based Live CD appliances

On 15/09/08 15:44, concatenate wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu@kitterman.com> wrote:
>
>> Along these lines, I've been interested in integrating not only packages, but
>> specific configurations for specific purposes. Somewhat along the lines of
>> what you are doing, I wrote:
>>
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerFlavorSpec
>>
>> Note: This is unimplemented and unapproved.
>>
>
> The reason I joined the Ubuntu Server mailing list was to see if
> Ubuntu ever planned to make a sort of alternative to windows domains.
> Basically have a standard directory and authentication framework, and
> allow clients to join if they have the proper password or other creds.
> Administration of the central services could then be pretty standard,
> and well understood even across different sites.
>
> I'm not saying that Ubuntu needs to do this, or that a
> feature-by-feature windows domain replacement is the right approach,
> only that something like this seems wise to me. Scott's ideas seem
> like a step along the path toward such a "standard" infrastructure.
> Have such things been discussed by the team? I haven't seen any
> mention of it.
>
> Ubuntu desktop does a good job of making windows desktops less
> necessary, and perhaps it's a logical next step to make windows
> domains less necessary?
>
> Don't be confused by my statements and actually think that I've put a
> lot of thought into this - I haven't. Just thinking out loud more
> than anything else.
>
>
Wow,

Everything old is new again. Here is a link to an article[1] I wrote in
November 2003 which describes some of what you describe and combines
nicely with TurnKey

* http://itmaze.com.au/articles/cio/


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