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Old 09-11-2008, 11:51 AM
Loïc Minier
 
Default ekiga tests on 20080901v01intrepid4

Hi,

I tested the ekiga-snapshot package from snapshots.ekiga.net in version
20080901v01intrepid4 and sadly didn't manage to do anything useful with
them.

these are my notes:
- not parallel installable, conflicts with other packages (notably
ekiga which is a dep of ubuntu-desktop) but uses "/usr/bin/ekiga";
why not simply name the package ekiga?! or make it parallel
installable
- gconf error in postinst: failed to parse default value `' for schema
(/schemas/apps/ekiga/contacts/roster_folded_groups
- gconf error on startup (happend twice then disappeared)
- popup on startup about network settings which need to be configured
manually; looks like it was an issue with either ufw or some vm stuff
I have installed, clearing iptables rules fixed it
- doesn't show v4l device name in setup wizard when listing audio and
video input devices
- doesn't select v4l device by default in setup wizard (prefers
defaulting to logo and MIC line of sound card on my desktop...)
- locking assertion failures on console in libxcb :-/
- icon is almost exactly the same as empathy in notification area
+ exits fast
- "Chat" menu to "Quit" is weird, probably not GNOME HIG compliant
- "Account" menu in Accounts window doesn't look like a menu (no
underscore); not easy to see where to add an account
- When actually using SIP: "Cannot copy from empty list to master RTP
session list" error
- window resizes itself to the old size whenever I try to resize it
- "FIXME" appears with no reference on stderr/stdout
- REGISTERs were sent twice because I had two local interfaces (one for
virtualbox); this was very confusing for the SIP registrars and
caused ekiga to think I wasn't registered when I really was (only the
second register was failing)
+ webcam display worked, despite being broken/unsupported in cheese

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Old 09-11-2008, 12:01 PM
Loïc Minier
 
Default ekiga tests on 20080901v01intrepid4

NB: tested with gspca webcam and ekiga.net and company's SIP accounts.

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Old 09-11-2008, 04:05 PM
yannick
 
Default ekiga tests on 20080901v01intrepid4

Hello,

I'm part of the Ekiga team.

Le jeudi 11 septembre 2008 à 13:51 +0200, Loïc Minier a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> I tested the ekiga-snapshot package from snapshots.ekiga.net in version
> 20080901v01intrepid4 and sadly didn't manage to do anything useful with
> them.
>
> these are my notes:
> - not parallel installable, conflicts with other packages (notably
> ekiga which is a dep of ubuntu-desktop) but uses "/usr/bin/ekiga";
> why not simply name the package ekiga?! or make it parallel
> installable

Well, I could indeed improve that... I do the packaging for Ubuntu.

> - gconf error in postinst: failed to parse default value `' for schema
> (/schemas/apps/ekiga/contacts/roster_folded_groups

This has been fixed. Try the new packages from today.

> - gconf error on startup (happend twice then disappeared)

This is something that might have been fixed, i'm not sure; anyway I
opened a bug report upstream about it:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=540050 please discuss it with
upstream.

> - popup on startup about network settings which need to be configured
> manually; looks like it was an issue with either ufw or some vm stuff
> I have installed, clearing iptables rules fixed it

Ekiga is not designed to bypass security unlike Skype... It should work
without any configuration most of the time.

If Ubuntu is kind enough to provide a proxy for VoIP, it could work all
the times... The same apply to Empathy using protocols like SIP.

> - doesn't show v4l device name in setup wizard when listing audio and
> video input devices

The V4L API is deprecated since *years* in the kernel. V4L2 is the
standard for Linux.

Still, some driver, like yours (gspca) did not upgraded to the new API.
This is mostly a packaging issue; installing the package
"libpt-2.3-plugins-v4l" provide V4L support.

But adding this support will pop up 2 choices for most webcams users:
V4L and V4L2, which doesn't mean anything for the average user...

Please report a bug against your driver which do not support the
standard for Linux.

> - doesn't select v4l device by default in setup wizard (prefers
> defaulting to logo and MIC line of sound card on my desktop...)

The above explain why...

> - locking assertion failures on console in libxcb :-/

Please try the latest package, or report the bug upstream.

