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Old 07-01-2008, 05:40 PM
Michael Hipp
 
Default Installing VirtualBox on Hardy

I've read good things about VirtualBox so I'm hoping it will not have the many
deficiencies of VMWare Server. (If there are other "free" server virtualization
products worth trying, I'd like to hear of them.)

So, anyways, I'm trying to set up VirtualBox on a Hardy server so I can run an
instance of W2k Server. I downloaded the .deb from VirtualBox.org? But when I
attempt to install it it gives me:

# dpkg -i virtualbox_1.6.2-31466_Ubuntu_hardy_i386.deb
Selecting previously deselected package virtualbox.
(Reading database ... 19999 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking virtualbox (from virtualbox_1.6.2-31466_Ubuntu_hardy_i386.deb) ...
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of virtualbox:
virtualbox depends on libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0); however:
Package libglib2.0-0 is not installed.
virtualbox depends on libidl0; however:
Package libidl0 is not installed.
virtualbox depends on libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.8-b); however:
Package libqt3-mt is not installed.
virtualbox depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1); however:
Package libsdl1.2debian is not installed.
virtualbox depends on libx11-6; however:
Package libx11-6 is not installed.
virtualbox depends on libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2); however:
Package libxcursor1 is not installed.
virtualbox depends on libxml2 (>= 2.6.27); however:
Package libxml2 is not installed.
virtualbox depends on libxslt1.1 (>= 1.1.20); however:
Package libxslt1.1 is not installed.
virtualbox depends on libxt6; however:
Package libxt6 is not installed.
dpkg: error processing virtualbox (--install):
dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
virtualbox

But I don't want all that graphical X-Windows and Qt bloat as I don't plan to
run any of it on this server (I'll be using the "headless" console). Is there
any way to install this without having to resort to the "alternative" installer
and compile a bunch of stuff. I really don't want development tools on this
system either.

Thanks,
Michael

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Old 07-01-2008, 08:30 PM
Soren Hansen
 
Default Installing VirtualBox on Hardy

On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 12:40:26PM -0500, Michael Hipp wrote:
> I've read good things about VirtualBox so I'm hoping it will not have
> the many deficiencies of VMWare Server. (If there are other "free"
> server virtualization products worth trying, I'd like to hear of
> them.)

KVM is all the rage these days. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM

> But I don't want all that graphical X-Windows and Qt bloat

Then VirtualBox is not for you. At least not the free version. It
doesn't have a headless mode. The non-free version... Well, we can't
really help you with that

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Old 07-01-2008, 08:48 PM
Michael Hipp
 
Default Installing VirtualBox on Hardy

I've had several off-list replies:

Nicolas Valcarcel wrote:
> Better to use kvm or xen.

Thanks. See below.

James Dinkel wrote:
> Personally, if (when) I move away from VMWare, I would go to KVM on
> servers. This is largely because KVM is much lighter on dependencies
> (it's already there, in the kernel) and better to manage on a command
> line-only system. In fact, IIRC, VirtualBox is incapable of being
> managed remotely or from anything other than it's local gui
> application.

VB has their feature known as "headless" that says it does allow full remote
control with no control software on the host. Can't find any explanation other
than in the pdf manual in section 7.4.1:
http://www.virtualbox.org/download/1.6.2/UserManual.pdf

"7.4.1 VBoxHeadless, the VRDP-only server
While the VRDP server that is built into the VirtualBox GUI is perfectly capable of
running virtual machines remotely, it is not convenient to have to run
VirtualBox if
you never want to have VMs displayed locally in the first place. In particular,
if you are
running servers whose only purpose is to host VMs, and all your VMs are supposed to
run remotely over VRDP, then it is pointless to have a graphical user interface
on the
server at all – especially since, on a Linux or Solaris host, VirtualBox comes with
dependencies on the Qt and SDL libraries, which is inconvenient if you would rather
not have the X Window system on your server at all.
VirtualBox therefore comes with yet another front-end that produces no visible
output
on the host at all, but instead only delivers VRDP data. With VirtualBox 1.6, this
“headless server” is now aptly called VBoxHeadless. (In previous versions, it was
called VBoxVRDP. For the sake of backwards compatibility, the VirtualBox
installation
still installs an executable with that name as well.)"

