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Hi folks,

first off, it's great to have a team to grant ubuntu-membership to prospective
MOTU's.

However I have the feeling, that we create the impression, that being a member
of this team is more than just what it is, which is at the moment to
indirectly be in the group of ubuntu-members.

Imho, that gives a wrong perspective for members of that team, and we should
fix this.

What do you think?

Cheers,
Stefan
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Stefan Potyra wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> first off, it's great to have a team to grant ubuntu-membership to prospective
> MOTU's.
>
> However I have the feeling, that we create the impression, that being a member
> of this team is more than just what it is, which is at the moment to
> indirectly be in the group of ubuntu-members.
>
> Imho, that gives a wrong perspective for members of that team, and we should
> fix this.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Cheers,
> Stefan
>
I agree with Stefan. In my opinion, the description on the
UbuntuDevelopers wiki page [1], gives the impression that Ubuntu
Contributing Developers (which is what I assume Stefan is talking about)
are more like MOTUs than Ubuntu members. I think this description should
be reworded. An Ubuntu Contributing Developer is simply an Ubuntu
member, but the membership is granted by the MOTU Council instead of
regional membership councils. They have the same privileges as Ubuntu
members.

Nathan

[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers#ContribDev
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On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 11:07:00PM +0200, Stefan Potyra wrote:
> first off, it's great to have a team to grant ubuntu-membership to
> prospective MOTU's.
>
> However I have the feeling, that we create the impression, that being
> a member of this team is more than just what it is, which is at the
> moment to indirectly be in the group of ubuntu-members.
>
> Imho, that gives a wrong perspective for members of that team, and we
> should fix this.

I'm not sure what you mean? What exactly is you think people expect to
achieve by becoming a member of universe-contributors, but don't?

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Hi,

On Saturday 05 July 2008 21:10:11 Soren Hansen wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 11:07:00PM +0200, Stefan Potyra wrote:
> > first off, it's great to have a team to grant ubuntu-membership to
> > prospective MOTU's.
> >
> > However I have the feeling, that we create the impression, that being
> > a member of this team is more than just what it is, which is at the
> > moment to indirectly be in the group of ubuntu-members.
> >
> > Imho, that gives a wrong perspective for members of that team, and we
> > should fix this.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean? What exactly is you think people expect to
> achieve by becoming a member of universe-contributors, but don't?

I believe that there is expectation to have additional privileges apart from
plain ubuntu-membership when being accepted as a universe-contributor. As
Nathan already pointed out, this is partly reflected in the wiki page, and I'd
like to add that the team description [1] is also a bit misleading. Currently,
I have the feeling that we've just added another step in the process of
becoming MOTU (and hence prolonged that procedure) even though it doesn't
grant practical benefits to be a member of universe-contributors.

Now the question however is how to fix this:
a) to make it clear that universe-contributors is just ubuntu membership on
behalf of MOTU activity

or

b) to actually hand out additional privileges, ranging from being able to
triage bugs to being able to upload a set of packages (as soon as LP can do
this). IIRC there were some good ideas back during the initial discussion
about universe-contributors, might eventually make sense to revisit these.

Cheers,
Stefan.
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On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 03:05:55PM +0200, Stefan Potyra wrote:
>> I'm not sure what you mean? What exactly is you think people expect
>> to achieve by becoming a member of universe-contributors, but don't?
> I believe that there is expectation to have additional privileges
> apart from plain ubuntu-membership when being accepted as a
> universe-contributor.
>
> As Nathan already pointed out, this is partly reflected in the wiki
> page, and I'd like to add that the team description [1] is also a bit
> misleading.

Hmm... Yes, there does indeed seem to be a bit of a dichotomy here.
Thanks for bringing this up!

> Now the question however is how to fix this:
>
> b) to actually hand out additional privileges, ranging from being able to
> triage bugs to being able to upload a set of packages (as soon as LP can do
> this). IIRC there were some good ideas back during the initial discussion
> about universe-contributors, might eventually make sense to revisit these.

I think this is the right approach. Perhaps a good start would be to
move (at least some of) the branches belonging to ubuntu-dev to be owned
by universe-contributors. However, it seems that this would effectively
revoke ubuntu-core-dev's access to said branches since MOTU (not
ubuntu-dev) is a member of universe-contributors. I wonder if this is
intentional?


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I agree with Soren in that I prefer approach b), and I also think that
ubuntu-universe-contributors should be something more than just plain
membership, which does not necessarily mean that they need to become
more privileges, but I see it as a way to say "this person has been
doing good work on the packaging front" (so on the MOTU side it means
more than just membership through a regional council, as it implies
not only a significant contribution to Ubuntu, but that this
contribution has a significant part which is related to packages).

I don't know if thisreally makes sense, but well, it's just my 5 cent :).

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On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Stefan Potyra <sistpoty@ubuntu.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> b) to actually hand out additional privileges, ranging from being able to
> triage bugs to being able to upload a set of packages (as soon as LP can do
> this). IIRC there were some good ideas back during the initial discussion
> about universe-contributors, might eventually make sense to revisit these.

And open a "galaxy" repository, and change u-u-c to Masters of the
Galaxy or something like that?

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2008/7/8 Nicolas Valcarcel <nvalcarcel@ubuntu-pe.org>:

On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Stefan Potyra <sistpoty@ubuntu.com> wrote:

> Hi,

>
> b) to actually hand out additional privileges, ranging from being able to
> triage bugs to being able to upload a set of packages (as soon as LP can do
> this). IIRC there were some good ideas back during the initial discussion

> about universe-contributors, might eventually make sense to revisit these.

And open a "galaxy" repository, and change u-u-c to Masters of the
Galaxy or something like that?
*
But then you would have the problem of deciding which packages go into 'Galaxy'. If it is just a select group of packages then it is unlikely you will be able to cater for every u-u-c (KDE people probably wont want to touch too many gnome packages and vice versa).

*
I agree that u-u-c's should get more priveleges than plain Ubuntu members as from what*I can see from IRC logs/mailing list archives, it is much easier to get plain membership than u-u-c status.
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David Futcher wrote:
> I agree that u-u-c's should get more priveleges than plain Ubuntu members as
> from what I can see from IRC logs/mailing list archives, it is much easier
> to get plain membership than u-u-c status.

It shouldn't be especially harder to get membership through u-u-c
than through any other method. In any of these cases, the applicant
needs to demonstrate both significant and sustained effort working
within some (or multiple) areas of the community. One factor that may
make u-u-c appear more difficult is that typically only one's
contributions within the development community are reviewed, rather
than contributions also in other areas. That said, it probably takes
longer between application and the granting of membership for u-u-c,
but that's in part due to the different process used.

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