> - icon is almost exactly the same as empathy in notification area

Well, we have those icons since something like early 2007 in our SVN...
They are easy to understand and based on traffic light. There is no copy
here.

> + exits fast
> - "Chat" menu to "Quit" is weird, probably not GNOME HIG compliant

It is compliant, see:
http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/menus-standard.html.en#the-file-menu
especially:
"If your application does not operate on documents, name this item for
the type of object it displays. For example, many games should have a
Game instead of a File menu. However, place the Quit menu item last on
this menu nonetheless."

> - "Account" menu in Accounts window doesn't look like a menu (no
> underscore); not easy to see where to add an account

This has been fixed, please test last package.

> - When actually using SIP: "Cannot copy from empty list to master RTP
> session list" error

I reported it here, and it is fixed:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=545366

Please try the new packages...

> - window resizes itself to the old size whenever I try to resize it

Hm... I don't know. Please try new packages and report upstream if the
bad behaviour is still here.

> - "FIXME" appears with no reference on stderr/stdout

Probably fixed as we will release in some days...

> - REGISTERs were sent twice because I had two local interfaces (one for
> virtualbox); this was very confusing for the SIP registrars and
> caused ekiga to think I wasn't registered when I really was (only the
> second register was failing)

I don't know this details much. Please test new packs and report
upstream if still current.

> + webcam display worked, despite being broken/unsupported in cheese
>

Weird, but good

Best regards,
Yannick

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Old 09-11-2008, 04:57 PM
yannick
 
Default ekiga tests on 20080901v01intrepid4

Hello,

[13:03] <lool> Also ekiga isn't built for lpia on ekiga.net AFAIK

Ekiga is built for LPIA on Hardy and Intrepid. Just use
http://snapshots.ekiga.net/

Best regards,
Yannick

Le jeudi 11 septembre 2008 à 18:05 +0200, yannick a écrit :
> Hello,
>
> I'm part of the Ekiga team.
>
> Le jeudi 11 septembre 2008 à 13:51 +0200, Loïc Minier a écrit :
> > Hi,
> >
> > I tested the ekiga-snapshot package from snapshots.ekiga.net in version
> > 20080901v01intrepid4 and sadly didn't manage to do anything useful with
> > them.
> >
> > these are my notes:
> > - not parallel installable, conflicts with other packages (notably
> > ekiga which is a dep of ubuntu-desktop) but uses "/usr/bin/ekiga";
> > why not simply name the package ekiga?! or make it parallel
> > installable
>
> Well, I could indeed improve that... I do the packaging for Ubuntu.
>
> > - gconf error in postinst: failed to parse default value `' for schema
> > (/schemas/apps/ekiga/contacts/roster_folded_groups
>
> This has been fixed. Try the new packages from today.
>
> > - gconf error on startup (happend twice then disappeared)
>
> This is something that might have been fixed, i'm not sure; anyway I
> opened a bug report upstream about it:
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=540050 please discuss it with
> upstream.
>
> > - popup on startup about network settings which need to be configured
> > manually; looks like it was an issue with either ufw or some vm stuff
> > I have installed, clearing iptables rules fixed it
>
> Ekiga is not designed to bypass security unlike Skype... It should work
> without any configuration most of the time.
>
> If Ubuntu is kind enough to provide a proxy for VoIP, it could work all
> the times... The same apply to Empathy using protocols like SIP.
>
> > - doesn't show v4l device name in setup wizard when listing audio and
> > video input devices
>
> The V4L API is deprecated since *years* in the kernel. V4L2 is the
> standard for Linux.
>
> Still, some driver, like yours (gspca) did not upgraded to the new API.
> This is mostly a packaging issue; installing the package
> "libpt-2.3-plugins-v4l" provide V4L support.
>
> But adding this support will pop up 2 choices for most webcams users:
> V4L and V4L2, which doesn't mean anything for the average user...
>
> Please report a bug against your driver which do not support the
> standard for Linux.
>
> > - doesn't select v4l device by default in setup wizard (prefers
> > defaulting to logo and MIC line of sound card on my desktop...)
>
> The above explain why...
>
> > - locking assertion failures on console in libxcb :-/
>
> Please try the latest package, or report the bug upstream.
>
> > - icon is almost exactly the same as empathy in notification area
>
> Well, we have those icons since something like early 2007 in our SVN...
> They are easy to understand and based on traffic light. There is no copy
> here.
>
> > + exits fast
> > - "Chat" menu to "Quit" is weird, probably not GNOME HIG compliant
>
> It is compliant, see:
> http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/menus-standard.html.en#the-file-menu
> especially:
> "If your application does not operate on documents, name this item for
> the type of object it displays. For example, many games should have a
> Game instead of a File menu. However, place the Quit menu item last on
> this menu nonetheless."
>
> > - "Account" menu in Accounts window doesn't look like a menu (no
> > underscore); not easy to see where to add an account
>
> This has been fixed, please test last package.
>
> > - When actually using SIP: "Cannot copy from empty list to master RTP
> > session list" error
>
> I reported it here, and it is fixed:
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=545366
>
> Please try the new packages...
>
> > - window resizes itself to the old size whenever I try to resize it
>
> Hm... I don't know. Please try new packages and report upstream if the
> bad behaviour is still here.
>
> > - "FIXME" appears with no reference on stderr/stdout
>
> Probably fixed as we will release in some days...
>
> > - REGISTERs were sent twice because I had two local interfaces (one for
> > virtualbox); this was very confusing for the SIP registrars and
> > caused ekiga to think I wasn't registered when I really was (only the
> > second register was failing)
>
> I don't know this details much. Please test new packs and report
> upstream if still current.
>
> > + webcam display worked, despite being broken/unsupported in cheese
> >
>
> Weird, but good
>
> Best regards,
> Yannick
>
> > --
> > Loïc Minier
> >
> --
> Me joindre en téléphonie IP / vidéoconférence ?
> sip:yannick@ekiga.net
> Logiciel de VoIP Ekiga : http://www.ekiga.org
> http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Which_programs_work_with_Ekiga_%3F
>
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Old 09-11-2008, 05:21 PM
Damien Sandras
 