Jim Rosser wrote:
> So you don't have a desktop like KDE or Gnome installed? If the answer
> is no then you wont be able to run VirtualBox as it is a GUI
> virtualization application. You might try Xen which doesnt need a GUI,
> in fact i think VirtualBox was actually built off Xen, though i wont
> sware to it.

Correct. This is a server. Which (IMHO, by definition) means it does not run a
desktop or GUI. See above about the "headless" option for VB, which is part of
the reason I was interested in it. It will surely be an improvement over
VMware's console thing.

That's 3 or so votes that I look at Xen or KVM. But I thought these
technologies only worked with Linux guests and you need one of the very new
processors with some extended instruction set for this. Is that not correct?
(My host runs a P4). Can you run A Windows guest on Linux in Xen or KVM on a
garden-variety processor?

Thanks everyone,
Michael


Michael Hipp wrote:
>
> I've read good things about VirtualBox so I'm hoping it will not have the many
> deficiencies of VMWare Server. (If there are other "free" server virtualization
> products worth trying, I'd like to hear of them.)
>
> So, anyways, I'm trying to set up VirtualBox on a Hardy server so I can run an
> instance of W2k Server. I downloaded the .deb from VirtualBox.org? But when I
> attempt to install it it gives me:
>
> # dpkg -i virtualbox_1.6.2-31466_Ubuntu_hardy_i386.deb
> Selecting previously deselected package virtualbox.
> (Reading database ... 19999 files and directories currently installed.)
> Unpacking virtualbox (from virtualbox_1.6.2-31466_Ubuntu_hardy_i386.deb) ...
> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of virtualbox:
> virtualbox depends on libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0); however:
> Package libglib2.0-0 is not installed.
> virtualbox depends on libidl0; however:
> Package libidl0 is not installed.
> virtualbox depends on libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.8-b); however:
> Package libqt3-mt is not installed.
> virtualbox depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1); however:
> Package libsdl1.2debian is not installed.
> virtualbox depends on libx11-6; however:
> Package libx11-6 is not installed.
> virtualbox depends on libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2); however:
> Package libxcursor1 is not installed.
> virtualbox depends on libxml2 (>= 2.6.27); however:
> Package libxml2 is not installed.
> virtualbox depends on libxslt1.1 (>= 1.1.20); however:
> Package libxslt1.1 is not installed.
> virtualbox depends on libxt6; however:
> Package libxt6 is not installed.
> dpkg: error processing virtualbox (--install):
> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
> Errors were encountered while processing:
> virtualbox
>
> But I don't want all that graphical X-Windows and Qt bloat as I don't plan to
> run any of it on this server (I'll be using the "headless" console). Is there
> any way to install this without having to resort to the "alternative" installer
> and compile a bunch of stuff. I really don't want development tools on this
> system either.

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Old 07-01-2008, 08:51 PM
Andreas Hasenack
 
Default Installing VirtualBox on Hardy

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Michael Hipp wrote:
> That's 3 or so votes that I look at Xen or KVM. But I thought these
> technologies only worked with Linux guests and you need one of the very new
> processors with some extended instruction set for this. Is that not correct?

Yes for KVM. If you don't have the hardware support, you could use qemu
with the kqemu kernel module, which is a good speedup against plain qemu.

