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Old 02-07-2008, 08:18 AM
Sarah Hobbs
 
Default Please think before you send bugs to Debian

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Daniel Holbach wrote:
> Sarah Hobbs schrieb:
>> This worries me. We apparently have various people who don't think
>> before sending changes, yet have direct upload access to most of the
>> archive. Is having a note in the wiki really going to suffice?
>
> Everybody has done a mistake in the past - including you. I really don't
> like that you assume that people did not employ thought.

Come now. I was merely raising the question as to whether a note in the
wiki (which a lot of people (especially established MOTU's) don't read,
as it's still being rearranged, is the most useful way of conveying this
information.

That being said, the reason why I didn't suggest something else was that
I hadn't come up with a better way of conveying the information to
everyone. Clearly, not eloquently enough. I wasn't suggesting
throwing people out, etc - if I *was* suggesting such a thing, then I
would have come out and said that.

Take it, or leave it, as you wish - but please don't jump down my throat
for something that I did not say. That is not fair.

Hobbsee
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Old 02-07-2008, 08:54 AM
Daniel Holbach
 
Default Please think before you send bugs to Debian

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Hello Sarah,

I did not mean to tell you off, but express my confidence in all the
members of the MOTU team.

Sarah Hobbs schrieb:
> Come now. I was merely raising the question as to whether a note in the
> wiki (which a lot of people (especially established MOTU's) don't read,
> as it's still being rearranged, is the most useful way of conveying this
> information.
>
> That being said, the reason why I didn't suggest something else was that
> I hadn't come up with a better way of conveying the information to
> everyone. Clearly, not eloquently enough. I wasn't suggesting
> throwing people out, etc - if I *was* suggesting such a thing, then I
> would have come out and said that.
>
> Take it, or leave it, as you wish - but please don't jump down my throat
> for something that I did not say. That is not fair.

"We apparently have various people who don't think before sending
changes" is the sentence that irked me. For my taste it draws a much too
negative picture of the team.

I agree that this is an important issue and that we should try to come
up with solutions to fix it.

Here's what I just did:
- asked Alexander Sack to add the list of ice* packages to
UbuntuPackagingChanges and add some explanation to it
- referenced UbuntuPackagingChanges from more wiki pages
(UbuntuDevelopment/Merging, UbuntuDevelopment/KnowledgeBase, ,
Bugs/ReportingToDebian)
- wrote an small note on how to use submittodebian on
Bugs/ReportingToDebian
- I'll also write James Westby to ask if he plans to add some words
about this to his "Working with Debian" session

What else could we improve?

Have a nice day,
Daniel
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Old 02-07-2008, 12:59 PM
Scott Kitterman
 
Default Please think before you send bugs to Debian

On Thursday 07 February 2008 02:37, Daniel Holbach wrote:
> Scott Kitterman schrieb:
> > Go for it. Since the reorganization, I can never tell where things
> > should go.
>
> Where would you have put it before?
>
> What about doing a title search for Debian?
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/ReportingToDebian seems to stand out to me
> as a good place.
>

Agreed. In that case I think it would have been easy enough to understand.
In general, I'm sufficiently lost about the new structure that I'm not at all
confident about adding things. I still end up getting to most wiki pages I
need by hitting the forwards from the old pages.

Which reminds me ...

The forward from the old MOTU/SRU page to the new one needs updating. It
forwards to a #universe anchor that no longer exists. I know. It's a wiki,
but I've no idea about how one changes that.

I'll get it sorted out eventually (probably after I get a new computer so the
old URL's aren't in my browser history any more).

Scott K

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Old 02-07-2008, 01:36 PM
Daniel Holbach
 
Default Please think before you send bugs to Debian

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Scott Kitterman schrieb:
> The forward from the old MOTU/SRU page to the new one needs updating. It
> forwards to a #universe anchor that no longer exists. I know. It's a wiki,

Fixed it. It's
#REDIRECT PageTitle
now.

Before it was the rather horrible
#REFRESH 2 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PageTitle#SomeAnchor
which is not as easy to edit, but the only way I know to to redirect to
an anchor of another page.

Have a nice day,
Daniel
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