Default ekiga tests on 20080901v01intrepid4

Hello,

Le jeudi 11 septembre 2008 à 18:05 +0200, yannick a écrit :
> Hello,
>
> I'm part of the Ekiga team.

Me too. I'll confirm a few points in Yannick's answers.

[...]

> > - gconf error on startup (happend twice then disappeared)
>
> This is something that might have been fixed, i'm not sure; anyway I
> opened a bug report upstream about it:
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=540050 please discuss it with
> upstream.

Well, it is not really a bug on our side. It is more an installation
bug. What happens is that Ekiga checks a gconf key for its value, and it
checks that the value it gets is what it expects to get. If it is not
the case, it means GConf schemas have been badly installed.

So make sure schemas are correctly installed and that GConf has reloaded
them and things will work without problems.

> > - popup on startup about network settings which need to be configured
> > manually; looks like it was an issue with either ufw or some vm stuff
> > I have installed, clearing iptables rules fixed it
>
> Ekiga is not designed to bypass security unlike Skype... It should work
> without any configuration most of the time.

No comment. Ekiga had the right behavior here.

> > - doesn't show v4l device name in setup wizard when listing audio and
> > video input devices
>

[...]

> Please report a bug against your driver which do not support the
> standard for Linux.

In 2.6.27 they have a brand new driver which uses libv4l (unpackaged on
Ubuntu and Debian). It works with our V4L2 plugin and we also have
support for libv4l which makes it work perfectly. libv4l actually takes
care of the color conversion between various formats for us.

[...]

>
> > - locking assertion failures on console in libxcb :-/
>
> Please try the latest package, or report the bug upstream.

We have not tested with libxcb.

> > - When actually using SIP: "Cannot copy from empty list to master RTP
> > session list" error
>
> I reported it here, and it is fixed:
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=545366


Notice that this specific error and the one you report about the wrong
video device and alsa device being selected indicates a messed up gconf
configuration. Default values seem to have been ignored. Can you double
check that ?

[...]

> > - REGISTERs were sent twice because I had two local interfaces (one for
> > virtualbox); this was very confusing for the SIP registrars and
> > caused ekiga to think I wasn't registered when I really was (only the
> > second register was failing)
>
> I don't know this details much. Please test new packs and report
> upstream if still current.