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Old 07-01-2008, 08:54 PM
Michael Hipp
 
Default Installing VirtualBox on Hardy

Soren Hansen wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 12:40:26PM -0500, Michael Hipp wrote:
>> I've read good things about VirtualBox so I'm hoping it will not have
>> the many deficiencies of VMWare Server. (If there are other "free"
>> server virtualization products worth trying, I'd like to hear of
>> them.)
>
> KVM is all the rage these days. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM

Thanks. But this appears to be an option only for the well-heeled whose fancy
servers support the extended instructions. My P4 likely doesn't. :-(

>> But I don't want all that graphical X-Windows and Qt bloat
>
> Then VirtualBox is not for you. At least not the free version. It
> doesn't have a headless mode. The non-free version... Well, we can't
> really help you with that

Actually they do have the ability to run headless as of v1.6. Otherwise it
would be a no-go as you said.

Thanks,
Michael

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Old 07-01-2008, 09:30 PM
Soren Hansen
 
Default Installing VirtualBox on Hardy

On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 03:54:50PM -0500, Michael Hipp wrote:
>>> I've read good things about VirtualBox so I'm hoping it will not
>>> have the many deficiencies of VMWare Server. (If there are other
>>> "free" server virtualization products worth trying, I'd like to hear
>>> of them.)
>> KVM is all the rage these days.
>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM
> Thanks. But this appears to be an option only for the well-heeled
> whose fancy servers support the extended instructions. My P4 likely
> doesn't. :-(

Perhaps not. It's easy to check, though. There are instructions for that
on that page.

> >> But I don't want all that graphical X-Windows and Qt bloat
> > Then VirtualBox is not for you. At least not the free version. It
> > doesn't have a headless mode. The non-free version... Well, we can't
> > really help you with that
> Actually they do have the ability to run headless as of v1.6.

Looking at their webpage and documentation I see nothing that would
suggest that this feature has been included in their OSE version now. It
still seems to be only in their "full" edition.

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Old 07-01-2008, 09:33 PM
Soren Hansen
 
Default Installing VirtualBox on Hardy

On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 03:48:13PM -0500, Michael Hipp wrote:
> VB has their feature known as "headless" that says it does allow full
> remote control with no control software on the host. Can't find any
> explanation other than in the pdf manual in section 7.4.1:
> http://www.virtualbox.org/download/1.6.2/UserManual.pdf

Indeed. However, looking at http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions,
you'll see the following under the "Closed-source features" heading:


* Remote Display Protocol (RDP) Server

This component implements a complete RDP server on top of the
virtual hardware and allows users to connect to a virtual machine
remotely using any RDP compatible client.

> That's 3 or so votes that I look at Xen or KVM. But I thought these
> technologies only worked with Linux guests and you need one of the
> very new processors with some extended instruction set for this.

If you have the cpu support for it, both Xen and KVM will run any OS
unmodified. If you don't have the cpu extensions, you can run
specialised Linux guests inside Xen.

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Old 07-01-2008, 10:12 PM
Michael Hipp
 
Default Installing VirtualBox on Hardy

Soren Hansen wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 03:48:13PM -0500, Michael Hipp wrote:
>> VB has their feature known as "headless" that says it does allow full
>> remote control with no control software on the host. Can't find any
>> explanation other than in the pdf manual in section 7.4.1:
>> http://www.virtualbox.org/download/1.6.2/UserManual.pdf
>
> Indeed. However, looking at http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions,
> you'll see the following under the "Closed-source features" heading:
>
>
> * Remote Display Protocol (RDP) Server
>
> This component implements a complete RDP server on top of the
> virtual hardware and allows users to connect to a virtual machine
> remotely using any RDP compatible client.

Yes, you're correct. I wasn't thinking about the difference between the two
different versions.

Thanks,
Michael

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Old 07-01-2008, 10:20 PM
"James Dinkel"
 
Default Installing VirtualBox on Hardy

If you don't have the processor extensions, then my vote would be for
qemu+kqemu. Someone may want to verify this (have to go get my kids
right now), but I think you can now create and manage virtual machines
remotely with virt-manager, to make things easier.

James

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