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Hi all,

Recently I've been wondering what should happen to
ubuntu-motu-mentors@lists.ubuntu.com The list was never very high
volume, but recently it has seen almost no activity. Attached is a
histogram of mailinglist volume over time for ubuntu-motu-mentors. It
seems that many Ubuntu Developers don't even know that it still exists
anymore. This leads to a very poor experience for those aspiring
developers that do find their way there. Questions go unanswered for
long periods of time or forgotten all together.

I know that there will be some discussion on developer mentoring at
UDS. [1] Unless a specific plan emerges to revive the
ubuntu-motu-mentors list, I propose that we ask to have
ubuntu-motu-mentors redirect permanently to the regular ubuntu-motu
list. The latter has more subscribers so will more likely provide a
better experience for potential developers. It has also been fairly
low volume recently [2], so I don't think the combined volume will be
a problem for subscribers.

Thoughts?

[1] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-dev-advisory-team
[2] http://andrewsomething.wordpress.com/2011/10/09/fun-with-graphs/

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Hello,

Am 03.11.2011 21:56, schrieb Andrew Starr-Bochicchio:
> Unless a specific plan emerges to revive the
> ubuntu-motu-mentors list, I propose that we ask to have
> ubuntu-motu-mentors redirect permanently to the regular ubuntu-motu
> list.

No objections.

For the procedure, I don't know if it's actually possible to "redirect"
a mailing list to another. Unless somebody knows how to do this, I would
propose to:

- add more moderators/admins to both lists,
- turn the mentors list into emergency mode,
- subscribe readers of the mentors list to the motu list (if they don't
do it already),
- bounce the few incoming mails from mentors to motu if necessary.

The 'mentors' list could be closed completely (IIRC), but then we
wouldn't have the archives any more.

Any mailing list experts who can comment on this? (If you're interest in
becoming moderator/admin of the two lists, please mail me back privately.)

Have a great day,
Daniel

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On Nov 07, 2011, at 03:05 PM, Daniel Holbach wrote:

>For the procedure, I don't know if it's actually possible to "redirect"
>a mailing list to another.

It can be done, but it will take someone with shell access to the mail server
to set it up correctly. I'm happy to help work with the admins on that, but I
guess an RT request needs to be filed first. Daniel, perhaps you can drive
that?

-Barry

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Hello Barry,

Am 07.11.2011 16:01, schrieb Barry Warsaw:
> On Nov 07, 2011, at 03:05 PM, Daniel Holbach wrote:
>
>> For the procedure, I don't know if it's actually possible to "redirect"
>> a mailing list to another.
>
> It can be done, but it will take someone with shell access to the mail server
> to set it up correctly. I'm happy to help work with the admins on that, but I
> guess an RT request needs to be filed first. Daniel, perhaps you can drive
> that?

Thanks a bunch for the heads-up. Let's wait for a few more days to see
if there are objections, otherwise I'm happy to drive it (with your help).

(The call for moderation/admin help is still out there. :-))

Have a great day,
Daniel

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Hello,

Am 07.11.2011 16:05, schrieb Daniel Holbach:
> Am 07.11.2011 16:01, schrieb Barry Warsaw:
>> On Nov 07, 2011, at 03:05 PM, Daniel Holbach wrote:
>>
>>> For the procedure, I don't know if it's actually possible to "redirect"
>>> a mailing list to another.
>>
>> It can be done, but it will take someone with shell access to the mail server
>> to set it up correctly. I'm happy to help work with the admins on that, but I
>> guess an RT request needs to be filed first. Daniel, perhaps you can drive
>> that?
>
> Thanks a bunch for the heads-up. Let's wait for a few more days to see
> if there are objections, otherwise I'm happy to drive it (with your help).
>
> (The call for moderation/admin help is still out there. :-))

I'll go ahead with filing the RT ticket now.

Have a great day,
Daniel

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On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 5:11 AM, Daniel Holbach
<daniel.holbach@ubuntu.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Am 07.11.2011 16:05, schrieb Daniel Holbach:
>> Am 07.11.2011 16:01, schrieb Barry Warsaw:
>>> On Nov 07, 2011, at 03:05 PM, Daniel Holbach wrote:
>>>
>>>> For the procedure, I don't know if it's actually possible to "redirect"
>>>> a mailing list to another.
>>>
>>> It can be done, but it will take someone with shell access to the mail server
>>> to set it up correctly. *I'm happy to help work with the admins on that, but I
>>> guess an RT request needs to be filed first. *Daniel, perhaps you can drive
>>> that?
>>
>> Thanks a bunch for the heads-up. Let's wait for a few more days to see
>> if there are objections, otherwise I'm happy to drive it (with your help).
>>
>> (The call for moderation/admin help is still out there. :-))
>
> I'll go ahead with filing the RT ticket now.

Let us know how that goes.

I just did a search through the wiki for mentions that will need to be
changed/removed. Here's what I've found:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring/Mentor
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/FAQ
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperCommunication
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring/Junior_Contributor
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu

I'll fix these when the change is live. The whole MOTU/Mentoring
namespace could probably use a major clean up. I don't think that the
scheme described is functioning at all. Does anyone know if anyone
even has access to motu-mentoring-reception@reponses.net (CCed)?
Digging around, it sounds like this was discussed a bit at UDS. The
"Developer Advisory Team" blue print has a "update Wiki to remove
traces of "mentoring programme"" work item. [1] Let me know if I can
help.

[1] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-dev-advisory-team

Thanks!

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