It is the way it is supposed to work. Ekiga now supports several
interfaces allowing you to connect to the VPN of the office at the same
time than you connect to the internet. I would need a debug log if you
think there is a bug here. But I think there is no bug on our side.
Perhaps you are testing with Asterisk which does not support SIP forking
(which is what we are doing to handle several interfaces at the same
time)

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Old 09-11-2008, 06:32 PM
Loïc Minier
 
Default ekiga tests on 20080901v01intrepid4

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008, yannick wrote:
> This has been fixed. Try the new packages from today.

Will do. Or I guess I should jhbuild my own to make sure I don't lag
WRT fixed bugs.

> > - popup on startup about network settings which need to be configured
> > manually; looks like it was an issue with either ufw or some vm stuff
> > I have installed, clearing iptables rules fixed it
> Ekiga is not designed to bypass security unlike Skype... It should work
> without any configuration most of the time.

I think ekiga should report what the actual issue; all I got was an
error about network problems. The link to the wiki is a good idea.

Concerning ufw, ekiga might need to ship an ufw config to open certain
ports. Concerning vm stuff, I reported later that what happened is
that Ekiga actually tried REGISTERing from two IP addresses
concurrently, I don't see how sending two REGISTERs can ever be a good
idea.

> If Ubuntu is kind enough to provide a proxy for VoIP, it could work all
> the times... The same apply to Empathy using protocols like SIP.

What do you mean by Ubuntu and a proxy? You mean a proxy on some
public servers in *.ubuntu.com? Not sure how it would help traversing
firewalls and routers.

> > - doesn't show v4l device name in setup wizard when listing audio and
> > video input devices
> The V4L API is deprecated since *years* in the kernel. V4L2 is the
> standard for Linux.
>
> Still, some driver, like yours (gspca) did not upgraded to the new API.
> This is mostly a packaging issue; installing the package
> "libpt-2.3-plugins-v4l" provide V4L support.

When I wrote "v4l" above, I was really thinking v4l2 as I didn't expect
that a driver which was just merged in the mainline would still use
v4l... but indeed I only installed libpt-2.3-plugins-v4l2 from ekiga's
snapshots. Bizarrely, I did get video in ekiga from the webcam.

> But adding this support will pop up 2 choices for most webcams users:
> V4L and V4L2, which doesn't mean anything for the average user...

I see.

> Please report a bug against your driver which do not support the
> standard for Linux.

Hmm it strikes that this should be already known since the driver was
just merged to mainline.

> > - locking assertion failures on console in libxcb :-/
> Please try the latest package, or report the bug upstream.

Well it was the latest this morning! Sure, I'll report the bug.

> > - icon is almost exactly the same as empathy in notification area
> Well, we have those icons since something like early 2007 in our SVN...
> They are easy to understand and based on traffic light. There is no copy
> here.

It might been in your SVN for so long, it's not what's used in the
current version of the Ubuntu ekiga packages, and I could until now
distinguish ekiga from gossip / empathy. :-/

> > - "Chat" menu to "Quit" is weird, probably not GNOME HIG compliant
> It is compliant, see:
> http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/menus-standard.html.en#the-file-menu
> especially:
> "If your application does not operate on documents, name this item for
> the type of object it displays. For example, many games should have a
> Game instead of a File menu. However, place the Quit menu item last on
> this menu nonetheless."

The Game example makes sense to me, but I still feel disturbed by Chat
> Quit, especially since I don't use ekiga for "chat" but really for
"calls" or "conferences", but I understand why you settled for Chat and
put Quit in there. Still feels kind of weird to me. :-/

> > - "Account" menu in Accounts window doesn't look like a menu (no
> > underscore); not easy to see where to add an account
> This has been fixed, please test last package.

(it was the last one when I tried ;-)

But I'll give it another shot.

> > - When actually using SIP: "Cannot copy from empty list to master RTP
> > session list" error
> I reported it here, and it is fixed:
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=545366
> Please try the new packages...

Same remark...

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Old 09-11-2008, 06:32 PM
Loïc Minier
 
Default ekiga tests on 20080901v01intrepid4

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008, yannick wrote:
> Hello,
>
> [13:03] <lool> Also ekiga isn't built for lpia on ekiga.net AFAIK
>
> Ekiga is built for LPIA on Hardy and Intrepid. Just use
> http://snapshots.ekiga.net/

Argh my bad, I typed snapshot. insteaf of snapshots. in my lpia test
and thought it was missing lpia.

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Old 09-11-2008, 06:41 PM
Loïc Minier
 
Default ekiga tests on 20080901v01intrepid4

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008, Damien Sandras wrote:
> > Please report a bug against your driver which do not support the
> > standard for Linux.
> In 2.6.27 they have a brand new driver which uses libv4l (unpackaged on
> Ubuntu and Debian). It works with our V4L2 plugin and we also have
> support for libv4l which makes it work perfectly. libv4l actually takes
> care of the color conversion between various formats for us.

Ah that might be why it works despite me installing only the v4l2
plugin.

To clarify, the problems I saw with this webcam were that:
- the name of the device wasn't shown in the setup's dropdown instead I
saw USB:blahblah; the device was detected as being usable, just not
named properly
- it wasn't selected by default

> > > - locking assertion failures on console in libxcb :-/
> > Please try the latest package, or report the bug upstream.
> We have not tested with libxcb.

The current Ubuntu version doesn't suffer from this bug at least.

It seems like a race as it doesn't happen all the time; I suspect it's
triggerred by popups coming on startup from a different thread, or
something along these lines. I'll post the backtrace which is sent to
stderr if it happens to me again.

Of course when this happens the UI is stuck.

> Notice that this specific error and the one you report about the wrong
> video device and alsa device being selected indicates a messed up gconf
> configuration. Default values seem to have been ignored. Can you double
> check that ?

I guess I'll start afresh, resetting GConf settings and all; I know
being backwards and forwards compatible with GConf settings is hard
:-/

> > > - REGISTERs were sent twice because I had two local interfaces (one for
> > > virtualbox); this was very confusing for the SIP registrars and
> > > caused ekiga to think I wasn't registered when I really was (only the
> > > second register was failing)
> It is the way it is supposed to work. Ekiga now supports several
> interfaces allowing you to connect to the VPN of the office at the same
> time than you connect to the internet. I would need a debug log if you
> think there is a bug here. But I think there is no bug on our side.
> Perhaps you are testing with Asterisk which does not support SIP forking
> (which is what we are doing to handle several interfaces at the same
> time)

I was testing against both ekiga.net and an asterisk company SIP
server.

I think you should simply use the default interface for a server, not
send one REGISTER per possible source IP address. If one wants voip to
go via the VPN, DNS should be setup as such or traffic should be routed
as such; ekiga shouldn't second guess the routing tables IMO. But
perhaps I misunderstand what ekiga is doing.

On my host I had two IPs in 192.168; one 0.101 on eth0 and one 12.42 on
vnet0; all applications on my host use eth0 because it allows
contacting the default gateway and hence use 192.168.0.101. For some
reason SIP REGISTERs were going out via eth0 from .0.101 and .12.42.

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Old 09-11-2008, 08:31 PM
yannick
 
Default ekiga tests on 20080901v01intrepid4

Le jeudi 11 septembre 2008 à 20:32 +0200, Loïc Minier a écrit :
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008, yannick wrote:
> > This has been fixed. Try the new packages from today.
>
> Will do. Or I guess I should jhbuild my own to make sure I don't lag
> WRT fixed bugs.

Ekiga is a small team of volunteer. I took the responsibility to provide
Ubuntu packages, but computers is not my business: I'm teacher in a
french primary school. I built new packs last night on my spare time and
could only upload them this evening when coming back from work. One of
our dev reworked the build process and I had to adapt to this huge
change. Unfortunately it took more time than i hoped. Now, I hope to be
able to update the packs almost daily. (and i plan to add Gutsy this
evening, including LPAI+H264 codec). This also explain why the packages
are not polished as they could be. I'm working on several parts of the
ekiga project...

>
> > > - popup on startup about network settings which need to be configured
> > > manually; looks like it was an issue with either ufw or some vm stuff
> > > I have installed, clearing iptables rules fixed it
> > Ekiga is not designed to bypass security unlike Skype... It should work
> > without any configuration most of the time.
>
> I think ekiga should report what the actual issue; all I got was an
> error about network problems. The link to the wiki is a good idea.
>

I let Damien answer to this.

> Concerning ufw, ekiga might need to ship an ufw config to open certain
> ports. Concerning vm stuff, I reported later that what happened is
> that Ekiga actually tried REGISTERing from two IP addresses
> concurrently, I don't see how sending two REGISTERs can ever be a good
> idea.

I was not aware an Ubuntu package could open some ports of ufw. This is
something I will dig out

I let Damien answer for the 2 REGISTERs as it is his code.
>
> > If Ubuntu is kind enough to provide a proxy for VoIP, it could work all
> > the times... The same apply to Empathy using protocols like SIP.
>
> What do you mean by Ubuntu and a proxy? You mean a proxy on some
> public servers in *.ubuntu.com? Not sure how it would help traversing
> firewalls and routers.

e.g. Jabber protocol use a central server which act as a proxy, MSN
network do the same, etc.

The point is there is several type of NATs, and some of them (symmetric
ones) are impossible to reach if you do not have your own public IP. A
proxy on the internet solve this issue. Technically this technic is
named TURN in the IETF work, see here for more details:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traversal_Using_Relay_NAT

I was referring to a TURN server which might be provided by Ubuntu. This
will mean any SIP client implementing ICE (which include TURN and STUN)
will be able to work all the time.

>
> > > - doesn't show v4l device name in setup wizard when listing audio and
> > > video input devices
> > The V4L API is deprecated since *years* in the kernel. V4L2 is the
> > standard for Linux.
> >
> > Still, some driver, like yours (gspca) did not upgraded to the new API.
> > This is mostly a packaging issue; installing the package
> > "libpt-2.3-plugins-v4l" provide V4L support.
>
> When I wrote "v4l" above, I was really thinking v4l2 as I didn't expect
> that a driver which was just merged in the mainline would still use
> v4l... but indeed I only installed libpt-2.3-plugins-v4l2 from ekiga's
> snapshots. Bizarrely, I did get video in ekiga from the webcam.
>

I wonder if there is some compatibility library in between V4l and V4L2
in ubuntu. Not sure...

> > But adding this support will pop up 2 choices for most webcams users:
> > V4L and V4L2, which doesn't mean anything for the average user...
>
> I see.
>
> > Please report a bug against your driver which do not support the
> > standard for Linux.
>
> Hmm it strikes that this should be already known since the driver was
> just merged to mainline.

Webcam is one of the nightmare of Linux users, e.g.:
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/97/ is #11 most popular ideas ever...

>
> > > - locking assertion failures on console in libxcb :-/
> > Please try the latest package, or report the bug upstream.
>
> Well it was the latest this morning! Sure, I'll report the bug.

I wish I had more time for Ekiga... Thank you!

>
> > > - icon is almost exactly the same as empathy in notification area
> > Well, we have those icons since something like early 2007 in our SVN...
> > They are easy to understand and based on traffic light. There is no copy
> > here.
>
> It might been in your SVN for so long, it's not what's used in the
> current version of the Ubuntu ekiga packages, and I could until now
> distinguish ekiga from gossip / empathy. :-/

Well, Ubuntu used its own set of icon for Ekiga. Nothing prevent to
change the new icons in Ubuntu, and maybe propose it to upstream?

If we consider the question deeply, I personally do think dedicated
clients to one protocol like Gossip or Ekiga is the right way to go.
Empathy brings compatibility to the GNU/Linux desktop at the price of
reducing a rich feature set to a small set of one to one feature.

I hope one day, one standard will win, no matter if it is SIP, or XMPP,
or some mix of them. Several protocols for the same type of feature is
just bad and hurts usability deeply. The future of SIP, or XMPP, is some
kind of desktop and internet/mobile integrated groupware.

Having a distinguish set of icon for each application is just a
workaround for a need that cannot really get its satisfaction.

Please consider the real potential of SIP or XMPP and help bring those
rich features integrated in the desktop. I do believe this will be a
greater help in the long run.

>
> > > - "Chat" menu to "Quit" is weird, probably not GNOME HIG compliant
> > It is compliant, see:
> > http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/menus-standard.html.en#the-file-menu
> > especially:
> > "If your application does not operate on documents, name this item for
> > the type of object it displays. For example, many games should have a
> > Game instead of a File menu. However, place the Quit menu item last on
> > this menu nonetheless."
>
> The Game example makes sense to me, but I still feel disturbed by Chat
> > Quit, especially since I don't use ekiga for "chat" but really for
> "calls" or "conferences", but I understand why you settled for Chat and
> put Quit in there. Still feels kind of weird to me. :-/

Ekiga 3.0 aims to provide audio calls, video calls or text conversation
with presence support. You should consider SIP for what it is: a
protocol for rich instant communication using several medias (text,
audio and video). SIP aims to do the same features as XMPP.

"Chat" seems the appropriate word for what ekiga 3.0 will be able to do.
"Call" do not sounds right for text messages.

It is an artificial definition to try to separate XMPP client like
gossip for "chat" and SIP client like EKiga for "Call".

The issue is we have several protocols aiming the same set of feature,
because there is only one need: to chat with contacts, using several
ways: text, audio and video (and maybe even more in the future...).

Best regards,
Yannick

>
> > > - "Account" menu in Accounts window doesn't look like a menu (no
> > > underscore); not easy to see where to add an account
> > This has been fixed, please test last package.
>
> (it was the last one when I tried ;-)
>
> But I'll give it another shot.
>
> > > - When actually using SIP: "Cannot copy from empty list to master RTP
> > > session list" error
> > I reported it here, and it is fixed:
> > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=545366
> > Please try the new packages...
>
> Same remark...
>
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Old 09-11-2008, 09:10 PM
Damien Sandras
 
Default ekiga tests on 20080901v01intrepid4

Le jeudi 11 septembre 2008 à 20:41 +0200, Loïc Minier a écrit :
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008, Damien Sandras wrote:
> > > Please report a bug against your driver which do not support the
> > > standard for Linux.
> > In 2.6.27 they have a brand new driver which uses libv4l (unpackaged on
> > Ubuntu and Debian). It works with our V4L2 plugin and we also have
> > support for libv4l which makes it work perfectly. libv4l actually takes
> > care of the color conversion between various formats for us.
>
> Ah that might be why it works despite me installing only the v4l2
> plugin.
>
> To clarify, the problems I saw with this webcam were that:
> - the name of the device wasn't shown in the setup's dropdown instead I
> saw USB:blahblah; the device was detected as being usable, just not
> named properly
> - it wasn't selected by default

Notice the name comes from the driver...

>
> > > > - locking assertion failures on console in libxcb :-/
> > > Please try the latest package, or report the bug upstream.
> > We have not tested with libxcb.
>
> The current Ubuntu version doesn't suffer from this bug at least.
>
> It seems like a race as it doesn't happen all the time; I suspect it's
> triggerred by popups coming on startup from a different thread, or
> something along these lines. I'll post the backtrace which is sent to
> stderr if it happens to me again.
>

If they are due to NAT errors, that is indeed one thing we fixed last
week. The window does not come from a thread anymore.

[...]

> I was testing against both ekiga.net and an asterisk company SIP
> server.
>
> I think you should simply use the default interface for a server, not
> send one REGISTER per possible source IP address. If one wants voip to
> go via the VPN, DNS should be setup as such or traffic should be routed
> as such; ekiga shouldn't second guess the routing tables IMO. But
> perhaps I misunderstand what ekiga is doing.
>
> On my host I had two IPs in 192.168; one 0.101 on eth0 and one 12.42 on
> vnet0; all applications on my host use eth0 because it allows
> contacting the default gateway and hence use 192.168.0.101. For some
> reason SIP REGISTERs were going out via eth0 from .0.101 and .12.42.

One REGISTER should have gone out via eth0 and one via vnet0. If one of
them fails, it is not a problem, Ekiga handles it transparently. This is
the only safe way to handle multiple interfaces, and it is how SIP was
designed.
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